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    #23466030 - 07/22/16 01:19 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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“Strengthened by contemplation and study,
I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”


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Re: A few tattered thoughts [Re: Lion]
    #23466361 - 07/22/16 03:00 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

:heart: Love and peace :heart:


Hello...........Hello!  Kind friend, nice to see your post.... yeah I heard something about that kind of thing going on in Turkey.  You are in an excellent place to do peace work...

Since i was a kid, i always felt like, if i could be in any of those places, it would be the best thing..  when i heard about them, i always felt like this -- wish that i could be there, because it might do the most good...

i felt like - i would sit in meditation, and just sit there...  that was quite a long time ago; and i've lived and been through quite a few more experiences... Still have the same view , for the most part ; although i do it closer to home now...

it's quite an interesting thing -- and how the world is connected - it's like...  everything is happening at the same time, almost ( or well, as they say - all the past and future is happening at one point. . . . [at least, it may be] )

and a lot seems to point towards the fact that time is an illusion... the various things of this...

So ---- the first thing, as (almost) always, for me... is - well, peace work - how does it work, and so forth...

But...  sitting outside in meditation is good;  first thing that makes sense to me is --

seeking (and attaining) peace.... one of the first points is -- safety, because safety is a part of peace;  a lot of ( or rather - all ) of the spiritual traditions of the globe, have the same point, that it is possible to be spiritually protected. . . Each one of these has their own method of this -- anyway.  It was the first thing I explored in spirituality, in each tradition.

So that one -- and the fact that sitting inside is as good as outside at times. . .

Well - so there's one thing. . . about danger, and so forth -- when we face it, at times it can disappear. . Like, if one is approached by a troop of baboons, by facing them and locking eyes - yelling and making oneself big -- this can scare them off... 

not to advise this in every situation --  but as a general type of principle.  (or part of a principle)


'coz there's a thousand complexities to most any question--  'how to be safe under any circumstances?'  -  a good question,

and answered differently in different paradigms  (and, circumstances)


for me - i have found - stillness is one of the best keys ( along with loving-kindness )


in any type of human situation -- I have found it's possible to simply remain still - eyes  closed, at peace. . .

usually this seems to do the trick -

as Mirra Alfassa wrote -- 'there is an almost tangible quality to stillness.'  (i believe she used the word 'immobility' , but as she also went on for few pages or so, about the quality of this immobility ( for instance, it's not a static one really. . . other than that, [etc] )



from Buddhism - the key to being at peace is to have infused the world with loving-kindness ---

from the ahi sutta , 
and from others ( as well as in Buddhism, as the names of Buddhas are taught to bring their protection . . .
as well as health and so forth)
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for instance Hinduism, the process is keeping the divine names in the mind / heart
( which is technically a secret, but - - i am pretty sure it all works out )
So Amitabha ( Buddha of infinite light ) , Christ,  Krishna,  etc -- whatever else; all are said to protect. . .

other traditions are similar in some cases - of the protection aspect, but different in their approaches or wordings. . .

From Taoism - 'The enlightened person merges with whatever is around him, and thus he is kept safe'

(close but slightly paraphrased), Lieh-Tzu . . and again,

when a drunken man falls of a cart , he is not injured -- because his body is relaxed, and does not tense up. . .

(Liezi goes on to make the point, if this much benefit is gained from that -- how much more is gained from a true losing of the self?)

which - i never got there - but also since i saw the harm done by people pushing

"selflessness" on people -  i basically switched over, anyway completely.

never that interested in that anymore, i'm gonna be a "self" for the rest of my days, thank you very much :heart:  Lolol



Sorry for the tangent!


okay!  so back to the topic at hand~!  ............. all i have said is simply me rambling,   

with thoughts of your situation and the very best wishes at heart.


i do not know anything specifically -- and esp. - as to your home whereabouts ;

would have nothing to add really,


i did have... some other bit of a thought, but,, can't quite get to it now;;


anyyway,, all it is is sending/wishing you peace, 



much love and peace!! sent to you! and - much appreciation and joy and love from home.


thanks for sharing.


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Re: A few tattered thoughts [Re: graceful dragon]
    #23466365 - 07/22/16 03:01 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

be a mountain :heart: :heart:

nothing can harm you :heart:

Peace and love :sun:


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Re: A few tattered thoughts [Re: Lion] * 1
    #23467024 - 07/22/16 06:28 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I'd get out asap. IMO, you should focus on your personal safety first and worry about the psychological reasons for your choice later.

