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Giving an abused dog shrooms to remove conditioned fear. (UPDATE)
    #23460388 - 07/20/16 07:15 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I recently adopted a senior dog from the shelter. Her estimated age is about 10-13 years old. She seems timid and fearful in general. And the person that works at the shelter told me it is likely that the dog has been abused. I recently read an article on the internet about a study they did with mice that were conditioned to have a fear response by receiving electric shocks. They used low-dose mushroom and the study showed that the mice who received low dose of mushrooms were able to overcome the fear. The study showed the potential of mushrooms to cure PTSD. Here is the link to the study.

http://www.naturalnews.com/041393_psilocybin_psychological_disorders_magic_mushrooms.html

So my question is, do you think its possible to give my dog a very low dose of mushrooms to help her overcome her fear and anxiety? If it worked on the mice, I don't see why it wouldn't work for a dog...

I'm probably not going to do it because I don't want to risk any permanent harm, but I want to know what others think about this. What if I gave her a low-dose and made sure the set and setting is comfortable for her. Do you think my dog can actually benefit from it?

(UPDATE):
No I did not end up giving my dog shrooms. I gave her CBD treats from a company called Treatibles instead. It helped with her anxiety immensely and is 100% safe and actually very good for dogs. Highly recommend it for all pet lovers.

For all the people flaming me for even considering giving my dog shrooms, here's a link on reddit. Very similiar to my situation.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Drugs/comments/2juzvf/my_dog_loves_shrooms/

And for people saying that dogs can't comprehend the trip, that might be true or it might not be true. We will never know because we aren't dogs. But here's a study that shows dogs do have 5HT2A receptors, same as humans. I believe those are the same receptors that the mushrooms target. Even if dogs can't comprehend the experience, it does not mean they won't get the anti-anxiety benefits from shrooms. The mice benefited from it..

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19164223

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Re: Giving an abused dog shrooms to remove conditioned fear. [Re: onepunchman]
    #23460413 - 07/20/16 07:24 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

no don't give shrooms to fuckin dogs


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Re: Giving an abused dog shrooms to remove conditioned fear. [Re: Sheekle]
    #23460435 - 07/20/16 07:31 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

What the fuck...


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Re: Giving an abused dog shrooms to remove conditioned fear. [Re: SonicTitan]
    #23460451 - 07/20/16 07:35 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

There was a study showing that ancient humans use to feed their hunting dogs magic mushrooms to increase their senses for a better hunt.

Can't find it now, it was a good read.


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Re: Giving an abused dog shrooms to remove conditioned fear. [Re: onepunchman]
    #23460456 - 07/20/16 07:37 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I gave my opinion about a similar situation here.

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23410559

The tone of the thread should answer your question.

Just be nice to the dog and love it, that's the only way to help an abused animal.


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Re: Giving an abused dog shrooms to remove conditioned fear. [Re: wigglewak]
    #23460471 - 07/20/16 07:41 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Here i found the link, not saying your should do it though.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22167637/page/2


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Re: Giving an abused dog shrooms to remove conditioned fear. [Re: wigglewak]
    #23460486 - 07/20/16 07:44 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Just be nice to the dog and love it, that's the only way to help an abused animal.



exactly


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Re: Giving an abused dog shrooms to remove conditioned fear. [Re: Teemo 6T3]
    #23460489 - 07/20/16 07:45 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Mmm... You could give it shrooms and i said COULD and I mean like 0.2-0.3 grams a week you could also grind a little weed up and put it in some wet food that worked for my gf's cat


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Re: Giving an abused dog shrooms to remove conditioned fear. [Re: Teemo 6T3] * 1
    #23460491 - 07/20/16 07:45 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

You guys are right. I can't believe I even flirted with the idea. After reading a couple of similiar threads about shrooms and dogs, I decided it IS a bad idea. I guess I didn't take into consideration that the dog has no choice or say in the matter and it would be frightening for them if they started experiencing an altered consciousness without knowing why. It's just sad to see her scared and anxious all the time :/


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Re: Giving an abused dog shrooms to remove conditioned fear. [Re: onepunchman]
    #23460561 - 07/20/16 08:06 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Imagine being a dog and have your owner give you mushrooms unknowingly. She'd probably have no idea what the fuck is going on.


