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 Pressure cooking grains first time, IS THIS WRONG? 
#23465282 - 07/22/16 08:59 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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so I pressure cooked jars of rye berries yesterday for a total of about 2 hours give or take, have a mirro 22qt cooker that id never used before. for the first hour i couldnt get the weight to move, it was just spitting out some steam no matter what setting i had the heat too. i let it steam for 10 minutes before i put weight on etc. so i said oh well hopefully its at 15 psi and i let it go for an hour. i then got curious and decided to move it onto the smaller burner on my stove and try a few different heat settings to no avail the wait still wouldnt move. so i turned the heat UP and watched steam pour from the weight. I decided to lift the weight up a bit and it made some steam escape rather rapidly, so i dropped it. THEN it decided to spin around and violently let out steam for a few seconds and continued to do so once every minute or so. now that i knew it was working i left it cook for another hour. clearly at 15psi. MY QUESTION IS i left it cooling down over night and when i opened the next morning the water in the PC was gross, somewhat resembled the water i had the grains soaking in days before and there was a black coat everywhere in the bottom of the PC other than where the jars were sitting. is this normal or did i cook my jars and somehow have the grains mixing in the water or somthing. they were in quart jars and the water was no higher that 1/4th the way up and they had tin foil over lids with SFDs in place.
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 Re: Pressure cooking grains first time, IS THIS WRONG? [Re: stackzilla]
#23465303 - 07/22/16 09:04 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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when i PC, the water looks sorta weird and gross after, too. im pretty sure that's normal.
My mirro does similar to yours, except if you just leave the temp on highest setting for a bit the rocker will eventually give a violent rocking, and then after that, you lower the temp some to where the rocker will only go off every 10mins or so. you'll get the hang of it. they can be kinda scary to work with at first haha.
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Re: Pressure cooking grains first time, IS THIS WRONG? [Re: stackzilla]
#23465315 - 07/22/16 09:08 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I hope you were really stoned because I can't imagine another way that could be entertaining.
sounds like a jar broke cause a new PC shouldn't make the water change color. probably all the crazy changes in steam when u were messing with it made the jar weaken. do you have them on a tray or trivet? they should not be touching the bottom of the PC,they need to stand on something, can use metal jar rings too.
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Re: Pressure cooking grains first time, IS THIS WRONG? [Re: mupetmower]
#23465319 - 07/22/16 09:10 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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hahahaha yeah at first I was thinking maybe i had it too low, so i would turn it way up high and then go sit on the otherside of the kitchen counters in the living room incase it blew up for about 5 minutes, then when it still wouldnt rock jiggle do anything i would turn it back down in fear for my life. i think the weight wasnt sitting properly for the first hour, i manually jiggle/rocked and and even spun it but finally when i slid it up a tad on the post, got sprayed with steam and jumped back it dropped back on and i think it finally just found its happpy place. thanks for the info though i wasnt expecting the water to look like that, but if its normal the the jars i just nocced up should be well on their way to my first monotub 
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Re: Pressure cooking grains first time, IS THIS WRONG? [Re: blindingleaf]
#23465322 - 07/22/16 09:10 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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wait, so when you PC your water comes out looking the same as it went in, leaf? mine will come out looking like it has a slight almost shiny grey film on it.. no broken jars or anything. i thought it had something to do with the foil or metal lid rings used to lift stuff off the bottom, or something, maybe..
EDIT - or maybe not shiny grey film, but maybe looks kinda like dust or something.. idk hard to explain. it happens to mine literally every single PC cycle, so i thought it was normal. ill take a pic tonight, when i PC some plates.
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Edited by mupetmower (07/22/16 09:12 AM)
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Re: Pressure cooking grains first time, IS THIS WRONG? [Re: blindingleaf]
#23465324 - 07/22/16 09:12 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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they were sitting on top of 2 canning racks that were stacked, that came with the PC. no jars are visibly broken however i did have one jar laid across the top of the others so that i could fit as many as possible, i guess its possible that because it was on its side some of the nastyies from that jar ran out? not sure.
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Re: Pressure cooking grains first time, IS THIS WRONG? [Re: blindingleaf]
#23465327 - 07/22/16 09:13 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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i have a picture let me upload it really quick. looks yummy
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Re: Pressure cooking grains first time, IS THIS WRONG? [Re: stackzilla]
#23465333 - 07/22/16 09:16 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Pressure cooking grains first time, IS THIS WRONG? [Re: stackzilla]
#23465336 - 07/22/16 09:17 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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everywhere that is blackish brownish was silver before pc cycle, was the first time i used it
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Re: Pressure cooking grains first time, IS THIS WRONG? [Re: mupetmower]
#23465338 - 07/22/16 09:17 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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that how yours looks?
