|
ergoticmandala



Registered: 06/03/15
Posts: 1,256
Last seen: 4 years, 28 days
|
do you guys think nicotine gum is bad
#23459573 - 07/20/16 12:47 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
cus nicotine itself isn't really that dangerous, its just a stimulant similar to coffee, so would chewing it just to give you a bit of an edge for working be a good idea?
|
Kush_Zombie
smug piece of shit



Registered: 10/22/14
Posts: 4,793
|
Re: do you guys think nicotine gum is bad [Re: ergoticmandala]
#23459575 - 07/20/16 12:49 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
I think gum itself is bad.
-------------------- How to get started in bulk: Presto 23-Quart Pressure Cooker BOD's Simple as FUCK Still Air Box PastyWhyte's Easy Agar Tek Munchauzen's Cultivation Video Series How EvilMushroom666 Prepares His Grains (I use jars with Synthetic Filter Discs) What is G2G? (Grain-to-Grain) Damion5050's Coir Tek (I use 5.5 - 6 quarts of water instead of 4. Also ignore step 13 and ignore the monotub completely. The only purpose of this tek is to show you how to make a simple substrate. I also add gypsum to it but not necessary) Spitball's Monotub Tek (A liner isn't necessary but is useful) Use 6500k lights throughout the whole process. When you wake up, turn the light on. When you go to sleep turn the light off. It's as simple as that.
|
Apostle
Philanthropist



Registered: 12/12/09
Posts: 31,501
Loc: FL
Last seen: 1 year, 24 days
|
Re: do you guys think nicotine gum is bad [Re: ergoticmandala]
#23459576 - 07/20/16 12:49 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
i got nothing from it
|
ergoticmandala



Registered: 06/03/15
Posts: 1,256
Last seen: 4 years, 28 days
|
Re: do you guys think nicotine gum is bad [Re: ergoticmandala]
#23459578 - 07/20/16 12:50 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
like will it increase chances of anything? for example mouth cancer
|
ergoticmandala



Registered: 06/03/15
Posts: 1,256
Last seen: 4 years, 28 days
|
Re: do you guys think nicotine gum is bad [Re: ergoticmandala]
#23459582 - 07/20/16 12:50 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
I think gum itself is bad.
its like sugarless
|
Kush_Zombie
smug piece of shit



Registered: 10/22/14
Posts: 4,793
|
Re: do you guys think nicotine gum is bad [Re: ergoticmandala]
#23459587 - 07/20/16 12:52 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
Aspartame doesn't need sugar.
I'm sure it can't be healthy to chew nicotine gum but I have no evidence or theories to back this up.
-------------------- How to get started in bulk: Presto 23-Quart Pressure Cooker BOD's Simple as FUCK Still Air Box PastyWhyte's Easy Agar Tek Munchauzen's Cultivation Video Series How EvilMushroom666 Prepares His Grains (I use jars with Synthetic Filter Discs) What is G2G? (Grain-to-Grain) Damion5050's Coir Tek (I use 5.5 - 6 quarts of water instead of 4. Also ignore step 13 and ignore the monotub completely. The only purpose of this tek is to show you how to make a simple substrate. I also add gypsum to it but not necessary) Spitball's Monotub Tek (A liner isn't necessary but is useful) Use 6500k lights throughout the whole process. When you wake up, turn the light on. When you go to sleep turn the light off. It's as simple as that.
|
pirate-blues


Registered: 10/15/12
Posts: 13,656
|
Re: do you guys think nicotine gum is bad [Re: Kush_Zombie]
#23459607 - 07/20/16 01:01 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
some people go so far to say that nicotine is actually a nootropic. http://www.brainprotips.com/nicotine-nootropic/
Never really looked into it myself
|
OhMrJohnson
Ashes Against The Grain

Registered: 01/12/14
Posts: 17,544
Loc: Terra Incognita
|
Re: do you guys think nicotine gum is bad [Re: pirate-blues]
#23459638 - 07/20/16 01:12 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
Nicotine itself is one of the most addictive drugs known to man but it's actually no more harmful than caffeine
It has a bad reputation because it's almost always associated with tobacco
--------------------
Diminish the sub-principle and leave its toxic trace.. Once and for all!
|
Morel Guy
Stranger


Registered: 01/23/13
Posts: 15,577
Last seen: 4 years, 1 month
|
Re: do you guys think nicotine gum is bad [Re: OhMrJohnson]
#23459655 - 07/20/16 01:20 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
Ya I don't believe or know of nicotine causing cancer. The patch was debated being used to make opiate painkillers more effective. Nicotine brings a focus and synergy with many other chems.
|
bakerb287
Stranger



Registered: 06/24/16
Posts: 118
|
Re: do you guys think nicotine gum is bad [Re: ergoticmandala]
#23459662 - 07/20/16 01:23 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
It hasn't been around long enough for any good studies to be done. I don't get anything from it.
--------------------
|
OhMrJohnson
Ashes Against The Grain

Registered: 01/12/14
Posts: 17,544
Loc: Terra Incognita
|
Re: do you guys think nicotine gum is bad [Re: Morel Guy]
#23459665 - 07/20/16 01:23 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
First thing I do every morning is get out of bed and take a fat rip of my vape
Instantly brings me to a state of alertness
--------------------
Diminish the sub-principle and leave its toxic trace.. Once and for all!
|
nooneman


Registered: 04/24/09
Posts: 14,564
Loc: Utah
|
Re: do you guys think nicotine gum is bad [Re: ergoticmandala] 1
#23459667 - 07/20/16 01:24 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
Don't get addicted to nicotine. Developing a nicotine addiction is a bad idea in any context.
|
Apostle
Philanthropist