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Re: Giving an abused dog shrooms to remove conditioned fear. [Re: psillyshrooms]
    #23460631 - 07/20/16 08:23 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I'm pretty sure that giving psychoactive drugs to a pet is considered animal abuse by law enforcement.

HOWEVER: If a dog in the wild was to snack on a patch of magic mushrooms it wouldn't be the end of the world. Wild mushrooms are commonly consumed by pigs, deer, rabbits, bugs, etc..


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Re: Giving an abused dog shrooms to remove conditioned fear. [Re: Universe]
    #23460655 - 07/20/16 08:30 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Imagine give a dose of L to your prick boss or an antagonistic person in your life without them know, then sitting back and watching the fireworks lol I often wondered how this would play out, although I'd never do it :chesire:


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Re: Giving an abused dog shrooms to remove conditioned fear. [Re: SyzygisticSoul]
    #23460681 - 07/20/16 08:42 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

shLong told us a really sad story about how he gave a hit of weed to a big dog that freaked out and literally TORE APART another tiny dog limb from limb.

The moral of the story being, NEVER give an animal psychoactive drugs. They could hurt themselves, you, other animals, or you might just scare the living shit out of them.


Don't give drugs to animals. :nojustno:


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Re: Giving an abused dog shrooms to remove conditioned fear. [Re: WeAreMushroom]
    #23460969 - 07/20/16 09:59 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Don't worry guys, i'm not gonna do it. I'm gonna feed her CBD infused doggie treats instead. I heard CBD oil works very good for anxiety for dogs. And they aren't psychoactive, you just get all the health benefits without the high :thumbup:


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Re: Giving an abused dog shrooms to remove conditioned fear. [Re: onepunchman] * 1
    #23461104 - 07/20/16 10:44 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Unpopular opinion: you should do it. Before mushrooms came along I was in a really dark place and I would gladly have been dosed without my knowledge for the opportunity.
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Re: Giving an abused dog shrooms to remove conditioned fear. [Re: JForce]
    #23461268 - 07/21/16 12:02 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

If you show enough love and compassion to the dog you are basically doing the best job you can do.

Giving it mushrooms or any drugs is a horrible idea.

I have seen abused dogs get over their PTSD/fear of humans... But of course a lot of them will never get over it.

That is one thing that always makes me upset... Seeing a dog who is scared of every single human thanks to its original piece of shit owner.


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Re: Giving an abused dog shrooms to remove conditioned fear. [Re: onepunchman]
    #23461373 - 07/21/16 01:22 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

What the fuck.....Why would you even ask this. Go look up Squirrel on shrooms on YouTube then come back and tell us what you want to do


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Re: Giving an abused dog shrooms to remove conditioned fear. [Re: Titans]
    #23461381 - 07/21/16 01:30 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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What the fuck.....Why would you even ask this. Go look up Squirrel on shrooms on YouTube then come back and tell us what you want to do




Chill. I already said I'm not  going to do it. It's not a crime to ask. I'm pretty sure there's people on this forum that thought about giving shrooms to their dogs. At least my intentions are to help the dog, not for laughs.


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Re: Giving an abused dog shrooms to remove conditioned fear. [Re: onepunchman]
    #23461385 - 07/21/16 01:36 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

It's common sense it'll scare them. Their minds aren't able to comprehend stuff like that. It's too complex and they don't need it as well.


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Re: Giving an abused dog shrooms to remove conditioned fear. [Re: onepunchman]
    #23461412 - 07/21/16 02:00 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Giving dogs psychedelics is animal abuse.


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Re: Giving an abused dog shrooms to remove conditioned fear. [Re: nooneman]
    #23461662 - 07/21/16 05:13 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

If my dog gets terminally ill I'm giving mushrooms to my dog in her final days without a doubt. Maybe opiates too.


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Re: Giving an abused dog shrooms to remove conditioned fear. [Re: YeOlde]
    #23461692 - 07/21/16 05:49 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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It's common sense it'll scare them. Their minds aren't able to comprehend stuff like that. It's too complex and they don't need it as well.





what if they can comprehend it, they are intellegent and conscious too
i mean pandas get high willingly and i've heard of jaguars eating ayahuasca voluntarily, not saying he should give the dog shrooms but animals could potentially get similar experiences to those we do from these drugs


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Re: Giving an abused dog shrooms to remove conditioned fear. [Re: SyzygisticSoul]
    #23461695 - 07/21/16 05:50 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)



Apparently some dogs, cats and horses actively search for magic mushrooms and eat them.


