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The Ecstatic
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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
#23463211 - 07/21/16 04:43 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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What good is empirical evidence when youve got personal anecdote?
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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: Bodhi of Ankou] 1
#23463224 - 07/21/16 04:47 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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No. Whats going on is completely ridiculous. I dont have to look it up to know this.
blm has legitimate grievances. Most all whites in America are racists. They shouldn't be held accountable. Its not their fault, its all whiteys doing. You win...
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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: billy jowl]
#23463236 - 07/21/16 04:51 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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billy jowl said: blm has legitimate grievances. Most all whites in America are racists. They shouldn't be held accountable. Its not their fault, its all whiteys doing. You win...

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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
#23463245 - 07/21/16 04:56 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: Bodhi of Ankou] 1
#23463494 - 07/21/16 06:10 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Bodhi of Ankou said: That doesnt invalidate anything Im saying. At this point you're someone who refuses to admit blacks are profiled and oppressed by white society in america. My arguments air tight.

I'll go with the stats showing blacks commit more crimes, but thanks.
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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: luvdemshrooms] 3
#23463577 - 07/21/16 06:33 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Bodhi of Ankou said: Refute my statements with actual talking points. You keep saying I dont know because I dont live there. Thats not a legitimate counter point.
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Tell you what man, come to my town and try walking after dark in some of the seedier neighborhoods and we wouldn't be having this argument. Youd puss out after five minutes.
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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: lowbrow]
#23463714 - 07/21/16 07:20 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Is profiling oppression?
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Id wuss out walking through a hood? Dont be so melodramatic
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Prisoner#1
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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: koods] 2
#23464187 - 07/21/16 10:00 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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koods said: Twice the number? That's now how you do demographic analysis. When comparing populations with different sizes, you need to standardize the data by using rates. For every black person in the US, there are five white people, so an expected normal distribution of shootings would result in five times as many white victims as black. That's not even close to the actual data.
Of course, you know this. Your goal here is to obfuscate the facts and make debate intolerable.,
What difference does the rate make if the shootings are justifiable? NONE.
Where's your outrage about the higher rate of male shootings by cops? What about younger people? Not a word, right Koods.
I've said this before: the gender disparity in the shooting data just proves that cops are shooting people based on bias and perceived threats. Women can have a gun just as easily as a man, but males are more threatening and therefore get shot a lot more. It really comes down to cops being pussies who shoot people out of fear.
Don't you understand the entire problem here is that what you think and what is considered justifiable has become totally absurd.
so what you are in fact saying is that men and women commit the same sort of crimes at the same rate but because the men are more threatening they're more often shot
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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: lowbrow]
#23464198 - 07/21/16 10:03 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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lowbrow said:
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Bodhi of Ankou said: Refute my statements with actual talking points. You keep saying I dont know because I dont live there. Thats not a legitimate counter point.
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Tell you what man, come to my town and try walking after dark in some of the seedier neighborhoods and we wouldn't be having this argument. Youd puss out after five minutes.
Is that what you guys do is walk around seedy neighborhoods looking for excuses to use your precious weapons!?
SCUM!
IM SICK OF IT!
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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
#23464199 - 07/21/16 10:03 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Bodhi of Ankou said: Heres your presidential candiate spouting complete bullshit to target blacks.

show us on the trumplestiltskin page
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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
#23464214 - 07/21/16 10:07 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Bodhi of Ankou said: You lack the requisite intelligence to understand what that fallacy is. I have multiple examples of its systematic institutionalization in prior posts. The atmosphere those point to is one where racism is common and accepted by a large portion of the population.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2014/12/06/i-was-a-st-louis-cop-my-peers-were-racist-and-violent-and-theres-only-one-fix/
Heres your presidential candiate spouting complete bullshit to target blacks.

The numbers theyre claiming come from a source that doesnt exist. Not to mention that whites are overwhelmingly killed by whites, and in light of it that implication that statistic makes, its accusation becomes meaningless. Its a pointed, racist attack on the black community. From the potential president of the united states.