Registered: 12/12/09
Posts: 31,501
Loc: FL
Last seen: 1 year, 24 days
|
Re: do you guys think nicotine gum is bad [Re: Morel Guy] 1
#23459668 - 07/20/16 01:25 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Morel Guy said: Nicotine brings a focus and synergy with many other chems.
Cigs and Heroin is like pb&J
|
PatrickKn



Registered: 07/10/11
Posts: 20,564
|
Re: do you guys think nicotine gum is bad [Re: Apostle]
#23459690 - 07/20/16 01:34 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
Probably wont give you cancer as far as anyone knows. Even the rates of oral cancer from dipping are significantly lower than cigarette cancer rates. Gum even more so.
It is addictive though. It can cause moodiness when you don't have any nicotine on hand, and can be an expensive habit. And it spikes your blood sugar with every use, which can be bad with long term usage or if you have diabetes.
Caffeine is better for focus, and doesn't spike your blood sugar (though it causes dehydration). Don't use nicotine just to use it. I use it daily, but then I'm already addicted to it.
|
Apostle
Philanthropist



Registered: 12/12/09
Posts: 31,501
Loc: FL
Last seen: 1 year, 24 days
|
Re: do you guys think nicotine gum is bad [Re: PatrickKn]
#23459694 - 07/20/16 01:35 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
why not both?
|
Still_tripping
Lord yes!


Registered: 10/07/15
Posts: 747
Loc: A small hot country
Last seen: 7 years, 5 months
|
Re: do you guys think nicotine gum is bad [Re: Apostle] 1
#23459696 - 07/20/16 01:36 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
As far as I know nic has never been linked to cancer. It is quite poisonous in concentration. It is addictive but as most of us smokers know the 2 to 3 days of mild discomfort/anxiety is no big deal and forms only part of the reason cigs are so addictive.
Yes you could chew the gum but it tastes like poop and would raise your level of anxiety more than it would assist you for working. In other words I suspect it would be more of a detriment to work. If you've ever taken too much caffeine then you'll know what I mean, it's not pleasant.
--------------------
|
Kush_Zombie
smug piece of shit



Registered: 10/22/14
Posts: 4,793
|
Re: do you guys think nicotine gum is bad [Re: pirate-blues]
#23459708 - 07/20/16 01:43 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
pirate-blues said: some people go so far to say that nicotine is actually a nootropic. http://www.brainprotips.com/nicotine-nootropic/
Never really looked into it myself 
That would make sense if it's closely related to caffeine (something I did not know until today), but I don't think that would say much on the health risks. That's interesting though.
-------------------- How to get started in bulk: Presto 23-Quart Pressure Cooker BOD's Simple as FUCK Still Air Box PastyWhyte's Easy Agar Tek Munchauzen's Cultivation Video Series How EvilMushroom666 Prepares His Grains (I use jars with Synthetic Filter Discs) What is G2G? (Grain-to-Grain) Damion5050's Coir Tek (I use 5.5 - 6 quarts of water instead of 4. Also ignore step 13 and ignore the monotub completely. The only purpose of this tek is to show you how to make a simple substrate. I also add gypsum to it but not necessary) Spitball's Monotub Tek (A liner isn't necessary but is useful) Use 6500k lights throughout the whole process. When you wake up, turn the light on. When you go to sleep turn the light off. It's as simple as that.
|
musiclover420
psychonaut



Registered: 11/06/12
Posts: 19,563
Loc: PNW
Last seen: 2 years, 5 months
|
Re: do you guys think nicotine gum is bad [Re: Kush_Zombie]
#23459728 - 07/20/16 01:54 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Kush_Zombie said: Aspartame doesn't need sugar.
I find it strange they add phenethylamine lots of gum now a days, they call it phenethylakinetics or something.
-------------------- Don't worry about me, I've got all that I need. And I'm singing my song to the sky You know how it feels, With the breeze of the sun in your eyes. Not minding that time's passing by I've got all and more, My smile, just as before. Is all that I carry with me I talk to myself, I need nobody else. I'm lost and I'm mine, yes I'm free
|
OhMrJohnson
Ashes Against The Grain

Registered: 01/12/14
Posts: 17,544
Loc: Terra Incognita
|
Re: do you guys think nicotine gum is bad [Re: Kush_Zombie]
#23459736 - 07/20/16 01:57 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
I've been addicted to nicotine for over 6 years
The only difference is now I don't have to coat my lungs with cancerous tar to get my fix
Ever since I switched to vaping around one and a half years ago my respiratory system has done a complete rebound and I can tell it has been cleaning itself out and continues to do so
--------------------
Diminish the sub-principle and leave its toxic trace.. Once and for all!
|
Kush_Zombie
smug piece of shit



Registered: 10/22/14
Posts: 4,793
|
Re: do you guys think nicotine gum is bad [Re: musiclover420]
#23459795 - 07/20/16 02:23 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
musiclover420 said:
Quote:
Kush_Zombie said: Aspartame doesn't need sugar.
I find it strange they add phenethylamine lots of gum now a days, they call it phenethylakinetics or something.
I find many things about our food system strange to say the least.
-------------------- How to get started in bulk: Presto 23-Quart Pressure Cooker BOD's Simple as FUCK Still Air Box PastyWhyte's Easy Agar Tek Munchauzen's Cultivation Video Series How EvilMushroom666 Prepares His Grains (I use jars with Synthetic Filter Discs) What is G2G? (Grain-to-Grain) Damion5050's Coir Tek (I use 5.5 - 6 quarts of water instead of 4. Also ignore step 13 and ignore the monotub completely. The only purpose of this tek is to show you how to make a simple substrate. I also add gypsum to it but not necessary) Spitball's Monotub Tek (A liner isn't necessary but is useful) Use 6500k lights throughout the whole process. When you wake up, turn the light on. When you go to sleep turn the light off. It's as simple as that.
|
musiclover420
psychonaut