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Re: Giving an abused dog shrooms to remove conditioned fear. [Re: onepunchman]
    #23461936 - 07/21/16 08:07 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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I'm probably not going to do it because I don't want to risk any permanent harm



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You guys are right. I can't believe I even flirted with the idea.



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Don't worry guys, i'm not gonna do it.



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I already said I'm not  going to do it. It's not a crime to ask.




I hear you, and I think it's a pretty interesting topic. Ignore the people who will skip over your thoughtful posts so they can profess their own moral superiority with angry comments as if you've decided to torture your dog. 

Animals are probably more suited to deal with naturally growing mushrooms than humans. If humans never walked the earth, Magic shrooms would still have grown and been gobbled down by conscious creatures. Mother nature has it figured out.


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Re: Giving an abused dog shrooms to remove conditioned fear. [Re: onepunchman] * 1
    #23461995 - 07/21/16 08:35 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Don't worry guys, i'm not gonna do it. I'm gonna feed her CBD infused doggie treats instead. I heard CBD oil works very good for anxiety for dogs. And they aren't psychoactive, you just get all the health benefits without the high :thumbup:





This is a super cool idea to go with instead, man.

Props for showing that you really genuinely care about improving the life of the dog. Most people don't feel like animals are equivalent beings to humans.

Everybody on here is gonna flame you for thinking shrooms could have been a good idea, but you deserve recognition for trying to do the right thing.

90% of these hooligans are going to miss the post where you said you were going to go with CBD dog treats instead, and keep flaming you in the comments. Don't let it discourage you. Let us know how it works out with the dog, man.

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Re: Giving an abused dog shrooms to remove conditioned fear. [Re: WeAreMushroom]
    #23462045 - 07/21/16 08:54 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I think people uderestimate what animals (especially dogs can handle). My dog will literally eat anything including other animals like frogs and insects etc. I think they're built to handle some pretty mad shit imo. Probably more than humans.


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Re: Giving an abused dog shrooms to remove conditioned fear. [Re: onepunchman]
    #23462065 - 07/21/16 09:03 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Giving shrooms to a dog....


Hmmmm...it could either go good or really bad!

I am an experimental person, so i would likely do it. Dosing would be tricky, start low!

And if the dog freaked out, then u should feel guilty. i know i would.

I mean, the dog is already tramatized, how more tramatized could it get?


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Re: Giving an abused dog shrooms to remove conditioned fear. [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #23462077 - 07/21/16 09:07 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I would be pretty terrified if I suddenly started tripping balls without understanding what's happening to me or even how. It might traumatize the animal even more. My cat has issues with stress and I found these collars at the store that helps mellow him out. It's supposed to smell like cat milk or sonething lol.


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Re: Giving an abused dog shrooms to remove conditioned fear. [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #23462082 - 07/21/16 09:07 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I don't think a micro dose is gonna do any harm at all. Goes without saying but you don't go and dose em up with an 8th or anything.... 0.5g or something like that.


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Re: Giving an abused dog shrooms to remove conditioned fear. [Re: YeOlde]
    #23462090 - 07/21/16 09:10 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

yah, i think a micro dose is the best bet.

Dont go full eight right out the gate.

Start very small like 0.1 grams, just to see what happens. Then increase the next day to 0.2 grams and so on...


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Re: Giving an abused dog shrooms to remove conditioned fear. [Re: YeOlde]
    #23462102 - 07/21/16 09:13 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I remember one time when my dog was still a pup, he found and tore into my wife's weed sack, eating Everything but the ziplock baggie. I've never laughed so hard in my life, I'm talking heavily sedated and chill, for an animal that normally acts like a muppet of meth.


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Re: Giving an abused dog shrooms to remove conditioned fear. [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #23462107 - 07/21/16 09:15 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

And of course, give the dog choice.

Leave it out, let em sniff it and decide for themselves. That's not really abuse at all. I think there's possibility for benefit on like 0.1-0.5g in this way.

I'm very experimental and curious as a person. I do think a lot of our furry friends and love animals a lot. If I thought that would be harmful i'd never even think of it. But shrooms are naturally occurring and it's documented dogs eat them and have sought them.