But that isnt a surprise because this is a habitual behaviour. Its cultural.
Theres a systematic racist element in American society that permeates everything. Even banking institutions.
Its common for schools to have invisible racial divides.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/grade-point/wp/2015/11/02/students-accuse-yale-sae-fraternity-brothers-of-having-a-white-girls-only-policy-at-their-party/
http://www.utne.com/community/self-segregation-on-college-campuses-ze0z1504zdeh.aspx
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/former-sae-fraternity-member-apologizes-racist-chant
In light of all of this why would the statistical bias be anything but racism? Its already part of every single facet of your society.
Give us a fucking break, people voluntarily segregate themselves all the time based on race, you do know there's black fraternities? Do you hear about whites complaining about it?
Have you ever been to a campuses or workforce cafeteria? Always self segregated by race, you don't have a clue.
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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: Bodhi of Ankou] 2
#23464243 - 07/21/16 10:13 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Bodhi of Ankou said: That doesnt invalidate anything Im saying. At this point you're someone who refuses to admit blacks are profiled and oppressed by white society in america. My arguments air tight.
No, you pointed out individual cases of potential racism, not "blacks are profiled and oppressed by white society", big difference.
If I point out some cases of black racism, would that make a case of "whites are oppressed by black society"? NO.
"My arguments are air tight"
No, they are a pile of logical fallacies.
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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23464737 - 07/22/16 01:35 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said: a trafficking crack cocaine conspiracy charge isnt the same as stealing $10 and getting years in prison because of skin color as you claimed and a democracy now interview with some 3rd party is hardly evidence of your claims considering that it was 23 kg of crack
The actual charge was "50 grams or more". Also, her supplier got 19 years in exchange for testifying against her!!! Something is very weird here.
And I see that you are sweeping it under the rug that the people who have been stealing billions have done it over and over. You seem to think it's ok to steal billions repeatedly, but if you steal $10 3 times it's justice to get life in prison.
Also, the judge in Sharanda Jones' case stated that he didn't want to give the life sentence but had no choice.
A shocking new study by the American Civil Liberties Union has found that more than 3,200 people nationwide are serving life terms without parole for nonviolent offenses. Of those prisoners, 80 percent are behind bars for drug-related crimes. Sixty-five percent are African-American, 18 percent are white, and 16 percent are Latino—evidence of what the ACLU calls "extreme racial disparities." The crimes that led to life sentences include stealing gas from a truck, shoplifting, possessing a crack pipe, facilitating a $10 sale of marijuana, and attempting to cash a stolen check.
http://www.democracynow.org/2013/11/15/jailed_for_life_for_stealing_a
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The Ecstatic
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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#23465004 - 07/22/16 06:40 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Bodhi of Ankou said: That doesnt invalidate anything Im saying. At this point you're someone who refuses to admit blacks are profiled and oppressed by white society in america. My arguments air tight.

I'll go with the stats showing blacks commit more crimes, but thanks.
What omniscient source do you have on that?
Maybe you mean blacks are arrested more for committing crimes, which is an entirely plausible addition to Bodhis argument.
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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: The Ecstatic] 1
#23465147 - 07/22/16 07:55 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said:
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Bodhi of Ankou said: That doesnt invalidate anything Im saying. At this point you're someone who refuses to admit blacks are profiled and oppressed by white society in america. My arguments air tight.

I'll go with the stats showing blacks commit more crimes, but thanks.
What omniscient source do you have on that?
Maybe you mean blacks are arrested more for committing crimes, which is an entirely plausible addition to Bodhis argument.
Yeah, because their murder, rape, robbery, sexual assault, and physical assault arrests with real victims are just police profiling black people.
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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: billy jowl]
#23465176 - 07/22/16 08:13 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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billy jowl said: Dumb people from Canada think they know everything bout 'merica.
Your country broadcasts everything globally, unlike most countries.. I've heard people say the same crap you said over and over again, and it always sounds retarded no matter how you swing it because it just means you're completely oblivious to how attention seeking your media and politics seems to outside parties. Just because you don't hear about Canadian shit nearly as much as we do of your shit, that doesn't mean we are ignorant. Quite the opposite really since the information is so much easier to access, and at times hard to avoid.
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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: The Ecstatic]
#23465217 - 07/22/16 08:30 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: What omniscient source do you have on that?
The sources need not be omniscient .
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Maybe you mean blacks are arrested more for committing crimes, which is an entirely plausible addition to Bodhis argument.
No. That's not what I mean and it's not what statistics reveal.
http://2kpcwh2r7phz1nq4jj237m22.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Color-Of-Crime-2016.pdf
http://www.amren.com/news/2015/07/new-doj-statistics-on-race-and-violent-crime/
And as for arrest rates, they are astonishing. There are only 3 categories where the black arrest rate is roughly equivalent to their percentage of the population. DUI, Liquor Laws and Drunkenness.
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2014/crime-in-the-u.s.-2014/tables/table-43
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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#23465258 - 07/22/16 08:50 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Don't you guys know that cops just ignore all the white people committing crimes?
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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
#23465285 - 07/22/16 08:59 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Bodhi of Ankou said: Id wuss out walking through a hood? Dont be so melodramatic 
Your from Canada. You've never seen a true ghetto. The shit can look like a third world country.
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