Registered: 11/06/12
Posts: 19,563
Loc: PNW
Last seen: 2 years, 5 months
|
Re: do you guys think nicotine gum is bad [Re: Kush_Zombie] 1
#23459820 - 07/20/16 02:34 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
Can't argue with that! Touche. Aspartame is weird enough but so are the hundreds to thousands of other random additives found in all sorts of crap...
-------------------- Don't worry about me, I've got all that I need. And I'm singing my song to the sky You know how it feels, With the breeze of the sun in your eyes. Not minding that time's passing by I've got all and more, My smile, just as before. Is all that I carry with me I talk to myself, I need nobody else. I'm lost and I'm mine, yes I'm free
|
Kush_Zombie
smug piece of shit



Registered: 10/22/14
Posts: 4,793
|
Re: do you guys think nicotine gum is bad [Re: musiclover420]
#23459839 - 07/20/16 02:40 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
Yeah, it's pretty mindblowing. And people just stick it in their mouth without question. I get really simple ingredients so it's whatever I guess. Just kinda sad to see little kids chugging high fructose corn syrup caramel colored beverages.
-------------------- How to get started in bulk: Presto 23-Quart Pressure Cooker BOD's Simple as FUCK Still Air Box PastyWhyte's Easy Agar Tek Munchauzen's Cultivation Video Series How EvilMushroom666 Prepares His Grains (I use jars with Synthetic Filter Discs) What is G2G? (Grain-to-Grain) Damion5050's Coir Tek (I use 5.5 - 6 quarts of water instead of 4. Also ignore step 13 and ignore the monotub completely. The only purpose of this tek is to show you how to make a simple substrate. I also add gypsum to it but not necessary) Spitball's Monotub Tek (A liner isn't necessary but is useful) Use 6500k lights throughout the whole process. When you wake up, turn the light on. When you go to sleep turn the light off. It's as simple as that.
|
funegi
Stranger


Registered: 04/14/11
Posts: 1,063
Loc: lat: right, long: hi
|
Re: do you guys think nicotine gum is bad [Re: Kush_Zombie]
#23459893 - 07/20/16 03:14 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
I've never been a smoker and so im not addicted to cigs. but my buddy is, and is using the gum to try and quit. i tried a piece of his gum and now i will buy nic. gum instead of any other chewing gum. that stuff is awesome tasting!
|
LuSiD enthusiast
Stranger

Registered: 03/14/13
Posts: 4,325
Last seen: 4 years, 9 months
|
Re: do you guys think nicotine gum is bad [Re: ergoticmandala]
#23459902 - 07/20/16 03:19 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
ergoticmandala said: like will it increase chances of anything? for example mouth cancer
Well i know mouth cancer isn't a risk considering nicotine is non carcinogenic.
-------------------- I'm addicted to coke, weed, booze, ludes and speed. Not LSD, you can't get addicted to LSD, it was built by scientists. I ain't got no demons that gonna get woke. In erowid we trust. Just take your damn pills and don't ask any questions, you'll be fine.
|
bass head
Oh... Nice.



Registered: 04/16/14
Posts: 775
Loc: North American Union
Last seen: 7 years, 5 months
|
|
if nicotine was offered in a drink i wouldn't like it. gum has no effect for me. i quit smoking and vaping and i see absolutely no point in chewing the gum. i did try it and it's not worth the money.
-------------------- Steal your bass right off your head.
|
musiclover420
psychonaut



Registered: 11/06/12
Posts: 19,563
Loc: PNW
Last seen: 2 years, 5 months
|
Re: do you guys think nicotine gum is bad [Re: Kush_Zombie]
#23459938 - 07/20/16 03:34 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Kush_Zombie said: Yeah, it's pretty mindblowing. And people just stick it in their mouth without question. I get really simple ingredients so it's whatever I guess. Just kinda sad to see little kids chugging high fructose corn syrup caramel colored beverages.
I have met a lot of crazy kids whose parents let them eat/ drink whatever I ate my fair share of crap as a kid myself but thankfully I realized it and stopped.
-------------------- Don't worry about me, I've got all that I need. And I'm singing my song to the sky You know how it feels, With the breeze of the sun in your eyes. Not minding that time's passing by I've got all and more, My smile, just as before. Is all that I carry with me I talk to myself, I need nobody else. I'm lost and I'm mine, yes I'm free
|
ergoticmandala



Registered: 06/03/15
Posts: 1,256
Last seen: 4 years, 28 days
|
Re: do you guys think nicotine gum is bad [Re: musiclover420]
#23461685 - 07/21/16 05:41 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
love that purple dead head pic bass
|
Buckthorn
Stranger

Registered: 07/25/08
Posts: 4,560
|
Re: do you guys think nicotine gum is bad [Re: ergoticmandala]
#23462001 - 07/21/16 08:38 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
It's bad for teethe
|
OhMrJohnson
Ashes Against The Grain

Registered: 01/12/14
Posts: 17,544
Loc: Terra Incognita
|
Re: do you guys think nicotine gum is bad [Re: Buckthorn]
#23462023 - 07/21/16 08:45 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
The nic gum is designed to make u crave cigarettes more
It's just another way for Big Pharma to make money off people
--------------------
Diminish the sub-principle and leave its toxic trace.. Once and for all!
|
xbloodwhipx

