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'Chemtrails' are real - confirmed by John Brennan, Director of the CIA * 5
    #23462719 - 07/21/16 01:54 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Basically confirming what I've been reading for the past few years, it is part of a larger process called "Geoengineering" and the exact process is referred to as "Stratospheric Aerosol Injection"

It's part of a project allegedly to fight global warming.


see for yourself.


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Re: 'Chemtrails' are real - confirmed by John Brennan, Director of the CIA [Re: 404]
    #23462728 - 07/21/16 01:58 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I have been watching chem trails and cloud seeding happening for years...

Always thought it was sad how in denial many people are about it.

All the ridiculous conspiracies around it don't get but clearly they are doing something.


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Re: 'Chemtrails' are real - confirmed by John Brennan, Director of the CIA [Re: 404]
    #23462734 - 07/21/16 02:00 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I dont really care about chemtralls but it is interesting. 10 billion dollars a year? What the shit is that.


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Re: 'Chemtrails' are real - confirmed by John Brennan, Director of the CIA [Re: musiclover420] * 2
    #23462736 - 07/21/16 02:01 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

To be fair, I was very skeptical myself about it at first... and one should be unless there is enough evidence to back a change in your opinion or belief or whatever.

Not changing your stance on something when presented with overwhelming evidence stating the opposite is called "Cognitive Dissonance"


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Re: 'Chemtrails' are real - confirmed by John Brennan, Director of the CIA [Re: 404] * 1
    #23462752 - 07/21/16 02:10 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Ive never heard anyones opinion on why it's bad or good tbh . I had only read controversy surrounding it and that it was bad. Never once have I heard why it's bad except that it's secret


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Re: 'Chemtrails' are real - confirmed by John Brennan, Director of the CIA [Re: Seriously_trippin] * 1
    #23462762 - 07/21/16 02:15 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Nothing was mentioned about Chem trails. This is a far out description about a programs that has similar characteristics about the famed "Chem trails" that governments are spraying into the atmosphere to control minds and affect human evolution.

this thread is misleading.


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Re: 'Chemtrails' are real - confirmed by John Brennan, Director of the CIA [Re: Anahata] * 1
    #23462769 - 07/21/16 02:19 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Go back to the part where I said they are referred to as "Stratospheric Aerosol Injection"


I mean, that's what anyone would think a 'chemtrail' is, right? seeding aerosol into the upper atmosphere for whatever reason... I don't get how you missed that


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Re: 'Chemtrails' are real - confirmed by John Brennan, Director of the CIA [Re: 404] * 1
    #23462780 - 07/21/16 02:27 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

My main reservations about chem trails are based on:

A: if it is for cloudseeding/ weather control research that seems like it could be sketchy as fuck. It may be developed for "agriculture" and helping places in droughts but humans have a long history of rushing into things trying to make them better only to fuck everything up worse in the long run. So assuming it is being researched for positive purposes I still could see it having unforeseen negative repercussions.

B: I have heard a lot of various stuff about what exactly is being sprayed, most is probably BS but I still don't like the idea in general.


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Re: 'Chemtrails' are real - confirmed by John Brennan, Director of the CIA [Re: 404]
    #23462786 - 07/21/16 02:30 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Go back to the part where I said they are referred to as "Stratospheric Aerosol Injection"


I mean, that's what anyone would think a 'chemtrail' is, right? seeding aerosol into the upper atmosphere for whatever reason... I don't get how you missed that



A classic case of only seeing what one wants to see.


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Re: 'Chemtrails' are real - confirmed by John Brennan, Director of the CIA [Re: 404]
    #23462787 - 07/21/16 02:30 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I'm good man, got too many other things to worry about right now. If it starts effecting me or people I will raise hell but for right now it's just to much digging for no gold. Thanks for keeping cool and all tho, I was worried I might enrage you by underminING your efforts or something.

That's the best way to debate or conversate, I'm glad no insults or anything was brought out. :thumbup:

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Re: 'Chemtrails' are real - confirmed by John Brennan, Director of the CIA [Re: 404]
    #23462794 - 07/21/16 02:32 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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It's part of a project allegedly to fight global warming.