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Re: Giving an abused dog shrooms to remove conditioned fear. [Re: SyzygisticSoul]
    #23462123 - 07/21/16 09:23 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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I remember one time when my dog was still a pup, he found and tore into my wife's weed sack, eating Everything but the ziplock baggie. I've never laughed so hard in my life, I'm talking heavily sedated and chill, for an animal that normally acts like a muppet of meth.




That's mad. I mean if we eat weed out the bag it doesn't get us high does it. it needs to be baked in a lipid to make it orally active. But it works for dogs?


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Re: Giving an abused dog shrooms to remove conditioned fear. [Re: YeOlde]
    #23462133 - 07/21/16 09:29 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I dont think 0,1 - 0.5 is a microdose for a dog. That might be true for a human but not necessarily for a smaller animal. Especially because there can be huge weight differences between different dog breeds.


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Re: Giving an abused dog shrooms to remove conditioned fear. [Re: howsyournaggerdoin]
    #23462148 - 07/21/16 09:34 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

0.1g dry would equate to one fresh mushroom I believe. I believe the conversion is a factor of 10.


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Re: Giving an abused dog shrooms to remove conditioned fear. [Re: YeOlde]
    #23462157 - 07/21/16 09:37 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

That used to be my thought on things, when I'd feed my pets table scraps. If it's bad for them, they wont eat it. My cat, Moo Moo, loves raisins. He ate like ten pieces, but I found out they are toxic to cats and could kill them. My other one likes to lick coffee off the floor, and fresh bleach, and plastic. I try my best to keep them from these things, but they practically fight to eat them.


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Re: Giving an abused dog shrooms to remove conditioned fear. [Re: Cherub]
    #23462189 - 07/21/16 09:50 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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That used to be my thought on things, when I'd feed my pets table scraps. If it's bad for them, they wont eat it. My cat, Moo Moo, loves raisins. He ate like ten pieces, but I found out they are toxic to cats and could kill them. My other one likes to lick coffee off the floor, and fresh bleach, and plastic. I try my best to keep them from these things, but they practically fight to eat them.




Yep. My dog will eat anything. Literally. And she does it on her own accord with no prompting. Raisins I hear are bad for dogs too I think it can cause renal failure. My dog loves em. My dog also eats frogs, toads, slugs, snails and insects without a second thought. Some of these things in certain parts of the world are poisonous and psychoactive.


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Re: Giving an abused dog shrooms to remove conditioned fear. [Re: YeOlde]
    #23462216 - 07/21/16 09:59 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

This dog found some mushrooms and had a good experience. I'm not saying to purposely give a dog shrooms, but maybe some actual research should go into this before shunning the idea...


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Re: Giving an abused dog shrooms to remove conditioned fear. [Re: YeOlde]
    #23462347 - 07/21/16 10:55 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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I remember one time when my dog was still a pup, he found and tore into my wife's weed sack, eating Everything but the ziplock baggie. I've never laughed so hard in my life, I'm talking heavily sedated and chill, for an animal that normally acts like a muppet of meth.




That's mad. I mean if we eat weed out the bag it doesn't get us high does it. it needs to be baked in a lipid to make it orally active. But it works for dogs?




I don't know the science behind it, I just know it happened. Here's a similar experience; note: This not my wife or my dog, just an example.



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    #23462945 - 07/21/16 03:21 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Sound like a disaster.... or could be an immense benefit.

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Re: Giving an abused dog shrooms to remove conditioned fear. [Re: Broly]
    #23463141 - 07/21/16 04:24 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Don't. However, try get some THC extract, and add some to it's food, the dogs fur becomes really soft, and it's very good for it.
My dad gives his dogs THC extract in their food, and he's been doing this for almost a year. Also, THC extract has shown to help people with their anxiety and depression as well, so I think it could work on your dog too.

Best of luck with it, I wish you two the best! I love dogs :laugh:


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Re: Giving an abused dog shrooms to remove conditioned fear. [Re: psychobla]
    #23463625 - 07/21/16 06:51 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

  If you decide to, make sure you give your dog some xanax too. There are some dosing guidelines for dogs online, according to weight. I give my 6 pound Yorkie maybe .25 when it's thundering outside and within 20 minutes the little guy goes from a quivering train-wreck under the bed to having a case of the munchies that lasts  4-6 hours. You can be sure that it will be impossible for your dog to have a bad trip. Just make sure you have enough treats or toys around.
  To be more specific, you want to dissolve the xanax in a spoon with water and a pinch of sugar then using a syringe ( spore syringes minus the needle work well for bigger dogs) take it up and squirt it down their throat, or over their tongue where they can't spit it out.