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Re: Pressure cooking grains first time, IS THIS WRONG? [Re: stackzilla]
#23465339 - 07/22/16 09:17 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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yup, mine will be kinda similar. not as much, but still kinda like that. i thought it might have possibly had something to do with the fact that the bottom inside of the PC was silver when i got it, and after a couple uses, turned dark at the bottom, where the water sits. idk.
but never any broken jars or anything, not even water leaking inside the jars at all.
the tray mine came with looks like that also, though not black like that. it was silver, like it looks where his jars sat, but then turned more dull looking all over, after a few cycles.
EDIT - just noticed, we have the same 22qt Mirro, pretty sure.
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Re: Pressure cooking grains first time, IS THIS WRONG? [Re: mupetmower]
#23465344 - 07/22/16 09:19 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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my jars dont have any visible water inside of them either, and the SFDS didnt really seam soaked or anything, they arent brown like you would figure if it was from water getting in or coming out, do you lay a jar or 2 ontop of the others that are standing upright?
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Re: Pressure cooking grains first time, IS THIS WRONG? [Re: stackzilla]
#23465353 - 07/22/16 09:21 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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nah, mine have always been upright, so far. havent had the need t lay anything on it's side yet. but lots of people lay a jar or two on their sides on top with no problems.
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Re: Pressure cooking grains first time, IS THIS WRONG? [Re: mupetmower]
#23465357 - 07/22/16 09:21 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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do you use your PC as a stockpot for when soaking the grains? i did, i cleaned it out a bit after i dumped the grains and let them steam from the collander, possible its residual gook left over from the soak if you use yours as a stock pot as well?
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Re: Pressure cooking grains first time, IS THIS WRONG? [Re: stackzilla]
#23465367 - 07/22/16 09:24 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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nah, i havent made any grains, yet. only brf jars and Pasty Plates. i did prep some coir in it, one time, but this was happening before i ever did that, anyways.
enough speculation. im sure someone here will be able to confirm whether it's normal or not, and have a solution, if it's not. im leaning towards it being normal for some, and maybe being from the type of foil used, the metal jar lids, or the material/finish on the PC/trays themselves. but idk for sure.
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Re: Pressure cooking grains first time, IS THIS WRONG? [Re: mupetmower]
#23465507 - 07/22/16 10:06 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Did the pc run dry? Was there actually any water left at the end of the
cycle? I've never seen anything like that.
My pc water will usually have a lot of white powder residue from having
obnoxiously hard water. Lots of calcium.
That looks burnt though. But hey, what do i know i run an AA so maybe
it's different. Although i have used a presto a couple times but still
never saw that 
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Re: Pressure cooking grains first time, IS THIS WRONG? [Re: natedawgnow]
#23465517 - 07/22/16 10:09 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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nah, he is saying that that is the water after the PC cycle. the dark/black looking thing with the silver circles is just the tray. but you can still see the grey dust things in the water on top, looking closely.
so calcium or "hard water" is what makes the water get that residue?
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Re: Pressure cooking grains first time, IS THIS WRONG? [Re: mupetmower]
#23465536 - 07/22/16 10:16 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ya hard water deposits. I just moved, but at my old place i could boil off
a pot of water and literally scrape up the mineral deposits into a pile.
It was sick and the water was straight up poison. A glass of it would look
super cloudy and opaque. Don't drinkyour tap water if you have that issue too!
Back to op, if the water itself is black then why are the spots unxer the jars
still silver? The jars dont make a water tight seal on the tray so why
wouldn't the water have gotten under the jars? Just seems weird to me.
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Re: Pressure cooking grains first time, IS THIS WRONG? [Re: natedawgnow]
#23465554 - 07/22/16 10:24 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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mine comes out rust colored after cycle, but my trivet is old and rusty. when I got it last summer though, the water wouldn't be that much different, definitely not "a black coat other than where the jars were sitting"
if u don't see any cracks in the jars, i dunno. hard water does make the water change but usually it takes many cycles, maybe I misunderstood the OP…figured he meant new here
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have a mirro 22qt cooker that id never used before
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Re: Pressure cooking grains first time, IS THIS WRONG? [Re: natedawgnow]
#23465561 - 07/22/16 10:27 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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yeah nah, i dont think his water is black, i think it just looks that way from the tray that is in there right now, which is black except for the spots where his jars sat, for whatever reason.
but my water doesn't look cloudy at all when i put it in a glass. looks clear. but then still has that cloudy, filmy, deposit look after I PC it. so i really dont know. i mean, i know the water has minerals and shit in ti, because it's city water. but doesnt look weird until i PC it.