Along with that, have you heard anything about the chemtrails putting up a smokescreen/grid of sorts over the US to prevent/interfere with Russian spy satellite images?


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Re: 'Chemtrails' are real - confirmed by John Brennan, Director of the CIA [Re: Anahata] * 3
    #23462797 - 07/21/16 02:33 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Confirmation from the man. Wheres the people who like denying this? :smug:


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Re: 'Chemtrails' are real - confirmed by John Brennan, Director of the CIA [Re: California]
    #23462836 - 07/21/16 02:47 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Good points. Also, changing the weather in one region has the ability to change things in other areas from what I understand, everything's interconnected. I think the longer video that was made of this address by John hits on some of those points.


Something else - what about feeding into other storm systems, these areas of 'cloud seeding' could strengthen these systems making them even more powerful perhaps?

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It's part of a project allegedly to fight global warming.




Along with that, have you heard anything about the chemtrails putting up a smokescreen/grid of sorts over the US to prevent/interfere with Russian spy satellite images?





I haven't heard about that, but it seems plausible. I know that Lockheed is or was developing an imaging system that could see right through water vapor - I would imagine the russians would be working on similar stuff, but maybe not.


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Re: 'Chemtrails' are real - confirmed by John Brennan, Director of the CIA [Re: 404]
    #23462848 - 07/21/16 02:51 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Basically confirming what I've been reading for the past few years, it is part of a larger process called "Geoengineering" and the exact process is referred to as "Stratospheric Aerosol Injection"

It's part of a project allegedly to fight global warming.


see for yourself.




What the video says: "We have researched a technology that could one day be used to reduce global warming"

What you seem to be saying it says: "We have been spraying "chemicals" into the air for years"


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Re: 'Chemtrails' are real - confirmed by John Brennan, Director of the CIA [Re: NotTheDevil]
    #23462858 - 07/21/16 02:56 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Bro, everythings chemical.


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Re: 'Chemtrails' are real - confirmed by John Brennan, Director of the CIA [Re: NotTheDevil]
    #23462859 - 07/21/16 02:57 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah, they don't mention when the technology was developed, and I don't think he would touch on this. I would also wager they have been testing this... How else would you know if the program actually works? They already have a working projected cost of a fully deployed program if i heard correctly.

Besides, these concepts aren't exactly new... Here's a video by Disney from 1959



Granted... it's a little different than everything that's been talked about in this thread thus far, weather modification is not new


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Re: 'Chemtrails' are real - confirmed by John Brennan, Director of the CIA [Re: NotTheDevil] * 1
    #23462864 - 07/21/16 02:58 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Basically confirming what I've been reading for the past few years, it is part of a larger process called "Geoengineering" and the exact process is referred to as "Stratospheric Aerosol Injection"

It's part of a project allegedly to fight global warming.


see for yourself.




What the video says: "We have researched a technology that could one day be used to reduce global warming"

What you seem to be saying it says: "We have been spraying "chemicals" into the air for years"



Where and what do you think the research was?  I'll give you a hint.  It was researched by spraying chemicals into the air for years.


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Re: 'Chemtrails' are real - confirmed by John Brennan, Director of the CIA [Re: NotTheDevil]
    #23462875 - 07/21/16 03:00 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

404 is hearing what he wants to hear. Brennan doesn't say we are spraying anything.

Chemtrail believers think that discussing potential technologies means we have been doing it for 25 years. It really is the most pathetic conspiracy theory of them all because it reeks of scientific illiteracy


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Re: 'Chemtrails' are real - confirmed by John Brennan, Director of the CIA [Re: koods] * 2
    #23462895 - 07/21/16 03:06 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Chemtrail believers think that discussing potential technologies means we have been doing it for 25 years. It really is the most pathetic conspiracy theory of them all because it reeks of scientific illiteracy




:lolsy:

You do realize many aspects of military technology are decades ahead of what is available to the public right?

But no, it's all just "chemtrail believers..." :rofldrunk:


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Re: 'Chemtrails' are real - confirmed by John Brennan, Director of the CIA [Re: koods]
    #23462897 - 07/21/16 03:06 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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404 is hearing what he wants to hear. Brennan doesn't say we are spraying anything.