An attempted coup is really bad news. I'd be very worried about the stability of the country.


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Re: A few tattered thoughts [Re: Lion]
    #23467472 - 07/22/16 08:48 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

WOW! That was fascinating and terrifying. I have a friend in South Florida who is from Turkey and visits Istanbul when she can. I wonder if she could be of some insistence by connections she might have there. Here, she is a therapist. Is there anything I could ask her on your behalf?


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Re: A few tattered thoughts [Re: Lion]
    #23468325 - 07/23/16 05:01 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

there seems to be escalating insanity happening all over. The latest is some shooting, most likely following a pattern of PSY OP, where some 'lone gunman' has shot people, including children in Munich at, get this, the 'Olympia' shopping mall. The REAL people behind what is going on use these correspondences. For example it was Munich in 1972 where another false flag attack happened at the Olympics (get it??). Known as 'Black September'

All I am encouraging is the seriously question what the politicians and their media are making as the ongoing narrative!

Regarding your situation. HOW you feel---knotted up with tension. Wanting to release in ecstasy watching erotic images, porn, is natural. It is GOOD! It means you are human.

Hardened males who joined up to the military then go and find out that there are deeper feelings that can be utterly shook up. This culture calls it post traumatic stress disorder (PTSD)

The matrix all around is contrived, and brutal and oppressive. Many people try and pretend to be getting on with it--'survival' but feel the need to be on psychiatric medication, and are PUSHED it by the very culture which condones this oppression, and makes a heft profit FROm the 'treatment' for what is called 'mental illness'

I say see through what os going on. You have the interweb. Allow that inquisitive child which was uppressed by the culture freedom and begin questioning everything

Move if you feel the need to.

Also checkout Qigoong on YT. There are simple enjoyable exercises to felp the body relive those knots. And also -if you have access--have some psychedelic experience. You don't have to take much, but it is the best way to inspire ecstasy


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Re: A few tattered thoughts [Re: Lion]
    #23473015 - 07/24/16 05:58 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

It sounds scary, but it is an experience few westerners have. Why not observe...face your fear and write a cool book. If this is not doable then by all means leave, but it sounds like a helluva story to tell your future grand kids.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda


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Re: A few tattered thoughts [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #23475686 - 07/25/16 02:23 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks all for your thoughts, I appreciate it. Markos, I will PM you.

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zzripz said:

Also checkout Qigoong on YT. There are simple enjoyable exercises to felp the body relive those knots. And also -if you have access--have some psychedelic experience. You don't have to take much, but it is the best way to inspire ecstasy


I appreciate this perspective.  I'm going to look into something like Qigong.
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Huehuecoyotl said:
It sounds scary, but it is an experience few westerners have. Why not observe...face your fear and write a cool book. If this is not doable then by all means leave, but it sounds like a helluva story to tell your future grand kids.


Theoretically and intellectually, I am not averse to living in a chaotic, unstable situation.  I have always been interested in conflict and violence and its causes and solutions, and this latest experience truly brought home to me how the horror (and adrenaline, and psychological after-effects) of modern warfare and conflict is probably literally unimaginable unless you have had firsthand experience of it.

It seems that because of some of my programming from my youth and adolescence, I am constitutionally not actually up to the task of living in such a high-stress environment.  I seem to have a weak immune system and be prone to physical ailments rooted in psychic distress.  But I am trying to find some balance and a way to discipline my mind and body in the face of life's adversity.


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“Strengthened by contemplation and study,
I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”


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Re: A few tattered thoughts [Re: Lion]
    #23480561 - 07/26/16 10:37 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Lion said:

Everything in me is screaming for a change. 





This is how we suffer. We want reality to be different than it is.

The more we resist what is, the more we disturb ourselves.


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Re: A few tattered thoughts [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #23480784 - 07/26/16 11:45 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I love you, Lion! Stay strong brother :heart:


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Re: A few tattered thoughts [Re: Lion]
    #23481250 - 07/27/16 04:46 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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It seems that because of some of my programming from my youth and adolescence, I am constitutionally not actually up to the task of living in such a high-stress environment.  I seem to have a weak immune system and be prone to physical ailments rooted in psychic distress.  But I am trying to find some balance and a way to discipline my mind and body in the face of life's adversity.




NO ONE is 'actually up to the task'!!! Why is it  it is made to believe that humans and any species should be able to live in such hellish environments? That is a toxic myth invented by a warrior mindset who came to that mindset through serious traumatic upbringing.


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