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Re: Pressure cooking grains first time, IS THIS WRONG? [Re: mupetmower]
#23465579 - 07/22/16 10:35 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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City water has a lot of dissolved solids for sure. Mine was just especially bad!
Boil a pot of water till near dry and you'd probably see the same thing
as you do in your pc.
But ya i'm lost as to ops issue.
Never seen anything like that before
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Re: Pressure cooking grains first time, IS THIS WRONG? [Re: blindingleaf]
#23465708 - 07/22/16 11:34 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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the pressure cooker is brand new, and never used before by me or anyone else. the water itself wasn't black, maybe a tiny bit brown but had weird lookin gunk floating on the surface, my water isnt very hard here at the new house, possibly from the water softner? idk but that black residue on the trays, was not there before i PCed the jars, a 2 hour cycle, cooled over night and opened up to find that. where the jars were sitting isnt black which is weird if that black coloration was from the water you would figure it would get under the jars as well?
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Re: Pressure cooking grains first time, IS THIS WRONG? [Re: natedawgnow]
#23465732 - 07/22/16 11:39 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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the pressure cooker did not run dry, the water that is in it with the possible mineral deposits? floating in it is what was left from the cycle. so now that we have a good idea that the "gunk" is probably minerals, why the black discoloration? i havent tried scrapeing it yet or even dumped the water and when i do i will update but its just very curious. lol as i said before is it possible that there were some nasties on the walls from when i did my grain soak and it just washed down the sides and gunked up on the tray? no idea because it was perfectly silver when i closed the lid with the jars inside.
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Re: Pressure cooking grains first time, IS THIS WRONG? [Re: stackzilla]
#23465774 - 07/22/16 11:48 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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the black ish brown coating goes up the side walls to where the water was at the start of PCing, the water is a good inch lower now( after pcing) than the black on the walls of the PC. what is even more curious is the fact that the tray underneath the first one, and what i mean by that is there were 2 canning racks, the one the jars were one somehow did not get turned black underneath where the jars sat, but the tray underneath that one, as well as the bottom of the PC are black as well, how the hell did the jars sheild it from discoloring? lol
i will post pictures in a minute.
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 Re: Pressure cooking grains first time, IS THIS WRONG? [Re: stackzilla]
#23465811 - 07/22/16 12:00 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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everything was originally the shiny silver color that the top of the PC is, everything below the original water line, (not the current water level) is now black. lol anyone with imput would be great, has anyone seen this before?
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Re: Pressure cooking grains first time, IS THIS WRONG? [Re: stackzilla]
#23465851 - 07/22/16 12:16 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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WTF? does the black stuff rub off your trivet?
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Re: Pressure cooking grains first time, IS THIS WRONG? [Re: spacechildo]
#23465899 - 07/22/16 12:28 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Wait you actually got the weight to jiggle on the Mirro 22qt? My Mirro 22qt just blows a huge load of steam every few minutes.
That being said, the water in mines always seems about the same at the end of the cycle as it is in the beginning, except there is white mineral deposits on the everything due to hard water.
Edited by herrenvolk (07/22/16 01:44 PM)
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Re: Pressure cooking grains first time, IS THIS WRONG? [Re: spacechildo]
#23466031 - 07/22/16 01:19 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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it doesnt rub off easily, i havent went at it with a scrubber yet
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Re: Pressure cooking grains first time, IS THIS WRONG? [Re: herrenvolk]
#23466034 - 07/22/16 01:21 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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did the bottom of yours turn black? and no, i did not get the weight to jiggle, it also wouldnt blow a load of steam for the first hour or so until i lifted and dropped the weight, then it started to blow loads of steam, so i beleive that is how this model is made to work.
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Re: Pressure cooking grains first time, IS THIS WRONG? [Re: stackzilla]
#23466096 - 07/22/16 01:44 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Oops, I meant to say that the water looks the same at the end of the cycle as in the beginning.
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Re: Pressure cooking grains first time, IS THIS WRONG? [Re: herrenvolk]
#23467762 - 07/22/16 10:42 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I was drinking one night pc'ing pretty late and passed out woke up an hour after the two hour cycle was done and the water was almost gone it was under the plate ... the grains were black as Fuck and it looked kinda like that I usually put water up just under halfway on the jars if the water rind dry you can warp your cooker mine will not sit flat no more I think you need a bit more water next time
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