Chemtrail believers think that discussing potential technologies means we have been doing it for 25 years. It really is the most pathetic conspiracy theory of them all because it reeks of scientific illiteracy





i'm sorry, but the PNW is ground zero for this.  years of soil samples showing ever-increasing rates of barium and aluminum.  i have multiple friends whose blood tests over the last 3 years show ever-increasing levels of barium/aluminum


i've seen rain-storms dissipate after 10+ trails were sprayed within an hours time



come check it out, brah



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Re: 'Chemtrails' are real - confirmed by John Brennan, Director of the CIA [Re: koods]
    #23462898 - 07/21/16 03:07 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

We often don't hear about things (and for good reason) until MANY years later, such as we are seeing now. The governement tells you shit via declassification when they deem it not harmful to the advanced research projects that the public know about them. This often happens decades after the fact, especially in the case of the CIA.

You're now calling it 'illiterate' when clearly there is some form of science (and government agency, lol) backing this openly.

koods, pls


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Re: 'Chemtrails' are real - confirmed by John Brennan, Director of the CIA [Re: 404]
    #23462899 - 07/21/16 03:07 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Yeah, they don't mention when the technology was developed, and I don't think he would touch on this. I would also wager they have been testing this... How else would you know if the program actually works? They already have a working projected cost of a fully deployed program if i heard correctly.

Besides, these concepts aren't exactly new... Here's a video by Disney from 1959



Granted... it's a little different than everything that's been talked about in this thread thus far, weather modification is not new



You know how well it will work because of the principle it's based on. The CIA is not the only group to have studied it. It's basically making artificial clouds to reflect light. Less light equals less heat on Earth. This has several issues, which were listed in the video. It's the same reason that the earth cools down dramatically after a powerful ash-spewing volcanic eruption. i.e "the year without a summer"


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Re: 'Chemtrails' are real - confirmed by John Brennan, Director of the CIA [Re: NotTheDevil]
    #23462957 - 07/21/16 03:26 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

As has been said previously, localized weather modification such "cloud seeding" has been around a while.

This is vastly different than the conspiracy theorists version that the reptilians are systematically poisoning us with mind control agents.


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Re: 'Chemtrails' are real - confirmed by John Brennan, Director of the CIA [Re: badchad]
    #23462963 - 07/21/16 03:28 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Those types are few and far, but because of it the majority came to the irrational and stupid conclusion that the program itself doesnt exist and the very obvious photos were nothing but contrail formations. Which is stupid, and not whats actually happening. Dumb people let a small exclusive subset colour their idea of the bigger, general population.


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Re: 'Chemtrails' are real - confirmed by John Brennan, Director of the CIA [Re: badchad]
    #23462964 - 07/21/16 03:29 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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As has been said previously, localized weather modification such "cloud seeding" has been around a while.

This is vastly different than the conspiracy theorists version that the reptilians are systematically poisoning us with mind control agents.




As with all conspiracy theories there are bound to be some extreme takes on the matter.

That certainly doesn't discredit all the other possibilities however unlikely many may seem to most people.


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Re: 'Chemtrails' are real - confirmed by John Brennan, Director of the CIA [Re: musiclover420]
    #23462988 - 07/21/16 03:35 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

When i was Microdosing a lot i actually daw the planes as they were chemtrailing...

Once my vision was so good i could see the plane very clearly.

i see Chem trails a lot... it's in plain sight


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Re: 'Chemtrails' are real - confirmed by John Brennan, Director of the CIA [Re: Anahata]
    #23462990 - 07/21/16 03:37 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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I'm good man, got too many other things to worry about right now. If it starts effecting me or people I will raise hell but for right now it's just to much digging for no gold. Thanks for keeping cool and all tho, I was worried I might enrage you by underminING your efforts or something.

That's the best way to debate or conversate, I'm glad no insults or anything was brought out. :thumbup:

I will continue to read your words and ideas.




Basically how I feel about it:
More concerned with all the bullshit hidden in my food and tap water.