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Re: Giving an abused dog shrooms to remove conditioned fear. [Re: ByCoverOfNight]
    #23463772 - 07/21/16 07:40 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Damn giving an abused dog shrooms your twisted nigga they might not should have given you that dog lmao


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    #23463925 - 07/21/16 08:40 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

So instead of giving her shrooms, I went ahead and bought CBD infused dog treats. The name of the treats is called Treatibles. It's a company that makes these treats specifically for dogs and pets. Let me just say, it works very well! I could definitely see a change in her temperament after I gave her one treat. It seemed to mellow her out and makes her less hyper vigilant and a lot more upbeat. The results are amazing. The good thing about it is the dog can't overdose on CBD so I could give her however much I want but I'm gonna limit it to 2 treats per day. One treat would last about 4-8 hours! I highly recommend for all you pet lovers :smile:


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Re: Giving an abused dog shrooms to remove conditioned fear. [Re: onepunchman]
    #23464050 - 07/21/16 09:21 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

And for all the people flaming me for even considering giving my dog shrooms, here's a link on reddit. Very similiar to my situation.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Drugs/comments/2juzvf/my_dog_loves_shrooms/

And for people saying that dogs can't comprehend the trip, that might be true or it might not be true. We will never know because we aren't dogs. But here's a study that shows dogs do have 5HT2A receptors, same as humans. I believe those are the same receptors that the mushrooms target. Even if dogs can't comprehend the experience, it does not mean they won't get the anti-anxiety benefits from shrooms. The mice benefited from it..

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19164223

Good day.


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    #23464068 - 07/21/16 09:26 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Give a dog a shroom and he'll trip for 6 hours, teach a dog to shroom and he'll trip for a lifetime
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Re: Giving an abused dog shrooms to remove conditioned fear. [Re: SyzygisticSoul]
    #23464104 - 07/21/16 09:35 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Give a dog a shroom and he'll trip for 6 hours, teach a dog to shroom and he'll trip for a lifetime
:breakthrough:




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Re: Giving an abused dog shrooms to remove conditioned fear. [Re: SyzygisticSoul]
    #23464681 - 07/22/16 12:57 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Thats beautiful :justastonishing:


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Re: Giving an abused dog shrooms to remove conditioned fear. [Re: SyzygisticSoul]
    #23468827 - 07/23/16 10:22 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah I don't know if anyone does know the science behind it but I have heard other similar stories about dogs eating weed and getting baked!


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Re: Giving an abused dog shrooms to remove conditioned fear. [Re: onepunchman]
    #23468855 - 07/23/16 10:29 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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And for all the people flaming me for even considering giving my dog shrooms, here's a link on reddit. Very similiar to my situation.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Drugs/comments/2juzvf/my_dog_loves_shrooms/

And for people saying that dogs can't comprehend the trip, that might be true or it might not be true. We will never know because we aren't dogs. But here's a study that shows dogs do have 5HT2A receptors, same as humans. I believe those are the same receptors that the mushrooms target. Even if dogs can't comprehend the experience, it does not mean they won't get the anti-anxiety benefits from shrooms. The mice benefited from it..

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19164223

Good day.




Not everyone flamed you though but yeah. The bottom line is:

1) Give the dog the choice to eat them, done spike the dog.
2) low doses; something they'd likely eat wild. Dry mushroom weights should be multiplied by 10 to get the fresh equivalent. Personally I don't think 0.5g is a bad one.

And good luck in whatever you choose and I hope the dog recovers. It's very sad to read such things but also very good to know people like you exist and are willing to help the dog :smile:


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Re: Giving an abused dog shrooms to remove conditioned fear. [Re: YeOlde]
    #23471027 - 07/23/16 11:54 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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onepunchman said:
And for all the people flaming me for even considering giving my dog shrooms, here's a link on reddit. Very similiar to my situation.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Drugs/comments/2juzvf/my_dog_loves_shrooms/

And for people saying that dogs can't comprehend the trip, that might be true or it might not be true. We will never know because we aren't dogs. But here's a study that shows dogs do have 5HT2A receptors, same as humans. I believe those are the same receptors that the mushrooms target. Even if dogs can't comprehend the experience, it does not mean they won't get the anti-anxiety benefits from shrooms. The mice benefited from it..

