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Sophistic Radiance said: He's a reactionary freak. Trump himself is a moderate, it's true, but he has made his fame playing a character for the media, catering to the lowest common denominator he can identify. The platform that he has fashioned according to that philosophy, and the movement that has coalesced around him, is a rightward lurch into fringe territory for the Republican party.
Since when is lgbt rights and equality for all "fringe territory"?
LGBT rights 
Republicans have done nothing but obstruct, and Donald Trump is no different... abusing the rights of one minority (Muslims) does nothing to protect those of another (gay and trans people), so don't try to pass right-wing Islamophobia off for pro-LGBT. The Republicans are all about "religious freedom" aka legalized homophobia and "bathroom bills" aka legalized transphobia. Donald Trump has voiced support for both of these efforts to curtail protections for LGBT rights. When the Republicans stop supporting these bills, they will be neutral on LGBT rights, but in the meantime they are decidedly against.
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Re: Religion of Peace Strikes again [Re: Moonshoe]
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Moonshoe said: Gay activists And media personality Milo Ynnapolis claims on his most recent appearance on the JRE that Donald Trump is the most pro gay candidate in political history or something.
Not sure why.
Ah, I see, so I've been reading up on why, and I guess he has viewpoints kind of similar to mine. He views Republicans as the real ally of LGBT communities, because they don't support the influx of Islam: http://www.towleroad.com/2016/07/gays-for-trump/
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In the aftermath of a shooting in Orlando at a gay nightclub by a follower of Islamic extremism, Yiannopoulos said while the left once supported gay people, that’s “no longer the case.”
“Growing up gay wasn’t that f[**]king bad, let’s be honest,” Yiannopoulos said. “But I still don’t see the reason why the left-wing press mollycoddles and panders to an ideology that wants me dead.”
He's exaggerating a little bit about how welcoming the USA is to Muslim refugees though. America has only taken in less than 10,000 Syrian refugees, which is almost nothing compared to the rest of the world. Afghanistan and Chad have actually taken in the most refugees out of any other country, much more than Germany or Holland or Scandinavia. 10,000 refugees would easily be able to assimilate in a population of 300 million.
I definitely wouldn't go so far as to say that Republicans are the ally of LGBT communities however, they consistently vote against things that are good for women and LGBT.
This is really quite bad though, if the left has disenfranchised women and LGBT people so much, that they are resorting to voting for far-right candidates in order to maintain a modicum of protection for their affiliated groups. I could never vote for Trump simply because I agree with him on one thing, but disagree with him on pretty much everything else, and I see him for the scam artist and shit businessman that he is.
But I do agree with Milo Ynnapolis, that we should be combating this religious ideology in entirety, and not defending it or supporting it.
Just because it's the religion of a racial and ethnic minority doesn't mean it's a good fucking idea to be supporting or protecting it. Criticize all bad ideas.
This joke though.... utterly savage
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"A jihadi walks into a gay bar. Bartender asks what he wants. He says 'shots for everyone.'"
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Re: Religion of Peace Strikes again [Re: Crystal G]
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Just one of many examples of him addressing the issue
Sorry, he's on your side
Me? I could give a shit less if someone don't wanna participate in your wedding, people, for any reason at all including religion, shouldn't be FORCED to do things, that's called slavery, IMO
And why the fuck you wanna give your money to a gay hater anyway?
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Just one of many examples of him addressing the issue
Sorry, he's on your side
Me? I could give a shit less if someone don't wanna participate in your wedding, people, for any reason at all including religion, shouldn't be FORCED to do things, that's called slavery, IMO
And why the fuck you wanna give your money to a gay hater anyway?
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Sophistic Radiance said: He's a reactionary freak. Trump himself is a moderate, it's true, but he has made his fame playing a character for the media, catering to the lowest common denominator he can identify. The platform that he has fashioned according to that philosophy, and the movement that has coalesced around him, is a rightward lurch into fringe territory for the Republican party.
Since when is lgbt rights and equality for all "fringe territory"?
LGBT rights 
Republicans have done nothing but obstruct, and Donald Trump is no different... abusing the rights of one minority (Muslims) does nothing to protect those of another (gay and trans people), so don't try to pass right-wing Islamophobia off for pro-LGBT. The Republicans are all about "religious freedom" aka legalized homophobia and "bathroom bills" aka legalized transphobia. Donald Trump has voiced support for both of these efforts to curtail protections for LGBT rights. When the Republicans stop supporting these bills, they will be neutral on LGBT rights, but in the meantime they are decidedly against.
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You're a broken record, and Trump does NOT follow the republican platform. Why do you think he is so despise by GOP? It's not becuase of his fiscal policy
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hostileuniverse said: Me? I could give a shit less if someone don't wanna participate in your wedding, people, for any reason at all including religion, shouldn't be FORCED to do things, that's called slavery, IMO
When have gays ever proposed forced attendance to their wedding?
