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Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement
    #8621951 - 07/11/08 01:36 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Anyone heard of this?
the opening to the article from wiki...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Counterfeiting_Trade_Agreement

The Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement (ACTA) is a proposed plurilateral trade agreement that would impose strict enforcement of intellectual property rights related to Internet activity and trade in information-based goods. The agreement is being secretly negotiated by the governments of the United States, the European Commission, Japan, Switzerland, Australia, New Zealand, South Korea, Canada, and Mexico.[1][2] If adopted at the 34th G8 summit in July 2008, the treaty would establish an international coalition against copyright infringement, imposing a strong, top-down enforcement regime of copyright laws in developed nations. The proposed agreement would allow border officials to search laptops, MP3 players, and cellular phones for copyright-infringing content. It would also impose new cooperation requirements upon internet service providers (ISPs), including perfunctory disclosure of customer information, and restrict the use of online privacy tools. The proposal specifies a plan to encourage developing nations to accept the legal regime.

The European Commission, the Office of the United States Trade Representative, the Australian Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade, and other government agencies have acknowledged participating in ACTA negotiations, but they have refused to release drafts of the treaty or to discuss specific terms under discussion in the negotiations. Public interest advocates in Canada filed an access to information request but received only a document stating the title of the agreement, with everything else blacked out.[2] On May 22, 2008, a discussion paper about the proposed agreement was uploaded to Wikileaks, and newspaper reports about the secret negotiations quickly followed.[3][4][2][5]

ACTA is part of a broader "forum shifting" strategy employed by the trade representatives of the U.S., E.C., Japan, and other supporters of rigid intellectual property enforcement: similar terms and provisions currently appear in the World Customs Organization draft SECURE treaty.[6]

Border searches

Newspaper reports indicate that the proposed agreement would empower security officials at airports and other international borders to conduct random ex officio searches of laptops, MP3 players, and cellular phones for illegally downloaded or "ripped" music and movies. Travelers with infringing content would be subject to a fine and may have their devices confiscated or destroyed.[2][5]

[edit] ISP cooperation

The leaked document includes a provision to force internet service providers to provide information about suspected copyright infringers without a warrant, making it easier for the record industry to sue music file sharers and for officials to shut down non-commercial BitTorrent websites such as The Pirate Bay.[7]

[edit] Enforcement

ACTA would create its own governing body outside existing international institutions such as the World Trade Organization (WTO), the World Intellectual Property Organization (WIPO) or the United Nations.[2][8]


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Re: Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement [Re: DragonChaser]
    #8621984 - 07/11/08 01:48 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Hahahaha. I hope they try to search my laptop. I'll make it so the stupid pigs won't know how to get into it.

I can't believe this...One more privacy gone.


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Re: Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement [Re: MHbound]
    #8622068 - 07/11/08 02:09 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

I imagine very soon SRT teams will be kicking in doors all around the world while armed with M-16's to sieze computers because of the RIAA and Movie companies. This is sick.


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Re: Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement [Re: Chemy]
    #8622125 - 07/11/08 02:24 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

The internet has been a lawless gray zone for years. It was only a matter of time before it came to this. :undecided:

We'll see how this works out... if it goes into actual law, I can see it as the first step among many to regulate the internet, including forums like this.


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Re: Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement [Re: DragonChaser]
    #8622813 - 07/11/08 05:26 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

fuck that shit.


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Re: Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement [Re: DragonChaser]
    #23459441 - 07/20/16 12:02 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

:rofl: sounds good in theory, but you would need over a thousand trained techs coordinating on an international level.

Anyways, doesn't effect me either way because of the VPSs I run (in unstable countries).


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Re: Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement [Re: DragonChaser] * 1
    #23459505 - 07/20/16 12:25 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

How do they tell the difference between legal and illegal digital content. I have plenty of legal content.


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Re: Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement [Re: Sun King]
    #23459527 - 07/20/16 12:30 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Yo, people always worry too much about this sort of thing. There's another bill you know the TPPA or whatever the trans pacific trade agreement that Obama supports.

It has clauses in it protecting intellectual property rights, even going so far as to make 'fan arts' illegal.

But you know, a lot of laws like this already exist in nations like Japan... they are widely ignored, Japan has a huge underground manga scene of 'doujins' which are fan - made mangas of popular franchises (u get a lot of hentai of the most perverted kind in doujins).

Even porn is basically illegal in Japan... as you might know though, that doesn't stop the seemingly endless supply of hentai art that gets made and proliferated at a great profit it would seem.

All I'm saying is, you might be overreacting to these bills... they'd like to think they can stop people from doing this stuff, but at the end of the day profit will probably have the final word...


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Re: Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement [Re: Sun King]
    #23459529 - 07/20/16 12:31 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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How do they tell the difference between legal and illegal digital content. I have plenty of legal content.




A "fingerprinting" program is run which determines the broad characteristics digital content. These are incredibly easy to bypass, on multiple levels. this will never work (the international agreement).


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Re: Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement [Re: falsereality]
    #23459602 - 07/20/16 12:58 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

This is old old old.