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19164223

Good day.




Not everyone flamed you though but yeah. The bottom line is:

1) Give the dog the choice to eat them, done spike the dog.
2) low doses; something they'd likely eat wild. Dry mushroom weights should be multiplied by 10 to get the fresh equivalent. Personally I don't think 0.5g is a bad one.

And good luck in whatever you choose and I hope the dog recovers. It's very sad to read such things but also very good to know people like you exist and are willing to help the dog :smile:




Yeah, I'm saying for all of those who did flame me. Not saying everybody flamed me hahah. Thank you though


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Re: Giving an abused dog shrooms to remove conditioned fear. [Re: onepunchman]
    #23471156 - 07/24/16 12:55 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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So instead of giving her shrooms, I went ahead and bought CBD infused dog treats. The name of the treats is called Treatibles. It's a company that makes these treats specifically for dogs and pets. Let me just say, it works very well! I could definitely see a change in her temperament after I gave her one treat. It seemed to mellow her out and makes her less hyper vigilant and a lot more upbeat. The results are amazing. The good thing about it is the dog can't overdose on CBD so I could give her however much I want but I'm gonna limit it to 2 treats per day. One treat would last about 4-8 hours! I highly recommend for all you pet lovers :smile:




Man fuck some cbd treats.  I understand if you think it has health benefits.  Who knows if this cbd extract could be contaminated.  (something they sprayed on the mj originally or anything.)  I personally took a massive dose of cbd myself, with no thc.  I literally had no effect.  No mental or physical effect.  IMO, if it doesn't affect me at a high dosage at all, it won't affect your dog.  So I'm pretty sure your dogs improved mental state is not due to cbd's.  I bet you all are placebo'd.  Just show your dog some love.  If you still feel the need to test drugs on your dog, just know that it is now a guinea pig.  I can't speak on the effects of psychedelics on dogs.


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    #23473273 - 07/24/16 07:03 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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So instead of giving her shrooms, I went ahead and bought CBD infused dog treats. The name of the treats is called Treatibles. It's a company that makes these treats specifically for dogs and pets. Let me just say, it works very well! I could definitely see a change in her temperament after I gave her one treat. It seemed to mellow her out and makes her less hyper vigilant and a lot more upbeat. The results are amazing. The good thing about it is the dog can't overdose on CBD so I could give her however much I want but I'm gonna limit it to 2 treats per day. One treat would last about 4-8 hours! I highly recommend for all you pet lovers :smile:




Man fuck some cbd treats.  I understand if you think it has health benefits.  Who knows if this cbd extract could be contaminated.  (something they sprayed on the mj originally or anything.)  I personally took a massive dose of cbd myself, with no thc.  I literally had no effect.  No mental or physical effect.  IMO, if it doesn't affect me at a high dosage at all, it won't affect your dog.  So I'm pretty sure your dogs improved mental state is not due to cbd's.  I bet you all are placebo'd.  Just show your dog some love.  If you still feel the need to test drugs on your dog, just know that it is now a guinea pig.  I can't speak on the effects of psychedelics on dogs.




Why would it be contaminated? They extract the CBD from hemp. I think you are being a little paranoid. As for CBD not working on you, maybe thats just you? Or maybe you got fake CBD, since there are a lot of companies making fake CBD. You have to find a trusted source.  I know plenty of people who benefited from using CBD vape oil. There are cases where CBD actually destroys cancer cells. Do your research before saying something doesn't work. And it's funny you say CBD doesn't work on my dog and that it's just a placebo. Were you there to observe my dog's behavior before and after receiving cbd treats? Nope, don't think so. If you weren't there how can you jump to conclusion saying it's just a placebo? I gave my dog normal treats and she didn't react the way she did with the CBD treats. Oh yeah my dog is now a guinea pig because I gave her CBD-infused DOGGIE treats, specifically made for DOGS from a company that loves dogs. Lol get out of here with that crap.


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Re: Giving an abused dog shrooms to remove conditioned fear. [Re: onepunchman]
    #23474713 - 07/25/16 08:07 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I said I understand if you think it has health benefits.  I can't speak on the cancer cell stuff.  Many supplements and extracts are contaminated though. 
I also did not say your dog was a guinea pig, for giving it cbd treats.  I was saying if you give it psychedelics (like the title of your thread), it's a guinea pig.