But hey maybe they're indeed still testing out chemtrails so they have a backup for when we finally demand clean healthy food... Or at least honesty in consumer information


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Re: 'Chemtrails' are real - confirmed by John Brennan, Director of the CIA [Re: musiclover420]
    #23462992 - 07/21/16 03:37 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

It's a little bit of both they alter weather , but they also put thin and small metals inside that we breathe.

Many of these metals collect and calcify the pineal gland.

oh ye imagine these metals falling in our water and food it's not only through breathing it in.


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Re: 'Chemtrails' are real - confirmed by John Brennan, Director of the CIA [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #23462995 - 07/21/16 03:38 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Chem trails contain thin metals that fall into your food and water. So it's definately a concern...

and these metals bind to your pineal gland.


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Re: 'Chemtrails' are real - confirmed by John Brennan, Director of the CIA [Re: Broly]
    #23463005 - 07/21/16 03:42 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

lol your sig is ironic

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    #23463008 - 07/21/16 03:43 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: 'Chemtrails' are real - confirmed by John Brennan, Director of the CIA [Re: 404]
    #23463010 - 07/21/16 03:43 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

No you're  a towel


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Re: 'Chemtrails' are real - confirmed by John Brennan, Director of the CIA [Re: 404]
    #23463016 - 07/21/16 03:45 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Nowhere in that video does he say that anything is being sprayed.


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Re: 'Chemtrails' are real - confirmed by John Brennan, Director of the CIA [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #23463025 - 07/21/16 03:50 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

No offense Enlil, but it seems like you're just trying to be a dick. Last I checked, staff has said pretty much ANY topic can be discussed in the pub, which begs the question, why the move?


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Re: 'Chemtrails' are real - confirmed by John Brennan, Director of the CIA [Re: 404] * 1
    #23463034 - 07/21/16 03:53 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Right!! I was just about to say that.... it clearly states the pub is laid back discussion on any topic....

This is a valid topic...

change what the pub says or its complete hypocrisy , dictatorship and tyranny...

it's as if something is trying to be hidden hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm


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Re: 'Chemtrails' are real - confirmed by John Brennan, Director of the CIA [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #23463036 - 07/21/16 03:53 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Besides, this isn't a conspiracy... nor is it a cover-up. This is the Director openly saying that Stratospheric Aerosol Injection is a real thing... or would you care to argue with him on it?


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Re: 'Chemtrails' are real - confirmed by John Brennan, Director of the CIA [Re: 404]
    #23463073 - 07/21/16 04:04 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

He doesn't say anything about chemtrails, nor does he say that anything is being sprayed.


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Re: 'Chemtrails' are real - confirmed by John Brennan, Director of the CIA [Re: Enlil] * 2
    #23463105 - 07/21/16 04:13 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

He's reflecting on a contract proposition for an already tested and operational technology, and hes interested in it. What that implies is that the tech is already established and further research into the matter is of interest to him.


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    #23463117 - 07/21/16 04:16 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

The technology is established.  The practice isn't.  The "chemtrail" nonsense is about the claim that persistent contrails in the air are part of a government spraying program.  Nothing in that video supports that claim.


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    #23463125 - 07/21/16 04:20 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

How did they establish it?

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    #23463143 - 07/21/16 04:25 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

That has nothing to do with the chemtrail theories, however.  Testing a technology is a whole different thing from the widespread spraying of chemicals over the U.S.  There is zero evidence of the latter.


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    #23463151 - 07/21/16 04:26 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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The practice isn't.  The "chemtrail" nonsense is about the claim that persistent contrails in the air are part of a government spraying program.  Nothing in that video supports that claim.




What is your definition of "government spraying program?" Because Cloud Seeding is an established practice and has been for years.

I am sure they have at least researched and experimented with some related technologies for a variety of purposes :shrug;


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    #23463164 - 07/21/16 04:29 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Cloud seeding isn't what chemtrail theorists are talking about, though.  Chemtrail theorists claim that the government is spraying chemicals over the U.S. and that persistent contrails are actually the spraying taking place.