Registered: 02/24/12
Posts: 12,791
Last seen: 4 years, 5 months
|
Re: do you guys think nicotine gum is bad [Re: OhMrJohnson] 1
#23462307 - 07/21/16 10:34 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
I've tried it, dunno if its bad but it seemed to do jack shit for nic cravings.
|
Kush_Zombie
smug piece of shit



Registered: 10/22/14
Posts: 4,793
|
Re: do you guys think nicotine gum is bad [Re: xbloodwhipx]
#23462311 - 07/21/16 10:36 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
Unless it's perhaps not nicotine in the cigarettes you're craving. Idk, just an interesting thought.
-------------------- How to get started in bulk: Presto 23-Quart Pressure Cooker BOD's Simple as FUCK Still Air Box PastyWhyte's Easy Agar Tek Munchauzen's Cultivation Video Series How EvilMushroom666 Prepares His Grains (I use jars with Synthetic Filter Discs) What is G2G? (Grain-to-Grain) Damion5050's Coir Tek (I use 5.5 - 6 quarts of water instead of 4. Also ignore step 13 and ignore the monotub completely. The only purpose of this tek is to show you how to make a simple substrate. I also add gypsum to it but not necessary) Spitball's Monotub Tek (A liner isn't necessary but is useful) Use 6500k lights throughout the whole process. When you wake up, turn the light on. When you go to sleep turn the light off. It's as simple as that.
|
xbloodwhipx

Registered: 02/24/12
Posts: 12,791
Last seen: 4 years, 5 months
|
Re: do you guys think nicotine gum is bad [Re: Kush_Zombie]
#23462319 - 07/21/16 10:40 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
Well I dont smoke I dip but its very possible there is something else in the tobacco that is addictive
|
musiclover420
psychonaut



Registered: 11/06/12
Posts: 19,563
Loc: PNW
Last seen: 2 years, 5 months
|
Re: do you guys think nicotine gum is bad [Re: ergoticmandala]
#23462470 - 07/21/16 11:49 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
ergoticmandala said: love that purple dead head pic bass
What?

I love purple and basses in general
-------------------- Don't worry about me, I've got all that I need. And I'm singing my song to the sky You know how it feels, With the breeze of the sun in your eyes. Not minding that time's passing by I've got all and more, My smile, just as before. Is all that I carry with me I talk to myself, I need nobody else. I'm lost and I'm mine, yes I'm free
|
Asante
Mage


Registered: 02/06/02
Posts: 86,797
|
Re: do you guys think nicotine gum is bad [Re: musiclover420]
#23462498 - 07/21/16 12:02 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
Its very different. Nicotine is a potent vasoconstrictor and acts strongly on the cardiovascular system. Its a very complex drug, certainly not just a stimulant.
Fact of the matter is that nicotine drugs are the biggest killers and caffeine drugs are way less lethal.
If I were to begin again with nicotine, which I won't, I would go for either rapé or mentholated tobacco snuff (Ozona). I have also been tempted by snus but I dont think its for me as the nicotine hit is VERY strong.
-------------------- Omnicyclion.org higher knowledge starts here
|
ergoticmandala



Registered: 06/03/15
Posts: 1,256
Last seen: 4 years, 28 days
|
Re: do you guys think nicotine gum is bad [Re: Asante]
#23462911 - 07/21/16 03:10 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
What?

I love purple and basses in general 
i was saying that i like basshead's picture, the purple dead head skull
|
Moonshoe
Blue Mantis


Registered: 05/28/04
Posts: 27,202
Loc: Iceland
|
Re: do you guys think nicotine gum is bad [Re: ergoticmandala]
#23463429 - 07/21/16 05:52 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
apparently some people are starting to use nicotine gum who has never smoked .
Recent research has shown that not only is nicotine itself not very harmful (the cancer is caused by the tobacco and additives not the nicotine ) apparently nicotine is also not as addictive As we thought, and additives are why tobacco is so addictive .
Furthermore , nicotine has some nootropic benefits .
I have actually considered trying nicotine gum while Writing, even though I have never smoked.
However nicotine gum is very expensive .
--------------------
Everything I post is fiction.
|
Kush_Zombie
smug piece of shit



Registered: 10/22/14
Posts: 4,793
|
Re: do you guys think nicotine gum is bad [Re: Moonshoe]
#23463439 - 07/21/16 05:56 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
I'd rather just microdose on mushrooms before doing something like writing seems like a much cheaper (and probably healthier) solution to me.
-------------------- How to get started in bulk: Presto 23-Quart Pressure Cooker BOD's Simple as FUCK Still Air Box PastyWhyte's Easy Agar Tek Munchauzen's Cultivation Video Series How EvilMushroom666 Prepares His Grains (I use jars with Synthetic Filter Discs) What is G2G? (Grain-to-Grain) Damion5050's Coir Tek (I use 5.5 - 6 quarts of water instead of 4. Also ignore step 13 and ignore the monotub completely. The only purpose of this tek is to show you how to make a simple substrate. I also add gypsum to it but not necessary) Spitball's Monotub Tek (A liner isn't necessary but is useful) Use 6500k lights throughout the whole process. When you wake up, turn the light on. When you go to sleep turn the light off. It's as simple as that.
|
bass head
Oh... Nice.