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Re: Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement [Re: PatrickKn] * 1
    #23460600 - 07/20/16 08:16 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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This is old old old.




Yup, I'm just super interested in facial recog and data analysis. Just saying this bill was designed by people(s) born with a platinum dildo in their ass. It's not going to work, at all. IT guys like myself have virtually a million ways to get around data fingerprinting and recog because we're the ones designing the detection software :rofl:.


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Re: Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement [Re: falsereality]
    #23461763 - 07/21/16 06:41 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

If I rip a cd and make mp3 files will it have the same fingerprint as an mp3 downloaded off amazon?

I have music from lots of sources FLAC files download legally from hdtracks.com, mp3 files purchased off amazon.com , FLAC files ripped from cds and bluray audio disks. How can fingerprinting tell which are legal and which are illegal.


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Re: Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement [Re: Sun King] * 1
    #23461809 - 07/21/16 07:09 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Sun King said:
If I rip a cd and make mp3 files will it have the same fingerprint as an mp3 downloaded off amazon?

I have music from lots of sources FLAC files download legally from hdtracks.com, mp3 files purchased off amazon.com , FLAC files ripped from cds and bluray audio disks. How can fingerprinting tell which are legal and which are illegal.




Rest assured that they dont give a single fuck about you ripping cds


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Re: Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement [Re: howsyournaggerdoin]
    #23462027 - 07/21/16 08:47 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

That wasn't the question.


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Re: Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement [Re: Sun King]
    #23462058 - 07/21/16 08:59 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Sun King said:
If I rip a cd and make mp3 files will it have the same fingerprint as an mp3 downloaded off amazon?

I have music from lots of sources FLAC files download legally from hdtracks.com, mp3 files purchased off amazon.com , FLAC files ripped from cds and bluray audio disks. How can fingerprinting tell which are legal and which are illegal.




From what I can tell, technologies exist that do not depend on file hashes.

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https://www.digimarc.com/docs/default-source/technology-resources/white-papers/rhozet_wp_fingerprinting_watermarking.pdf


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Re: Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement [Re: Sun King]
    #23463388 - 07/21/16 05:42 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Sun King said:
If I rip a cd and make mp3 files will it have the same fingerprint as an mp3 downloaded off amazon?

I have music from lots of sources FLAC files download legally from hdtracks.com, mp3 files purchased off amazon.com , FLAC files ripped from cds and bluray audio disks. How can fingerprinting tell which are legal and which are illegal.




Impossible to know from your first question, they could be the same exact file provided by a third party, but we don't use raw data to analyze and fingerprint songs, a program would look for broad patterns. Either way, no one would care about you ripping songs. As long as you aren't sharing/spreading illegal content no one gives a fuck and the laws surrounding downloading illegal content are, complex...

This is a really technical question under the surface... basically, this is how fingerprinting works: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fingerprint_(computing)

Oh, and fingerprinting can't tell you you have an illegal file on your computer, it can only compare your file with multiple other files -- and those files would have to be accessed from a relatively secure portion of your computer.

TL:DR; you have nothing to worry about!


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Re: Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement [Re: falsereality]
    #23465028 - 07/22/16 06:53 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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this is how fingerprinting works: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fingerprint_(computing)





Computing is the operative term; fingerprinting, as it is used to uniquely identify data and files, is ineffective at best for the purpose of identifying content. If this discussion is pertaining to Anti-Counterfeiting and Copyright-Infringement, focus on Audio and Video fingerprinting would be more germane, as these methods do not rely on bitwise hashing functions to uniquely identify content.

This paper goes in to greater detail regarding Audio Fingerprinting.

Below is an excerpt explaining why bitwise hashing functions is not a reliable means for identifying content (emphasis mine)

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A source of difficulty when automatically identifying audio content derives from its high dimensionality, the significant variance of the audio data for perceptually similar content and the necessity to efficiently compare the fingerprint with a huge collection of registered fingerprints. The simplest approach that one may think of the direct comparison of the digitalized waveform is neither efficient nor effective. A more efficient implementation of this approach could use a hash method, such as MD5 (Message Digest 5) or CRC (Cyclic Redundancy Checking), to obtain a compact representation of the binary file. In this setup, one compares the hash values instead of the whole files. However, hash values are fragile, a single bit flip is sufficient for the hash to completely change. Of course this setup is not robust to compression or minimal distortions of any kind and, in fact, it cannot be considered as content-based identification since it does not consider the content, understood as information, just the bits.

An ideal fingerprinting system should fulfill several requirements. It should be able to accurately identify an item, regardless of the level of compression and distortion or interference in the transmission channel. Depending on the application, it should be able to identify the titles from excerpts of only a few seconds. The fingerprinting system should also be computationally efficient. Efficiency is critical in a real application both in the calculation of the fingerprint of the unknown audio and, even more so, in the search for a best match in huge repository of fingerprints.This computational cost is related to the size of the fingerprints, the complexity of the search algorithm and the complexity of the fingerprint extraction.




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