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Mad Season
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Why your substrate bruised, and what to do about it 5
#23461134 - 07/20/16 10:54 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Seriously... Every day someone says they got bruising from handling their cakes. or from spraying too closely, or some bs. Why is it that I've never once had it bruise from any of that shit? Starting to think it's a myth, and I'm finally calling the bruising from wet and handled bluff.
This substrate was dropped onto the side of a tray, and was misted heavily up close and personal:

It has no bruising... It has a line where myc got rubbed off, and wet metabolites where I was overmisting a shit ton (this is from way back when I was learning proper misting ).
Your substrate bruised from being dry and then rehydrated. You need to mist the substrates directly, more frequently:
- firstTIMER420
- scrapdog2grand Notice none of the cakes are glistening with moisture
- psillyshrooms Also notice that the mycelium is yellowing, and "dying". It is another indication things got too dry. The mycelium also bruised blue after a mist because it was recovering.
Literally every time I've seen or experienced bruising was because of an area that got dried and bruised.
One thing to note is the spots that are bruised are exposed mycelium that colonized through the verm layer. This means you need to keep that verm layer moist so it won't colonize through as quick, and you need to roll it in a good amount of verm after the dunk. Let it grab hold of the verm layer for 12-24 hours, then begin misting.
How it shouldn't look: (finding the Goldilocks zone)
  These are slightly on the dry side. They need to be MISTED DIRECTLY very briefly. Like a couple passes, a foot or 2 high.
 These are too wet, and going bacterial. Notice the pools of water and thick rubbery mycelium? They need to be cut back on misting for a bit until at a reasonable surface hydration, and increased FAE.
How it should look. Beads of moisture and/or glistening:
Always use a flashlight to look for glistening!
Uncased substrate:
- PussyFart
(just after a misting)
Cased bulk substrate:
  
Cakes rolled in verm:
- stareatclouds
YOU MIST DIRECTLY BASED ON WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE, AND CATER TO THEIR NEEDS, NOT A SET SCHEDULE OF 2-6 TIMES A DAY!
Trichoderma and lookalikes:
Also just to quickly add, for those who find this thread freaking out about trichoderma...
Trichoderma and lookalikes look sandy/granular/mossy. Even their aerial mycelium looks granular and bubbly. Bruising, although can be green, literally looks like discolored mycelium. Trichoderma/trichoderma lookalikes look like this:
- La Flama Blanca This pic shows multiple molds.. Notice they're all granular looking. Even the non-green ones. Those are spores.
- taGyo
 - Google Look at how the mycelium looks bubbly and granular. Not at all like cubensis.
Trich that took over an entire tub:

Hope this helps out people in the future, just sharing my experiences.
Edited by Mad Season (06/06/19 11:27 AM)
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natedawgnow
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Re: My substrate bruised, and what to do about it [Re: Mad Season]
#23461273 - 07/21/16 12:06 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Nice write up man! I see a lot of these bruising threads and some of them are just
Way to set all the newbies straight!
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Re: My substrate bruised, and what to do about it [Re: natedawgnow]
#23461279 - 07/21/16 12:10 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Only time I ever saw bruising that could be attributed to water is when the cakes come out of the dunk. But I completely agree that 99% of the bruising threads we see are from shit being dry as a nuns cunt.
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Mad Season
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Re: My substrate bruised, and what to do about it [Re: Mad Season]
#23461289 - 07/21/16 12:20 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah I've honestly never seen that.. Bruising from a dunk. I've seen it bruise from drying out after a dunk 
I just got tired of always explaining bruising and misting to people. I had to unload it all lol.
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Re: My substrate bruised, and what to do about it [Re: Pastywhyte]
#23461309 - 07/21/16 12:30 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
Pastywhyte said: But I completely agree that 99% of the bruising threads we see are from shit being dry as a nuns cunt.
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Re: Why your substrate bruised, and what to do about it [Re: Mad Season]
#23461564 - 07/21/16 03:35 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
Mad Season said:
Trich that took over an entire tub:

That thing is dry, needs a good misting.
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Mad Season
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Re: Why your substrate bruised, and what to do about it [Re: Supalemonhaze]
#23462337 - 07/21/16 10:48 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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oh wait that isn't from the cracking from handling and from me accidentally spraying it instead of the walls?
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Re: Why your substrate bruised, and what to do about it [Re: Mad Season]
#23463187 - 07/21/16 04:35 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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So from what I've heard you can bruise myc by spraying it too "hard" or directly? I'm just wondering cause I think that happened to me I sprayed my mycelium this morning since it was looking particularly drier than usual and just a couple minutes I notice blue bruising. Now could this be from spraying it or maybe colder water can cause this? Thanks!
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Re: Why your substrate bruised, and what to do about it [Re: psillyshrooms]
#23463290 - 07/21/16 05:16 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Pics?
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Re: Why your substrate bruised, and what to do about it [Re: Mad Season]
#23463350 - 07/21/16 05:30 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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It's still glistening a little since it was sprayed recently.
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Re: Why your substrate bruised, and what to do about it [Re: psillyshrooms]
#23463441 - 07/21/16 05:56 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah none of the mycelium is knocked down, so no you didn't spray too hard directly. It honestly just looks like it got dry, especially since there's the common yellow stained dying myc that happens when mycelium dries out too.. Still even now it's looking kinda dry. The verm looks light, and there's no glistening (though having flash on helps with showing the glistening). It seems like it just bruised as a response because to the water on the drying yellow mycelium. That's at least my opinion.
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Re: Why your substrate bruised, and what to do about it [Re: Mad Season]
#23463463 - 07/21/16 06:02 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Like the dying mycelium made enough of a comeback with the misting to bruise from being too dry.
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Re: Why your substrate bruised, and what to do about it [Re: Mad Season]
#23463812 - 07/21/16 07:52 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
Mad Season said:
oh wait that isn't from the cracking from handling and from me accidentally spraying it instead of the walls?
If you sprayed that directly you would drop dead
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Re: Why your substrate bruised, and what to do about it [Re: Supalemonhaze]
#23857534 - 11/22/16 02:33 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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