Registered: 04/16/14
Posts: 775
Loc: North American Union
Last seen: 7 years, 5 months
|
Re: do you guys think nicotine gum is bad [Re: ergoticmandala]
#23463599 - 07/21/16 06:42 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
ergoticmandala said: love that purple dead head pic bass
thanks.. it really captured the essence for me
do you know what the logo is inside the skull?
-------------------- Steal your bass right off your head.
|
MrBlueYoMind
Don't do drugs (Without me)


Registered: 04/27/11
Posts: 3,753
Last seen: 1 month, 26 days
|
Re: do you guys think nicotine gum is bad [Re: bass head]
#23463619 - 07/21/16 06:50 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
I think the idea that nicotine itself is no worse than coffee is an incorrect one when applied to addiction. Nicotine causes more mood swings and greater cravings. Caffeine withdrawal is shorter in duration as well.
Both are addictive and if you have an addictive personality it can be hard to stop once you start either of them.
Nicotine would be riskier since the gum could trigger a relapse to smoking, which is horrible for your health.
If you're not a smoker or into vaping, why would you want to risk exploring such a reality through gum? Don't you see how spiritually bound users of nicotine are to it?
-------------------- Confucius say: He who sticks drugs in butthole has head up ass. EVOLUTION REQUIRES REPRODUCTION
|
Moonshoe
Blue Mantis


Registered: 05/28/04
Posts: 27,202
Loc: Iceland
|
Re: do you guys think nicotine gum is bad [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
#23464286 - 07/21/16 10:27 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
But they also seem to get something out of it, and its almost entirely the cancer and health problems of smoking that make it so grim.
If you could get what you like out of cigarettes without any of the harm, it might be worthwhile?
Certainly more worthwhile than smoking, and many people are willing to literally die to do that, so part of me does want to experience what it is they love about it so much if I can do so without dying of horrible lung cancers, smelling like shit, having yellow teeth, coughing all the time and not being able to run or exercise.
But still, I am happy with my weed and coffee and kratom, but part of me definitely is curious about incorporating some nicotine gum.
--------------------
Everything I post is fiction.
|
Dr.Wongburger
Yes!!


Registered: 08/23/15
Posts: 1,308
Loc: Colorado, USA
Last seen: 6 years, 11 months
|
Re: do you guys think nicotine gum is bad [Re: ergoticmandala]
#23464302 - 07/21/16 10:36 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
That's a great idea! I use a ecig daily. All day. hahahah they sell nicotine gum to "quit smoking" I want to use it just to get my nicotine buzz until I get off work. That's great.. hahhhahah
|
nooneman


Registered: 04/24/09
Posts: 14,564
Loc: Utah
|
Re: do you guys think nicotine gum is bad [Re: Moonshoe]
#23464417 - 07/21/16 11:17 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Moonshoe said: Recent research has shown that not only is nicotine itself not very harmful (the cancer is caused by the tobacco and additives not the nicotine ) apparently nicotine is also not as addictive As we thought, and additives are why tobacco is so addictive .
I dunno, I've been on a vape for a while, and while cigarettes produce faaar more effects (probably thanks to the MAOIs), the withdrawal for me is just as bad with vape as it is with cigarettes. I get all the classic withdrawal symptoms: extreme anxiety, irritability, exhaustion, intense cravings, anger, mood swings, paranoia, etc.
YMMV, but pure nicotine for me is just as addictive even though it doesn't produce nearly as many effects.
That makes me wonder if you could isolate the MAOIs in cigarettes and then put them into something less dangerous, because whatever adds those extra effects to cigarettes is pretty terrific.
|
ergoticmandala



Registered: 06/03/15
Posts: 1,256
Last seen: 4 years, 28 days
|
Re: do you guys think nicotine gum is bad [Re: nooneman]
#23466082 - 07/22/16 01:41 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
That makes me wonder if you could isolate the MAOIs in cigarettes and then put them into something less dangerous, because whatever adds those extra effects to cigarettes is pretty terrific.
or u could just smoke n. rustica sparingly like one would would with potent weed
Quote:
do you know what the logo is inside the skull?
no, what is it?
|
OhMrJohnson
Ashes Against The Grain

Registered: 01/12/14
Posts: 17,544
Loc: Terra Incognita
|
Re: do you guys think nicotine gum is bad [Re: nooneman]
#23466310 - 07/22/16 02:42 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
nooneman said:
Quote:
Moonshoe said: Recent research has shown that not only is nicotine itself not very harmful (the cancer is caused by the tobacco and additives not the nicotine ) apparently nicotine is also not as addictive As we thought, and additives are why tobacco is so addictive .
I dunno, I've been on a vape for a while, and while cigarettes produce faaar more effects (probably thanks to the MAOIs), the withdrawal for me is just as bad with vape as it is with cigarettes. I get all the classic withdrawal symptoms: extreme anxiety, irritability, exhaustion, intense cravings, anger, mood swings, paranoia, etc.
YMMV, but pure nicotine for me is just as addictive even though it doesn't produce nearly as many effects.
That makes me wonder if you could isolate the MAOIs in cigarettes and then put them into something less dangerous, because whatever adds those extra effects to cigarettes is pretty terrific.
You can actually
It's called a NET extraction
--------------------
Diminish the sub-principle and leave its toxic trace.. Once and for all!
|
Adolin




Registered: 06/28/11
Posts: 8,292
Loc: USA
Last seen: 1 year, 2 months
|
Re: do you guys think nicotine gum is bad [Re: OhMrJohnson]
#23466379 - 07/22/16 03:09 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
Nicotine by itself doesnt do anything for me. might be worth checking out if your a tobacco virgin though
|
MrBlueYoMind
Don't do drugs (Without me)


