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lukehighwalker710
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Re: APE Micro Pocket Mono (153rd scale 66qt) [Re: Frommer]
#23473349 - 07/24/16 07:34 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah, I did not consider the strain when I said that haha makes my prediction seem real obvious, but not related to the reasons I assumed lol. I am still curious about that though, and I also would definitely like to see another strain (like B+) run in that tub to see what happens.
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It's not the first time growers report that their shrooms hit the lid. Just last week, it happened to pasty with his clone grow-log. Uncle rico, who grew the largest shroom most of us have ever seen had a lot of them hit the lid in the same tub. My martinique on coir grows really short, even though the tub is quite large. It's all genetics to some extent. As chief said, when subs are too small (like a couple of grains worth), you can't expect much. Although I wonder if they would have grown more in chief's case if they were given a good amount of water. I've seen a pic a few days ago of a few ovoids (maybe 4-5) growing off a small, soggy piece of wood and they were quite large. Each of them were as long as the stick they were growing on.
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Re: APE Micro Pocket Mono (153rd scale 66qt) [Re: Supalemonhaze]
#23473399 - 07/24/16 07:54 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Oh yeah, for sure. But my line of thinking is: in a normal mono or even a mini (by that I mean 20-30qt) there is a lot of room for the fruits to stretch to hit the lid. That tiny of a tub, the fruits will hit the lid quite quickly and I'm curious if they are more likely to continue to push against the lid and bend and warp to get bigger despite not having the headspace, or just pop out more fruits that all hit the lid.
But there, I'm assuming that the mushroom is adaptive to its environment which could be very wrong. Just a prediction I wanted to see played out. But more likely genetics is just the key to EVERYTHING.
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Edited by lukehighwalker710 (07/24/16 07:59 PM)
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Re: APE Micro Pocket Mono (153rd scale 66qt) [Re: Supalemonhaze]
#23473402 - 07/24/16 07:55 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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My last two shroom flush and the one I plucked today, both hit the lid. One BRF cake spawned to either a 6 or 7qt tub. All three shrooms I've gotten off the second and third flush were over 9 inches long. Once it hits the lid, it bends oddly at the stem. The one today fell completely over taking a chunk of sub with it
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Re: APE Micro Pocket Mono (153rd scale 66qt) [Re: Moabfighter]
#23473507 - 07/24/16 08:24 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: APE Micro Pocket Mono (153rd scale 66qt) [Re: fahtster]
#23474270 - 07/25/16 01:32 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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3 days of colonization, ready to case and fruit.

Extremely light 50/50+ pH buffed casing applied and given a nice mist.

Polyfill tight in bottom, loose in top.

Fruiting.

Cool bonus picture, notice the myc clinging to the liner just like a full sized mono.

This is roughly the same fruiting method I used growing this culture before, albeit the colonization time was quite a bit shorter and the scale is a LOT smaller. Things seem to be going as planned. Now we wait. 
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Edited by TheChief (07/25/16 01:34 AM)
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Re: APE Micro Pocket Mono (153rd scale 66qt) [Re: TheChief]
#23474678 - 07/25/16 07:47 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Monotub action figurine?! This is hilarious!
I love how the overhead pictures look almost identical to a full-size mono. I can't wait till a shroom with a stalk half the size of the tub pops out of there haha.
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Quote:
lukehighwalker710 said: Oh yeah, for sure. But my line of thinking is: in a normal mono or even a mini (by that I mean 20-30qt) there is a lot of room for the fruits to stretch to hit the lid. That tiny of a tub, the fruits will hit the lid quite quickly and I'm curious if they are more likely to continue to push against the lid and bend and warp to get bigger despite not having the headspace, or just pop out more fruits that all hit the lid.
But there, I'm assuming that the mushroom is adaptive to its environment which could be very wrong. Just a prediction I wanted to see played out. But more likely genetics is just the key to EVERYTHING.
IME, they will bend and zigzag, if they were going to be growing more, anyways. take a look at this jar i left colonizing way too long:


it had no space at all, but wanted to keep growing, so it curled and twisted around.
i agree with supa that if some of these smaller fruit pics ha more water, then they might have continued to get bigger. i have seen some outdoor mushies grow on a tiny piece of a twig in the ground, but(assuming) since it had water to give, the fruit grew very large, relative to what it grew on.
like chief said, the amount of sub is probably what matters, as well as the water content that it can give to the fruits. that plus genetics. i really doubt the amount of head room it has to grow attributes all that much, IMO. otherwise we wouldnt have shrooms growing on the bottom of peoples tubs, you know?
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Re: APE Micro Pocket Mono (153rd scale 66qt) [Re: magicMerlin]
#23475096 - 07/25/16 10:30 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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magicMerlin said: Monotub action figurine?! This is hilarious!
I love how the overhead pictures look almost identical to a full-size mono. I can't wait till a shroom with a stalk half the size of the tub pops out of there haha.

Look like the FAE is working just like a full size too, got perfect condensation around the poly on walls. Actually I may have to tighten them up a bit to dial it in better. 

