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Re: Religion of Peace Strikes again [Re: Crystal G]
#23485071 - 07/28/16 09:30 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Half the corner stores in my area are run by middle Eastern expatriates, they've been quite tolerant of me. They're here to sell booze, not wage jihad. They don't give a fuck about all that stuff.
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Re: Religion of Peace Strikes again [Re: qman]
#23485073 - 07/28/16 09:31 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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koods said: Like have said, I've had sex with a number of Muslims. I doubt hostileuniverse knows anything about them, except what he hears on TV.
Wonderful, you bang gay Muslims so you know all about how great they are IRL, did you ever ask them why their culture and religion is so full of hate?
It's quite surprising, but a large portion of Muslims are actually unaware of how violent their holy books or ideology are. They basically only listen to whatever their imam says, or whatever the scholar teaches, so consequently many of them truly believe that the Q'uran and Hadith teaches that men and women are equal, and that Islam is a religion of peace.
I personally think if any of them actually read and studied every inch of their books (particularly the Hadith because that's where all that Sharia Law nonsense comes from), they would quickly realize that this is simply bullshit archaic mythology from the 3rd century, and leave their religion.
That goes for all religions, too.
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Re: Religion of Peace Strikes again [Re: qman]
#23485075 - 07/28/16 09:31 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Sophistic Radiance said: Do you make a habit of randomly interrogating your friends with loaded questions based on stereotypes of their beliefs?
It's never random, it's always controlled and measured. 
You sound like a swell guy to be friends with
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Re: Religion of Peace Strikes again [Re: Crystal G]
#23485088 - 07/28/16 09:35 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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koods said: Like have said, I've had sex with a number of Muslims. I doubt hostileuniverse knows anything about them, except what he hears on TV.
Wonderful, you bang gay Muslims so you know all about how great they are IRL, did you ever ask them why their culture and religion is so full of hate?
It's quite surprising, but a large portion of Muslims are actually unaware of how violent their holy books or ideology are. They basically only listen to whatever their imam says, or whatever the scholar teaches, so consequently many of them truly believe that the Q'uran and Hadith teaches that men and women are equal, and that Islam is a religion of peace.
I personally think if any of them actually read and studied every inch of their books (particularly the Hadith because that's where all that Sharia Law nonsense comes from), they would quickly realize that this is simply bullshit archaic mythology from the 3rd century, and leave their religion.
That goes for all religions, too.
Die you know that the hadith's are interpreted in a huge number of different ways, and that there is no single, definitive formulation of "Shariah" like you and the other conservos always seem to be convinced exists?
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Re: Religion of Peace Strikes again [Re: koods]
#23485089 - 07/28/16 09:35 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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loads of racists also have black 'friends'
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Re: Religion of Peace Strikes again [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23485092 - 07/28/16 09:36 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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How is that remotely analogous?
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Re: Religion of Peace Strikes again [Re: koods]
#23485097 - 07/28/16 09:40 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I dated with a Persian Muslim once cause he was smoking hot and was working on his PhD in engineering. I was quite surprised when he once went on a tirade about how gay people are filthy and disgusting, because he thought it was the biggest, nastiest sin ever. He kept saying that if men want to act like women so bad, then they should go and get a sex change and be women. It was pretty obvious to me that this guy was having lots of pent-up homoerotic feelings deep down.
It's quite interesting how intelligence does not preclude somebody from having all sorts of erroneous bigotry.
I was quite shocked and it was hitting me so hard to process this information, that I didn't speak much. I actually dated one military guy, a Latino, who spewed similar feelings about gays, and at the time I was living with a gay couple in a home, and he was IN OUR HOME when he was spewing all this hate. Once he realized the two guys living in the house were a gay couple he shut up completely.
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Re: Religion of Peace Strikes again [Re: Crystal G]
#23485106 - 07/28/16 09:46 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Why do you keep thinking anecdotes can be used to draw broad, generalized conclusions?
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Re: Religion of Peace Strikes again [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23485110 - 07/28/16 09:47 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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it's ok brightspark, we understand
Are you brain shaming me?
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Die you know that the hadith's are interpreted in a huge number of different ways, and that there is no single, definitive formulation of "Shariah" like you and the other conservos always seem to be convinced exists?
Like what? What sort of specific things do they disagree on?
AFAIK, there are only a couple things they disagree on. One for example, is the wearing of the niqab or hijab. A lot of liberal scholars argue that the Q'uran does not state that women should cover their head, only their bosom. So basically, women only do it because the prophet Muhammed's wives all covered themselves, and they want to emulate that image.
Liberal Muslims also argue that Muslims shouldn't even follow the Hadith. Because it was written 150 years after the prophet died, and therefore whatever is written in there is not valid, it is not the word of Mohammed.
