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Re: 'Chemtrails' are real - confirmed by John Brennan, Director of the CIA [Re: koods]
#23465675 - 07/22/16 11:24 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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PatrickKn said: I imagine that volcanic activity in the PNW might have something to do with increasing aluminium in the soil. Could be wrong though.
Soil is made of primarily of aluminum, silicon, oxygen, carbon,and iron. There is no increasing level of aluminum in the soil because it is already the one of the most prevalent elements in soil. There's 96 MILLION POUNDS of aluminum per square mile of earth (six inches deep) you think somebody could ever spray any in the air that would significantly increase the already natural prevalence?
No, and I don't see why you ask that I think that; but volcanic activity does raise aluminum levels in top soil from what I read yesterday on the topic.
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Re: 'Chemtrails' are real - confirmed by John Brennan, Director of the CIA [Re: 404]
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other add-on to this project will likely come in the form of 'Carbon-engineering' where carbon is actively taken out of the atmosphere via fans and filters... that technology also exists and is being currently investigated for efficacy in it's implementation.
You can scrub CO2 out of the air using hydroxides. The problem with this technology is that hydroxides are made from carbonates and to make them releases CO2 into the environment.
http://carbonengineering.com/our-technology/
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Both the potassium hydroxide [KOH] reactant used in our air contactor and the produced potassium carbonate [K2CO3] are non-toxic, and are in fact used at low concentrations in the preparation of certain foods.
What I'm saying is the production of hydroxides has a huge carbon footprint. Hydroxides are made from carbonates, which releases CO2. Additionally, the reaction to remove CO2 from carbonates is increadibly energy intensive and those energy sources also release CO2.
http://www.ghgprotocol.org/files/ghgp/tools/Calculating%20CO2%20Emissions%20from%20the%20Production%20of%20Lime.pdf
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Re: 'Chemtrails' are real - confirmed by John Brennan, Director of the CIA [Re: koods]
#23466685 - 07/22/16 04:42 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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"There is almost no new CO2 produced with this system" is what they are saying. I'm sure the engineers working on this project have factored in those problems, and not that they aren't problems (small problems from the looks of things) - just that they are working on fine tuning what they have.
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Re: 'Chemtrails' are real - confirmed by John Brennan, Director of the CIA [Re: 404]
#23466690 - 07/22/16 04:43 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: 'Chemtrails' are real - confirmed by John Brennan, Director of the CIA [Re: 404]
#23467672 - 07/22/16 09:59 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Ok, they're capturing the CO2 generated but that still solve the problem of the CO2 emitted in the production of the energy required to drive the system.
Ok, so I found this figure for the energy requirements for this process.: 0.451 kWh/kg CO2 (To capture one kg of CO2 requires .451 kWh)
According to this https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.cfm?id=74&t=11, the generation of 1 kWh of energy produces about 1 kg of CO2. So, essentially the efficiency of this process is halved. For every 2 kilos of CO2 sequestered, 1 kilo is produced. Of course, if the energy is from nuclear then this doesn't apply.
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Re: 'Chemtrails' are real - confirmed by John Brennan, Director of the CIA [Re: koods]
#23467682 - 07/22/16 10:03 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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from the diagram, doesn't the heat drive a portion of the system that produces electricity? that heat coming from some kind of reaction, or whatever the next to far right symbol is on the diagram
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Re: 'Chemtrails' are real - confirmed by John Brennan, Director of the CIA [Re: 404]
#23467840 - 07/22/16 11:06 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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404 said: from the diagram, doesn't the heat drive a portion of the system that produces electricity? that heat coming from some kind of reaction, or whatever the next to far right symbol is on the diagram
You have to put heat into the system to break the chemical bonds. That heat energy is absorbed by the chemical bonds, and is not available to generate electricity.
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If you calculate the enthalpy changes for the decomposition of the various carbonates, you find that all the changes are quite strongly endothermic. That implies that the reactions are likely to have to be heated constantly to make them happen.
Note: If you aren't happy about enthalpy changes, you might want to explore the energetics section of Chemguide, or my chemistry calculations book.
The calculated enthalpy changes (in kJ mol-1) are given in the table. Figures to calculate the beryllium carbonate value weren't available. Remember that the reaction we are talking about is:
MgCO3 +117 CaCO3 +178 SrCO3 +235 BaCO3 +267 You can see that the reactions become more endothermic as you go down the Group. That's entirely what you would expect as the carbonates become more thermally stable. You have to supply increasing amounts of heat energy to make them decompose.
Explaining the enthalpy changes
Here's where things start to get difficult! If you aren't familiar with Hess's Law cycles (or with Born-Haber cycles) and with lattice enthalpies (lattice energies), you aren't going to understand the next bit. Don't waste your time looking at it.
Using an enthalpy cycle
You can dig around to find the underlying causes of the increasingly endothermic changes as you go down the Group by drawing an enthalpy cycle involving the lattice enthalpies of the metal carbonates and the metal oxides.
Confusingly, there are two ways of defining lattice enthalpy. In order to make the argument mathematically simpler, during the rest of this page I am going to use the less common version (as far as UK A level syllabuses are concerned):
Lattice enthalpy is the heat needed to split one mole of crystal in its standard state into its separate gaseous ions. For example, for magnesium oxide, it is the heat needed to carry out 1 mole of this change:
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Re: 'Chemtrails' are real - confirmed by John Brennan, Director of the CIA [Re: koods]
#23468070 - 07/23/16 12:31 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thermochemistry just doesn't feel like thermochemistry without ∆.
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Re: 'Chemtrails' are real - confirmed by John Brennan, Director of the CIA [Re: 404]
#23468467 - 07/23/16 07:24 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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404 said: Basically confirming what I've been reading for the past few years, it is part of a larger process called "Geoengineering" and the exact process is referred to as "Stratospheric Aerosol Injection"
It's part of a project allegedly to fight global warming.
see for yourself.
the chem trail conspiracy has evolved so what you read isnt the same as how this horse shit started, it was claimed to have been started in the 90s and that it caused fictional diseases like morgellans and they were claiming it was poisoning us and causing cancer. the whole conspiracy theory on chemtrails is bullshit and it's not the same as geoengineering, this is just another thing the nutters have latched onto in order to falsely claim this shit is real and attempt to validate their nonsense about being the only ones that know the truth
now let me ask, what's the real purpose in this 'geo engineering/chemtrails' conspiracy you're apparently buying into
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Re: 'Chemtrails' are real - confirmed by John Brennan, Director of the CIA [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23469231 - 07/23/16 12:53 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said: I didn't bother to read anything else in this thread, but i'm just gonna write it off as a total conspiracy and ask questions that have already been answered for the most part
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Re: 'Chemtrails' are real - confirmed by John Brennan, Director of the CIA [Re: 404]
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Prisoner#1 said: I didn't bother to read anything else in this thread, but i'm just gonna write it off as a total conspiracy and ask questions that have already been answered for the most part
and this folks is exactly why these threads get moved to the conspiracy forum
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Re: 'Chemtrails' are real - confirmed by John Brennan, Director of the CIA [Re: 404]
#23469481 - 07/23/16 02:28 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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There is a better chance the moon landing was faked.
I would dig into that one instead of chemtrailsm I never liked that conspiracy.
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