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    #23463176 - 07/21/16 04:31 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Stratospheric Aerosol Injection = 'chemtrail'

the term 'chemtrail' is just the colloquial term given by the public to the practice that's suspected to exist, that now is confirmed to be a real concept in Geoengineering - a project that ... actually exists. Why are you having such a hard time with this? It's not some crazy conspiracy that climate change is happening and that governments all over are likely looking for ways to combat this problem.

Another add-on to this project will likely come in the form of 'Carbon-engineering' where carbon is actively taken out of the atmosphere via fans and filters... that technology also exists and is being currently investigated for efficacy in it's implementation.

I made no such claim that these projects or technologies were in any way, shape, form, or fashion attempts by the government to control the minds of the masses or even poison them.


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    #23463180 - 07/21/16 04:32 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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    #23463188 - 07/21/16 04:36 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

If anything when it comes to toxins and chem trails my main concern lies not in some nefarious plot to poison the general population but the concern that while researching cloud seeding and related practices things may get sprayed that shouldn't and could have a widespread negative impact. Either directly or down the line once time has allowed such things to build up and or degrade into dangerous levels of metals heavy metals and who knows what else.


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    #23463251 - 07/21/16 05:00 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Basically confirming what I've been reading for the past few years, it is part of a larger process called "Geoengineering" and the exact process is referred to as "Stratospheric Aerosol Injection"

It's part of a project allegedly to fight global warming.


see for yourself.





I thought this was well known by now... it's still not "chemtrails" in the sense that the U.S. gov is deliberately and maliciously poisoning its own people to keep them docile, but it is controversial for other reasons. It's done to ease the impact of global warming, which is probably a good idea, though I've heard mixed messages on exactly how safe it is...


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    #23463277 - 07/21/16 05:12 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Geoengineering is now humanities only hope of survival.

We have fatally damaged global ecological systems and only radical Geoenginerering can possibly save us from extinction as a consequence.

Assuming it works and we do it right. At this point we have no choice but to try.

The military is well aware of the looming Eco apocalypse and I can only hope there massive budget and secret projects will include some new technologies that can save us from the consequences of ecological tipping points we have blown past in the past two hundred years .


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    #23463329 - 07/21/16 05:26 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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404 is hearing what he wants to hear. Brennan doesn't say we are spraying anything.

Chemtrail believers think that discussing potential technologies means we have been doing it for 25 years. It really is the most pathetic conspiracy theory of them all because it reeks of scientific illiteracy





i'm sorry, but the PNW is ground zero for this.  years of soil samples showing ever-increasing rates of barium and aluminum.  i have multiple friends whose blood tests over the last 3 years show ever-increasing levels of barium/aluminum


i've seen rain-storms dissipate after 10+ trails were sprayed within an hours time



come check it out, brah



fyi, i'm not a conspiracy theorist, by any means



Yeah you are.

Soil is literally made of aluminum, so I have a hard Time believing your claim about that


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Basically confirming what I've been reading for the past few years, it is part of a larger process called "Geoengineering" and the exact process is referred to as "Stratospheric Aerosol Injection"

It's part of a project allegedly to fight global warming.


see for yourself.





I thought this was well known by now... it's still not "chemtrails" in the sense that the U.S. gov is deliberately and maliciously poisoning its own people to keep them docile, but it is controversial for other reasons. It's done to ease the impact of global warming, which is probably a good idea, though I've heard mixed messages on exactly how safe it is...




Well it would decrease the amount of sunlight that reaches the earth. It could have implications for agriculture.


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    #23463362 - 07/21/16 05:34 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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other add-on to this project will likely come in the form of 'Carbon-engineering' where carbon is actively taken out of the atmosphere via fans and filters... that technology also exists and is being currently investigated for efficacy in it's implementation.




You can scrub CO2 out of the air using hydroxides. The problem with this technology is that hydroxides are made from carbonates and to make them releases CO2 into the environment.


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    #23463376 - 07/21/16 05:37 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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That has nothing to do with the chemtrail theories, however.  Testing a technology is a whole different thing from the widespread spraying of chemicals over the U.S.  There is zero evidence of the latter.