Registered: 04/27/11
Posts: 3,753
Last seen: 1 month, 26 days
|
Re: do you guys think nicotine gum is bad [Re: Adolin]
#23466445 - 07/22/16 03:29 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
I still don't understand why anyone who doesn't smoke and knows smokers and can clearly see how their emotions are dependent upon a chemical coping mechanism would think it is a good idea to develop a nicotine habit.
-------------------- Confucius say: He who sticks drugs in butthole has head up ass. EVOLUTION REQUIRES REPRODUCTION
|
Kush_Zombie
smug piece of shit



Registered: 10/22/14
Posts: 4,793
|
Re: do you guys think nicotine gum is bad [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
#23466544 - 07/22/16 03:59 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
Seriously. It's a topsy turvy world alright.
-------------------- How to get started in bulk: Presto 23-Quart Pressure Cooker BOD's Simple as FUCK Still Air Box PastyWhyte's Easy Agar Tek Munchauzen's Cultivation Video Series How EvilMushroom666 Prepares His Grains (I use jars with Synthetic Filter Discs) What is G2G? (Grain-to-Grain) Damion5050's Coir Tek (I use 5.5 - 6 quarts of water instead of 4. Also ignore step 13 and ignore the monotub completely. The only purpose of this tek is to show you how to make a simple substrate. I also add gypsum to it but not necessary) Spitball's Monotub Tek (A liner isn't necessary but is useful) Use 6500k lights throughout the whole process. When you wake up, turn the light on. When you go to sleep turn the light off. It's as simple as that.
|
OhMrJohnson
Ashes Against The Grain

Registered: 01/12/14
Posts: 17,544
Loc: Terra Incognita
|
Re: do you guys think nicotine gum is bad [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
#23466740 - 07/22/16 05:03 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
MrBlueYoMind said: I still don't understand why anyone who doesn't smoke and knows smokers and can clearly see how their emotions are dependent upon a chemical coping mechanism would think it is a good idea to develop a nicotine habit.
It's because one can never truly understand what one has never been through, kinda the same reason why people who have never taken psychedelics will ever truly understand what it's like to trip, they just know what they have heard, what others have told them.. Not exactly the same thing but it's essentially a similar concept
The vast majority of people hooked on nicotine started at a very young age, and as a result the habit becomes deeply ingrained in their subconscious mind, basically becoming a part of their personality
Sounds crappy when it's laid out like that but I happen to enjoy the effects of nicotine, I wouldn't necessarily consider it a curse unless I didn't enjoy it, which I didn't when I was smoking cigarettes full-time but vaping is a totally different ballpark
--------------------
Diminish the sub-principle and leave its toxic trace.. Once and for all!
|
MrBlueYoMind
Don't do drugs (Without me)


Registered: 04/27/11
Posts: 3,753
Last seen: 1 month, 26 days
|
Re: do you guys think nicotine gum is bad [Re: OhMrJohnson]
#23466761 - 07/22/16 05:11 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
Do you enjoy it when you don't have any ejuice or your battery is dead?
-------------------- Confucius say: He who sticks drugs in butthole has head up ass. EVOLUTION REQUIRES REPRODUCTION
|
Adolin




Registered: 06/28/11
Posts: 8,292
Loc: USA
Last seen: 1 year, 2 months
|
Re: do you guys think nicotine gum is bad [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
#23467078 - 07/22/16 06:48 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
MrBlueYoMind said: I still don't understand why anyone who doesn't smoke and knows smokers and can clearly see how their emotions are dependent upon a chemical coping mechanism would think it is a good idea to develop a nicotine habit.
same could be said about booze, coffee, or weed for that matter. alot of people get miserable without them. and going without coffee when you're used to having it every day can cause some seriously bad headaches. alcohol withdrawls can kill you.
Edited by Adolin (07/22/16 06:49 PM)
|
OhMrJohnson
Ashes Against The Grain

Registered: 01/12/14
Posts: 17,544
Loc: Terra Incognita
|
Re: do you guys think nicotine gum is bad [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
#23467146 - 07/22/16 07:10 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
MrBlueYoMind said: Do you enjoy it when you don't have any ejuice or your battery is dead?
Neither of those things ever happen, i have enough juicemaking supplies to last me many more months but sometimes when I'm absorbed in a book I'll forget to hit the vape for hours at a time so my batteries usually last 2-3 days each pair, I charge them in cycles so when one's worn out there's another fresh pair ready to go in
--------------------
Diminish the sub-principle and leave its toxic trace.. Once and for all!
|
MrBlueYoMind
Don't do drugs (Without me)


Registered: 04/27/11
Posts: 3,753
Last seen: 1 month, 26 days
|
Re: do you guys think nicotine gum is bad [Re: Adolin]
#23467244 - 07/22/16 07:36 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
That isn't a valid argument for using nicotine. It actually validates not using it nor alcohol, weed, or caffeine.
If you are used to caffeine the headaches are clearly a sign of withdrawal and a reason to never start using it in the first place. The headaches go away after a couple days, so once you get a headache from not having your coffee that should be enough to let you know it is bad for you. Then eventually your energy levels get back to their natural levels and you actually feel better instead of boost-crash cycles.
I personally have a problem with caffeine, and once I start using it I have trouble stopping. But I find my emotional state is better when I don't use it. I'm at the point where I don't drink soda or energy drinks, but I almost daily have an energy shot and almost every day I feel the crash and while manageable it's not a good feeling. I had cut caffeine out of my life for a year and I was overall happier and could handle stressful situations better.
Ask any long-term consumer of nicotine if it is worth it. LMK if you find someone who says it is other than an ejuice dealer/headshop employee or someone who rationalizes their addiction by saying "But vaping isn't as harmful to my lungs as smoking" while they ignore the emotional/spiritual bondage they are in.
Most vapers will tell you about how they use it to help QUIT smoking.
Quote:
Neither of those things ever happen, i have enough juicemaking supplies to last me many more months but sometimes when I'm absorbed in a book I'll forget to hit the vape for hours at a time so my batteries usually last 2-3 days each pair, I charge them in cycles so when one's worn out there's another fresh pair ready to go in
So in other words, you ALWAYS have nicotine.
And why do you cycle the batteries? Did you start off cycling batteries or did you get sick of your battery dying and having to wait to hit your vape? Did you get angry when your battery was dead and you wanted to vape?
Since you are a shroomerite I presume you're more intelligent than most so you probably just strategized and bought extra batteries when you got your mod. (Being serious, not sassy).
How do you feel if you go out and forget your ecig at home?
Nicotine withdrawal is fucking awful and not worth the meager effects it has AT ALL and the cravings can come out of nowhere weeks after quitting (I hear it can even pop up years later, if only for a fleeting moment).
-------------------- Confucius say: He who sticks drugs in butthole has head up ass. EVOLUTION REQUIRES REPRODUCTION
|
MrBlueYoMind
Don't do drugs (Without me)