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hostileuniverse said: You're a broken record, and Trump does NOT follow the republican platform. Why do you think he is so despise by GOP? It's not becuase of his fiscal policy
He's pro-HB2. That's all I need to know
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Re: Religion of Peace Strikes again [Re: Crystal G]
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I never said attend,
And why the fuck you wann give someone money who hates you? No gays have yet to answer this one, personally, I'd rather know who the bigots(democrats) are,
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hostileuniverse said: You're a broken record, and Trump does NOT follow the republican platform. Why do you think he is so despise by GOP? It's not becuase of his fiscal policy
He's pro-HB2. That's all I need to know
If that's your single issue, then it's pretty petty, IMO
If you're trans, a real trans, not just a Pervy old man, you have nothing to worry about, personally, I'm gonna side with the rights of women and children over pervy old men, just saying
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I suppose you'd like to know why I'd want to use a bathroom with somebody who hates me, too
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Sophistic Radiance said: I suppose you'd like to know why I'd want to use a bathroom with somebody who hates me, too
Uh no, I have no idea what you are, but if you're a real trans, you can keep on keeping on, I'm sure you "look" the part, it's the pervy old men who Arnt allowed,
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hostileuniverse said: Uh no, I have no idea what you are, but if you're a real trans, you can keep on keeping on, I'm sure you "look" the part, it's the pervy old men who Arnt allowed,
Plenty of genuine trans people don't "pass" for the gender they're trying to be. Some really look the part and look like men or other women, and others it is very obvious they are still, or were once, men or women.
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hostileuniverse said: You're a broken record, and Trump does NOT follow the republican platform. Why do you think he is so despise by GOP? It's not becuase of his fiscal policy
He's pro-HB2. That's all I need to know
If that's your single issue, then it's pretty petty, IMO
It's not my single issue. What upsets me about Trump is the scapegoating and demonizing of both legal and illegal immigrants, the obvious collusion with Neo-Nazi and white-supremacist movements and ideologies, the pandering. More things than I would care to mention here TBH. His support for HB2 just goes to show you that his supposed support for the LGBT community in the wake of the Pulse shooting is a cynical show for the cameras.
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If you're trans, a real trans, not just a Pervy old man, you have nothing to worry about, personally, I'm gonna side with the rights of women and children over pervy old men, just saying
I have nothing to worry about, but that's not because I'm a "real" trans. It's because I'm fortunate enough to be able to pass for a biological female and don't usually have my gender questioned by people in public. Even visiting the South, I get no problems.
Trans women who can't pass for biological females are not "pervy old men". They are every bit as real as I am and their freedom to use public restrooms in peace deserves to be protected. This is such a basic freedom, you have no idea what it's like to have it taken away, but I do, and trust me when I say it's bullshit. When I had nowhere to pee, creeping Shariah was the last thing on my mind.
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Sophistic Radiance said: I suppose you'd like to know why I'd want to use a bathroom with somebody who hates me, too
apparently that would be both bathrooms as I understand it
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Re: Religion of Peace Strikes again [Re: Crystal G]
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hostileuniverse said: Uh no, I have no idea what you are, but if you're a real trans, you can keep on keeping on, I'm sure you "look" the part, it's the pervy old men who Arnt allowed,
Plenty of genuine trans people don't "pass" for the gender they're trying to be. Some really look the part and look like men or other women, and others it is very obvious they are still men or women.
So why not go with the easiest, and safest, solution, use the bathroom that matches your actual gender, not just how you feel,
Like i said, I got no beef (no pun intended) with trans people, but im gonna side with right of women and children, why should they be subjected to Pervy old men?
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hostileuniverse said: So why not go with the easiest, and safest, solution, use the bathroom that matches your actual gender, not just how you feel,
why not go to the bathroom you wish to use and if someone is caught doing some pervy shit, drag them for 20 miles behind a truck to show them the errors of their ways
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hostileuniverse said: Uh no, I have no idea what you are, but if you're a real trans, you can keep on keeping on, I'm sure you "look" the part, it's the pervy old men who Arnt allowed,
Plenty of genuine trans people don't "pass" for the gender they're trying to be. Some really look the part and look like men or other women, and others it is very obvious they are still men or women.
So why not go with the easiest, and safest, solution, use the bathroom that matches your actual gender, not just how you feel,
Like i said, I got no beef (no pun intended) with trans people, but im gonna side with right of women and children, why should they be subjected to Pervy old men?
If you truly want to protect the rights of women and children then you would be against HB2.
The innocent children affected by HB2 (4/22/16, Charlotte Observer)
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Okay but that where you are NOT being honest, no one is taking away your right To use a bathroom, you can, and always have, been able to use the bathroom.
Now that we've established that, let's get to the crux, you wanna feel comfortable in the bathroom, correct? Well so do most women and children,
No one, not even trump, is worried about you, it's sex offenders that you KNOW are gonna abuse this law, how do you feel about that?
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hostileuniverse said: So why not go with the easiest, and safest, solution, use the bathroom that matches your actual gender, not just how you feel,
Like i said, I got no beef (no pun intended) with trans people, but im gonna side with right of women and children, why should they be subjected to Pervy old men?
Because trans women getting beaten up or harassed in bathrooms is all too common of a story. The fact that you don't realize this shows how much you don't understand the plight of trans people.
I mean jesus, I was sometimes insulted and harassed just cause I was going through a punk phase when I was younger and I looked "different," I can't even imagine the harassment trans people actually go through.
Imagine a trans woman stepping into a bar full of drunks, sexual harassment would be rife.
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so to accommodate a very tiny minority of people, with what is nothing more than an inconvenience, you are gonna trample on the rights of MILLIONS of women and children
That's sick
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