Feel free to enlighten me more though, I enjoy being educated and acquiring new information or new insight that I might not have known about.
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Re: Religion of Peace Strikes again [Re: koods]
#23485119 - 07/28/16 09:50 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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koods said: Like have said, I've had sex with a number of Muslims. I doubt hostileuniverse knows anything about them, except what he hears on TV.
Also, what is happening in Europe is not comparable to the US. The US picks and chooses its refugees very carefully. It takes years to get a visa to come to the US.
Yes, I do not live in the Middle East, do you?
And refugees don't get visas, maybe you should learn about how refugees actually get here
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LOL, have you been ignoring all my other posts and statistics? I do not draw conclusions from anecdotal or personal experiences. I am simply sharing my experience, just as Koods is sharing his experience, which you +1'ed because his anecdote merely fit your agenda.
Notice how in the same post I mentioned that a Latin American had also done the same thing, yet I don't go around chastising Hispanic people for being anti-gay.
I've also had experiences with Arabs running crazy, wild strip clubs, clearly they're not conservative like the others.
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Re: Religion of Peace Strikes again [Re: Crystal G]
#23485121 - 07/28/16 09:50 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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They disagree on which hadith's should be considered legitimate. They have different rules for determining which hadith's should be considered legitimate and for which hadith's should take priority over other hadith's when they conflict.
There is no single collection of hadith's that is definitive and no way of interpreting and prioritizing them that is definitive.
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Re: Religion of Peace Strikes again [Re: Crystal G]
#23485127 - 07/28/16 09:52 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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LOL, have you been ignoring all my other posts and statistics? I do not draw conclusions from anecdotal or personal experiences. I am simply sharing my experience, just as Koods is sharing his experience, which you +1'ed because his anecdote merely fit your agenda.
Notice how in the same post I mentioned that a Latin American had also done the same thing, yet I don't go around chastising Hispanic people for being anti-gay.
I've also had experiences with Arabs running crazy, wild strip clubs, clearly they're not conservative like the others.
You don't know that I +1'ed that.
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Sophistic Radiance said: They disagree on which hadith's should be considered legitimate. They have different rules for determining which hadith's should be considered legitimate and for which hadith's should take priority over other hadith's when they conflict.
There is no single collection of hadith's that is definitive and no way of interpreting and prioritizing them that is definitive.
And this is exactly why religion is dangerous, because people can twist it into any interpretation. This is how you end up with shit like Hezbollah and ISIS, who preach all sorts of nonsense to uneducated people who are willing to believe anything some guy in power tells them, so long as they get the promise of heaven afterwards. It's exploitative at best.
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Sophistic Radiance said: You don't know that I +1'ed that.
Look at the succession of people who are posting and lurking in here. The only person it could have been was you. You posted just before Koods, Koods made a post about dating a Muslim from a chill family, it subsequently gets +1'ed almost 10 seconds later, then there's a succession of anti-Islam posts. Who else +1'ed that?!
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Re: Religion of Peace Strikes again [Re: Crystal G]
#23485149 - 07/28/16 09:58 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Sophistic Radiance said: They disagree on which hadith's should be considered legitimate. They have different rules for determining which hadith's should be considered legitimate and for which hadith's should take priority over other hadith's when they conflict.
There is no single collection of hadith's that is definitive and no way of interpreting and prioritizing them that is definitive.
And this is exactly why religion is dangerous, because people can twist it into any interpretation. This is how you end up with shit like Hezbollah and ISIS, who preach all sorts of nonsense to uneducated people who are willing to believe anything some guy in power tells them, so long as they get the promise of heaven afterwards. It's exploitative at best.
This is also why it's misleading at best and potentially sectarian propaganda to discuss Shariah as though some single rigid, ultraconservative formulation exists which can be said to set a defining example for all others.
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Re: Religion of Peace Strikes again [Re: Crystal G]
#23485154 - 07/28/16 09:58 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Sophistic Radiance said: You don't know that I +1'ed that.
Look at the succession of people who are posting and lurking in here. The only person it could have been was you. You posted just before Koods, Koods made a post about dating a Muslim from a chill family, it subsequently gets +1'ed almost 10 seconds later, then there's a succession of anti-Islam posts. Who else +1'ed that?!
I never said it wasn't me
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Sophistic Radiance said: They disagree on which hadith's should be considered legitimate. They have different rules for determining which hadith's should be considered legitimate and for which hadith's should take priority over other hadith's when they conflict.
There is no single collection of hadith's that is definitive and no way of interpreting and prioritizing them that is definitive.
And yeah, of course, that's true, everybody tends to interpret religion to their own benefit and lifestyle. Hence why you sometimes (rarely, but sometimes) have gay Muslims, or Muslims who drink alcohol or even eat pork, or Muslims who engage in premarital sex or have affairs, even though all this is supposed to be forbidden under their religion.
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