Registered: 04/27/11
Posts: 3,753
Last seen: 1 month, 26 days
|
Re: do you guys think nicotine gum is bad [Re: OhMrJohnson]
#23467290 - 07/22/16 07:46 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
OhMrJohnson said:
Quote:
MrBlueYoMind said: I still don't understand why anyone who doesn't smoke and knows smokers and can clearly see how their emotions are dependent upon a chemical coping mechanism would think it is a good idea to develop a nicotine habit.
It's because one can never truly understand what one has never been through, kinda the same reason why people who have never taken psychedelics will ever truly understand what it's like to trip, they just know what they have heard, what others have told them.. Not exactly the same thing but it's essentially a similar concept
The vast majority of people hooked on nicotine started at a very young age, and as a result the habit becomes deeply ingrained in their subconscious mind, basically becoming a part of their personality
Sounds crappy when it's laid out like that but I happen to enjoy the effects of nicotine, I wouldn't necessarily consider it a curse unless I didn't enjoy it, which I didn't when I was smoking cigarettes full-time but vaping is a totally different ballpark
I think if you asked most users of psychedelics if they recommend mushrooms they'll say yes. I think if you asked most smokers if they recommend smoking and they'll probably say no it's not worth it. But I understand the curiosity aspect. I personally hated when my mom smoked around me so I never messed with cigarettes, but I chain-smoked blunts (seriously, like 10-15 a day) and I used an ecig and dab pen to help me stop that and then quit the ecig.
It was only like 3-4 days of anxiety but it was NOT pleasant and not worth the high the nicotine provided. I actually enjoy weed much more now without nicotine(blunts or ecig) and I turn down blunts now when passed so I don't get that hook in me.
I can actually feel the weed high instead of the nicotine muddling it and then wearing off in 10-15 minutes making me feel like I want to smoke more weed when I actually just wanted more nicotine.
-------------------- Confucius say: He who sticks drugs in butthole has head up ass. EVOLUTION REQUIRES REPRODUCTION
|
PatrickKn



Registered: 07/10/11
Posts: 20,564
|
Re: do you guys think nicotine gum is bad [Re: OhMrJohnson] 1
#23467646 - 07/22/16 09:50 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
OhMrJohnson said:
Quote:
MrBlueYoMind said: Do you enjoy it when you don't have any ejuice or your battery is dead?
Neither of those things ever happen,
Good answer.
|
Still_tripping
Lord yes!


Registered: 10/07/15
Posts: 747
Loc: A small hot country
Last seen: 7 years, 5 months
|
Re: do you guys think nicotine gum is bad [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
#23475433 - 07/25/16 12:46 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
MrBlueYoMind said: Nicotine withdrawal is fucking awful and not worth the meager effects it has AT ALL and the cravings can come out of nowhere weeks after quitting (I hear it can even pop up years later, if only for a fleeting moment).
Why do you say that as I've never found nicotine withdrawal as much more than a nuisance as opposed to a real drug addicted withdrawal. A bit of anxiety for a couple of days is about all. Not the same as quitting cigarettes where that bit of nuisance is compounded with a good deal more anxiety from not smoking. Ask any smoker whether the gum or patches do much for their quitting effort. What the vape does is that replaces the cig held in the hand and allows for all the traditional ceremony normally surrounding smoking a cigarette. That's also why people quitting try and stay busy because the moment they stop those cravings pop up to have a smoke, and after the first 2 or 3 days those cravings have nothing to do with nicotine withdrawal. In fact the biggest problem is that smoking is usually a reward system and years later you will still continue to look for those rewards. A vape can simply replace that.
--------------------
|
Shroomism
Space Travellin