I've had dumbass buddies who said they got high off cbd.  I personally have tried multiple cbd extracts, and even extracted my own.  cbds alone have had no effect on me whatsoever, that I could feel, even when taking that massive dose.  They did not make me happier, or mellow.  So I still think you all are placebo'd.  Your dog could be happy after taking them from having attention recently or anything.  I just feel like if a massive dose doesn't make me feel different, it won't make a dog feel different.  So any effects your dog is getting from the cbd treats is a purely medical effect, that I don't believe will noticably affect its mood.


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    #23474794 - 07/25/16 08:47 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

CBD has a massive effect for me, especially mixed with a minor amount of thc(how it's suppose to be used, they perform best in conjunction). Anti anxiety, vasorelaxant very apparent effects especially on psychedelics


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    #28590878 - 12/20/23 06:33 AM (1 month, 9 days ago)

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Don't worry guys, i'm not gonna do it. I'm gonna feed her CBD infused doggie treats instead. I heard CBD oil works very good for anxiety for dogs. And they aren't psychoactive, you just get all the health benefits without the high :thumbup:



Did you try it? I'm thinking about giving CBD for my dog's anxiety.
Also, should I take into account her other health issues? She also has dermatitis. I've already found a good vet in my area via petsylife.com and I'll ask this question before giving CBD to my dog, but it woukd be great to learn from the experience of others.


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Re: Giving an abused dog shrooms to remove conditioned fear. [Re: lisaj]
    #28592189 - 12/21/23 02:18 AM (1 month, 8 days ago)

I think I read somewhere that dogs and animals like shrooms! Don't think it would effect them like it does us (knowing for whom the bell tolls as Frasier once put it) but, obviously, I wouldn't test out the theory!

I remember once when I was walking my friends dog. I had been drinking and was tripping on shrooms. I ended up vomiting, and dogs being dogs the greedy thing/Husky proceeded to eat my vomit!

A while later the dog suddenly bolted and we couldn't find her anywhere! Then I remembered she had eaten my sick and we assumed she was lost/tripping somewhere out of her mind!

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    #28592201 - 12/21/23 02:43 AM (1 month, 8 days ago)

Discuss that with your vet maybe. It's better to be safe and ensure you're making the right choices for your pet's health. If your furry friend is dealing with skin issues, to buy apoquel online canada could be a viable solution. Engaging in a conversation with the vet allows for a personalized approach, considering your pet's specific needs and any potential interactions between medications and diet. Seeking professional advice is a responsible step in providing the best care for our beloved pets.


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    #28592211 - 12/21/23 03:10 AM (1 month, 8 days ago)

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Discuss that with your vet maybe. Better to be safe




Say what? :smile:

This was a long time ago now buddy! I think my friend shipped his dog off to a 'farm' as well when he left the country! Maybe it was even a real farm but hummm...

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Re: Giving an abused dog shrooms to remove conditioned fear. [Re: onepunchman]
    #28592290 - 12/21/23 05:22 AM (1 month, 8 days ago)

When our dog got old we gave him cbd and it helped him out. He would get anxious and never did before. He was a west highland terrier and 19 years old.
He would just calm down. Wasn't drugged just not having panic attacks.


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    #28592315 - 12/21/23 05:52 AM (1 month, 8 days ago)

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When our dog got old we gave him cbd and it helped him out. He would get anxious and never did before. He was a west highland terrier and 19 years old.
He would just calm down. Wasn't drugged just not having panic attacks.




Terrible thing about anxious pets (like my old cat, or parents dog) is that it almost invariably seems to be the result of evil/abusive previous owners!

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Re: Giving an abused dog shrooms to remove conditioned fear. [Re: onepunchman]
    #28592329 - 12/21/23 06:02 AM (1 month, 8 days ago)

Agreed
My best friend when he passed we gave him cbd also
He was anxious, paranoid and miserable
He refused thc lol
His last month he took thc to eat
It helped
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    #28592780 - 12/21/23 01:45 PM (1 month, 8 days ago)

We give our elderly dog CBD sometimes for stiff joints, definitely helps him, if nothing else but to rest and not move around as much.

I think giving a dog shrooms would be a pretty bad idea, and not fair to the dog.


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    #28596381 - 12/24/23 09:17 AM (1 month, 5 days ago)

if you look on wiki about veternary drugs given to animals it's the same ones as given to humans. a fearful dog would probably do better on tricyclics


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