I seriously doubt they've tested this stratospheric injection thing either. It's not exactly somethjng that you can test on a small scale. It's theoretical based on data from natural stratospheric injections of sulfur dioxide during volcanic eruptions


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404 is hearing what he wants to hear. Brennan doesn't say we are spraying anything.

Chemtrail believers think that discussing potential technologies means we have been doing it for 25 years. It really is the most pathetic conspiracy theory of them all because it reeks of scientific illiteracy





i'm sorry, but the PNW is ground zero for this.  years of soil samples showing ever-increasing rates of barium and aluminum.  i have multiple friends whose blood tests over the last 3 years show ever-increasing levels of barium/aluminum


i've seen rain-storms dissipate after 10+ trails were sprayed within an hours time



come check it out, brah



fyi, i'm not a conspiracy theorist, by any means



Yeah you are.

Soil is literally made of aluminum, so I have a hard Time believing your claim about that





soil is made up of a composition of minerals, carbon, and organisms


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    #23463486 - 07/21/16 06:09 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

How is that false? Aluminum makes up 8% of the earths crust by weight. It is ubiquitous in the environment. In a one acre field six inches deep, there is about 150,000 pounds of aluminum, in various forms (mainly aluminum oxide and aluminum-silicon oxides)


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    #23463605 - 07/21/16 06:43 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I imagine that volcanic activity in the PNW might have something to do with increasing aluminium in the soil. Could be wrong though.


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other add-on to this project will likely come in the form of 'Carbon-engineering' where carbon is actively taken out of the atmosphere via fans and filters... that technology also exists and is being currently investigated for efficacy in it's implementation.




You can scrub CO2 out of the air using hydroxides. The problem with this technology is that hydroxides are made from carbonates and to make them releases CO2 into the environment.





http://carbonengineering.com/our-technology/

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    #23463656 - 07/21/16 07:05 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I am completely ignorant to Chem trails. "Assuming they're real" What are they exactly and why should I be angry about them?


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    #23465453 - 07/22/16 09:51 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Enlil how can you assume to know everyone's take on chemtrails? I've always thought they are a weather modification attempt nothing more. The weak minded ones who fell for the lizard disinfo is very few and far between. It's just more assumptions on your part in a weak attempt to discredit the truth


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I imagine that volcanic activity in the PNW might have something to do with increasing aluminium in the soil. Could be wrong though.



Soil is made of primarily of aluminum, silicon, oxygen, carbon,and iron. There is no increasing level of aluminum in the soil because it is already the one of the most prevalent elements in soil. There's 96 MILLION POUNDS of aluminum per square mile of earth (six inches deep) you think somebody could ever spray any in the air that would significantly increase the already natural prevalence?


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I imagine that volcanic activity in the PNW might have something to do with increasing aluminium in the soil. Could be wrong though.



Soil is made of primarily of aluminum, silicon, oxygen, carbon,and iron. There is no increasing level of aluminum in the soil because it is already the one of the most prevalent elements in soil. There's 96 MILLION POUNDS of aluminum per square mile of earth (six inches deep) you think somebody could ever spray any in the air that would significantly increase the already natural prevalence?



No, and I don't see why you ask that I think that; but volcanic activity does raise aluminum levels in top soil from what I read yesterday on the topic.


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other add-on to this project will likely come in the form of 'Carbon-engineering' where carbon is actively taken out of the atmosphere via fans and filters... that technology also exists and is being currently investigated for efficacy in it's implementation.




You can scrub CO2 out of the air using hydroxides. The problem with this technology is that hydroxides are made from carbonates and to make them releases CO2 into the environment.





http://carbonengineering.com/our-technology/

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Both the potassium hydroxide [KOH] reactant used in our air contactor and the produced potassium carbonate [K2CO3] are non-toxic, and are in fact used at low concentrations in the preparation of certain foods.