Some more size comparison fruiting on top of one my 16L tubs.
Edited by TheChief (07/25/16 10:42 AM)
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Re: APE Micro Pocket Mono (153rd scale 66qt) [Re: TheChief]
#23475138 - 07/25/16 10:45 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I had a pin on a plate that did the same as your first pic muppet. Darn thing hit the lid, turned almost 90degrees, kept growing, hit the side, bended a bit and kept growing pressed against the side of the plate. Almost made it 1/4 of the way round before it opened it's cap and sporesploded on itself. I haven't yet had a culture that pins so readily on agar as this martinique. It just loves to spread the love.
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Re: APE Micro Pocket Mono (153rd scale 66qt) [Re: TheChief]
#23475139 - 07/25/16 10:45 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I love that thing. So hilarious. Perfect for APE IMO.
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Re: APE Micro Pocket Mono (153rd scale 66qt) [Re: TheChief]
#23475141 - 07/25/16 10:46 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Looks excellent! Fuck ya chief
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Re: APE Micro Pocket Mono (153rd scale 66qt) [Re: Supalemonhaze]
#23475229 - 07/25/16 11:20 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Supalemonhaze said: I had a pin on a plate that did the same as your first pic muppet. Darn thing hit the lid, turned almost 90degrees, kept growing, hit the side, bended a bit and kept growing pressed against the side of the plate. Almost made it 1/4 of the way round before it opened it's cap and sporesploded on itself. I haven't yet had a culture that pins so readily on agar as this martinique. It just loves to spread the love.
dude, that is how these Ecuadorians i have are. every damn palte i make will pin, if i leave it after the transfer. as soon as the myc hits the edge of the plate, it wont be but about a week, and then pins form and grow to maturity until shitting their panties.
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Re: APE Micro Pocket Mono (153rd scale 66qt) [Re: mupetmower]
#23477516 - 07/26/16 02:22 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Mine still has to consolidate for a week or so before pinning. All my other varieties need to sit there for weeks, sometimes months before they pin. I need to try with a regular agar batch, I mostly use a nutrient poor recipe so that might be the reason why mine take so long to pin. The martinique will start pinning on grains right after full colonization, much like you described.
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Re: APE Micro Pocket Mono (153rd scale 66qt) [Re: Supalemonhaze]
#23477950 - 07/26/16 07:50 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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yeah, i use PDA, and sometimes overdue the amounts, so mine are most likely over-nutritious, whcih could be the reason min pin so often and so well.
just got some MEA, so will be making plates from that very soon, so im able to switch up their diet.
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lukehighwalker710 said:That tiny of a tub, the fruits will hit the lid quite quickly and I'm curious if they are more likely to continue to push against the lid and bend and warp to get bigger despite not having the headspace, or just pop out more fruits that all hit the lid.
This is an old low tub I had that did just bend over. It was KS
   
This is a more recent one, burma, hit the lid and then the stem started to twist/buckle more than it had already.

Edited by blackout (07/26/16 01:21 PM)
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Re: APE Micro Pocket Mono (153rd scale 66qt) [Re: blackout]
#23478726 - 07/26/16 01:21 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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yeah, this ^
that is what i was trying to explain.
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Re: APE Micro Pocket Mono (153rd scale 66qt) [Re: mupetmower]
#23478793 - 07/26/16 01:40 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah, I don't think head space plays much role in how big they get. Substrate on the other hand definitely does.
The questions I want to know is when and how does substrate size take on the role of causing fewer, and or smaller mushrooms? I assume your pinset would be lesser before it causes smaller shrooms. When you get those micro shrooms it usually is just one, off of a very small substrate.
The micro shrooms are likely a last resort to get some spores out, the substrate probably has to be much smaller than this to see them. I'm betting this micro tub will put out a few normal size fruits, just being limited on water reserves and nutrients, it should be enough for a few normal ones. In a bigger tub it is known to have a dense pinset like in the picture I posted, I don't think this substrate can support that.
We shall soon see. Still looking good, I tightened the poly up because it looked to be getting too much FAE and may have dried out if I left it like that.
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Re: APE Micro Pocket Mono (153rd scale 66qt) [Re: TheChief]
#23478835 - 07/26/16 01:50 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I think the limiting factor on sub size and fruit size is genetics and water supply. Big genetics will abort or come out small with less water. Small subs can still make big fruits with bottom watering or eXtra supplied water. Water is the ultimate limiting factor IMO.
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Re: APE Micro Pocket Mono (153rd scale 66qt) [Re: Pastywhyte]
#23478862 - 07/26/16 01:57 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I may try to bottom water this thing at some point to see how much extra you can get out of it, I was thinking about that too, Pasty. I think this run I just mist when look like it need though, we will see how much it can produce off basically just initial prep water.
So you think the fruits will come out smaller then, Pasty? Should still be a good pinset? APE also normally abort and turn blue at some point anyway, this may not be the best culture to get test information on this subject. Should still be cool to see what happens, may be some interesting results.
Edited by TheChief (07/26/16 02:15 PM)
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