What I'm saying is the production of hydroxides has a huge carbon footprint. Hydroxides are made from carbonates, which releases CO2. Additionally, the reaction to remove CO2 from carbonates is increadibly energy intensive and those energy sources also release CO2.

http://www.ghgprotocol.org/files/ghgp/tools/Calculating%20CO2%20Emissions%20from%20the%20Production%20of%20Lime.pdf


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    #23466685 - 07/22/16 04:42 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

"There is almost no new CO2 produced with this system" is what they are saying. I'm sure the engineers working on this project have factored in those problems, and not that they aren't problems (small problems from the looks of things) - just that they are working on fine tuning what they have.


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    #23467672 - 07/22/16 09:59 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Ok, they're capturing the CO2 generated but that still solve the problem of the CO2 emitted in the production of the energy required to drive the system.

Ok, so I found this figure for the energy requirements for this process.: 0.451 kWh/kg CO2
(To capture one kg of CO2 requires .451 kWh)

According to this https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.cfm?id=74&t=11, the generation of 1 kWh of energy produces about 1 kg of CO2. So, essentially the efficiency of this process is halved. For every 2 kilos of CO2 sequestered, 1 kilo is produced. Of course, if the energy is from nuclear then this doesn't apply.


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    #23467682 - 07/22/16 10:03 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

from the diagram, doesn't the heat drive a portion of the system that produces electricity? that heat coming from some kind of reaction, or whatever the next to far right symbol is on the diagram


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from the diagram, doesn't the heat drive a portion of the system that produces electricity? that heat coming from some kind of reaction, or whatever the next to far right symbol is on the diagram



You have to put heat into the system to break the chemical bonds. That heat energy is absorbed by the chemical bonds, and is not available to generate electricity.

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If you calculate the enthalpy changes for the decomposition of the various carbonates, you find that all the changes are quite strongly endothermic. That implies that the reactions are likely to have to be heated constantly to make them happen.

Note:  If you aren't happy about enthalpy changes, you might want to explore the energetics section of Chemguide, or my chemistry calculations book.

The calculated enthalpy changes (in kJ mol-1) are given in the table. Figures to calculate the beryllium carbonate value weren't available. Remember that the reaction we are talking about is:



MgCO3 +117
CaCO3 +178
SrCO3 +235
BaCO3 +267
You can see that the reactions become more endothermic as you go down the Group. That's entirely what you would expect as the carbonates become more thermally stable. You have to supply increasing amounts of heat energy to make them decompose.

Explaining the enthalpy changes

Here's where things start to get difficult! If you aren't familiar with Hess's Law cycles (or with Born-Haber cycles) and with lattice enthalpies (lattice energies), you aren't going to understand the next bit. Don't waste your time looking at it.

Using an enthalpy cycle

You can dig around to find the underlying causes of the increasingly endothermic changes as you go down the Group by drawing an enthalpy cycle involving the lattice enthalpies of the metal carbonates and the metal oxides.

Confusingly, there are two ways of defining lattice enthalpy. In order to make the argument mathematically simpler, during the rest of this page I am going to use the less common version (as far as UK A level syllabuses are concerned):

Lattice enthalpy is the heat needed to split one mole of crystal in its standard state into its separate gaseous ions. For example, for magnesium oxide, it is the heat needed to carry out 1 mole of this change:






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    #23468467 - 07/23/16 07:24 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Basically confirming what I've been reading for the past few years, it is part of a larger process called "Geoengineering" and the exact process is referred to as "Stratospheric Aerosol Injection"

It's part of a project allegedly to fight global warming.


see for yourself.






the chem trail conspiracy has evolved so what you read isnt the same as how this
horse shit started, it was claimed to have been started in the 90s and that it
caused fictional diseases like morgellans and they were claiming it was
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Re: 'Chemtrails' are real - confirmed by John Brennan, Director of the CIA [Re: 404]
    #23469460 - 07/23/16 02:20 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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I didn't bother to read anything else in this thread, but i'm just gonna write it off as a total conspiracy and ask questions that have already been answered for the most part









and this folks is exactly why these threads get moved to the conspiracy forum


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Re: 'Chemtrails' are real - confirmed by John Brennan, Director of the CIA [Re: 404]
    #23469481 - 07/23/16 02:28 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

There is a better chance the moon landing was faked.

I would dig into that one instead of chemtrailsm I never liked that conspiracy.


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Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
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Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


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