Registered: 02/13/00
Posts: 66,015
Loc: 9th Dimension
|
Re: do you guys think nicotine gum is bad [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
#23475589 - 07/25/16 01:50 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
MrBlueYoMind said: That isn't a valid argument for using nicotine. It actually validates not using it nor alcohol, weed, or caffeine.
If you are used to caffeine the headaches are clearly a sign of withdrawal and a reason to never start using it in the first place. The headaches go away after a couple days, so once you get a headache from not having your coffee that should be enough to let you know it is bad for you. Then eventually your energy levels get back to their natural levels and you actually feel better instead of boost-crash cycles.
I personally have a problem with caffeine, and once I start using it I have trouble stopping. But I find my emotional state is better when I don't use it. I'm at the point where I don't drink soda or energy drinks, but I almost daily have an energy shot and almost every day I feel the crash and while manageable it's not a good feeling. I had cut caffeine out of my life for a year and I was overall happier and could handle stressful situations better.
Ask any long-term consumer of nicotine if it is worth it. LMK if you find someone who says it is other than an ejuice dealer/headshop employee or someone who rationalizes their addiction by saying "But vaping isn't as harmful to my lungs as smoking" while they ignore the emotional/spiritual bondage they are in.
Most vapers will tell you about how they use it to help QUIT smoking.
Show me any proof that nicotine in the minute quantities found in Ecigs is harmful.
Nicotine is not what causes cancer in cigarettes. That would be all the tar, carbon monoxide, benzene, etc.
Here is over 250 peer reviewed studies on nicotine - http://examine.com/supplements/Nicotine FDA study of the risks and benefits of long term nicotine use - http://www.fda.gov/downloads/Drugs/NewsEvents/UCM232335.pdf 10 health benefits of nicotine - http://www.ecigarettedirect.co.uk/ashtray-blog/2014/11/10-benefits-of-nicotine.html Nicotine safety in the context of E-cig use - http://ecigarettereviewed.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Nicotine-safety-in-the-context-of-e-cigarette-use-and-tobacco-dependence-Jacques-Le-Houezec-E-Cigarette-Summit.pdf Study showing nicotine is helpful in cognitive enhancement and in Parkinson's, schizophrenia and other neurological diseases - http://discovermagazine.com/2014/march/13-nicotine-fix
Yes, you read that right. There are actual real, tangible, scientifically proven health benefits to nicotine. Now please show some evidence it's that harmful when used by itself, isolated from all the carcinogens of cigarettes.
I'm not saying everyone should be taking nicotine. I just take opposition to your statement. I don't think you've done much research on the subject.
Quote:
Ask any long-term consumer of nicotine if it is worth it.
Long term user here. Worth it. My goal was to go to 0mg of nicotine. I did that, wasn't addicted anymore, but decided I like the cognitive effects I get from nicotine. So now I'm at 1.5mg (abysmally low, but enough to get effects). I can't speak for anyone else.. but I enjoy the benefits I get from nicotine.
If you can show me some evidence that is super ultra harmful for me, maybe I'll reconsider. But I'll sooner take the words of countless peer-reviewed research studies than some random words on a message board.
I smoked cigarettes for 18 years. I was killing myself with them. I didn't recommend smoking to anyone. I started vaping and quit cigarettes completely. My health improved significantly in the months following. I recommend vaping to all smokers who are looking to quit because it is hands down the easiest way to do it and without a single doubt at least 50x less harmful than cigarette smoking. No one is saying vaping is "healthy" but it sure as fuck is a much safer alternative. And yeah like I mentioned above, there's not really any evidence to support the idea that nicotine.. by itself.. in small quantities.. is that harmful at all. It's about as "harmful" as caffeine. Probably less.
Anecdotally... I've been heavily addicted to both caffeine and nicotine (nicotine in cigarettes is FAR MORE ADDICTIVE due to addition of MAOIs and other chemicals which multiply the addictive factor) Withdrawing from caffeine after a HEAVY addiction was fucking HELL. Nicotine withdrawal is mild in comparison.
--------------------
|
OhMrJohnson
Ashes Against The Grain

Registered: 01/12/14
Posts: 17,544
Loc: Terra Incognita
|
Re: do you guys think nicotine gum is bad [Re: Shroomism]
#23475620 - 07/25/16 02:02 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
I'm running 10mg juice with tobacco essence in my RDA at the moment
Shit kicks like a mule with his balls wrapped with duct tape
--------------------
Diminish the sub-principle and leave its toxic trace.. Once and for all!
|
Shroomism
Space Travellin



Registered: 02/13/00
Posts: 66,015
Loc: 9th Dimension
|
Re: do you guys think nicotine gum is bad [Re: OhMrJohnson]
#23475636 - 07/25/16 02:07 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
10mg on a dripper holy fuck!
--------------------
|
OhMrJohnson
Ashes Against The Grain

Registered: 01/12/14
Posts: 17,544
Loc: Terra Incognita
|
Re: do you guys think nicotine gum is bad [Re: Shroomism]
#23475659 - 07/25/16 02:14 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
I kinda had to work my way up to it, I have a fuckload of nic solution to use up yet so I figured I'd start making my juice stronger
My friend is used to 3mg and he said when he tried a hit of my 7mg juice it felt like his throat was on fire
I love it nice and strong tho, it is pretty harsh but that makes it less compulsive in a way cuz I only need like 2 hits to satisfy my nic fix and then I'm good for a while
--------------------
Diminish the sub-principle and leave its toxic trace.. Once and for all!
|
MrBlueYoMind
Don't do drugs (Without me)


Registered: 04/27/11
Posts: 3,753
Last seen: 1 month, 26 days
|
Re: do you guys think nicotine gum is bad [Re: Shroomism]
#23475807 - 07/25/16 03:02 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
I never said nicotine was physically harmful.
I mean, other than the fact it can kill you if you take too much, but that isn't what we are talking about.
I said it is addictive. And addiction is spiritual bondage. If you aren't addicted to nicotine, why the fuck would you want to be?
It sounds like you're making excuses. If it was worth it then why have the need to work your way down and go through all these steps to quit, only to pick it back up? Sounds like any other addiction- rationalizing use and having a hard time stopping once starting.
The fact is that nicotine causes anxiety when it wears off. It makes those who are addicted to it moody and antsy when they want to hit it but can't, either due to work or waiting on their charge or whatever reason. It makes it harder for them to think strait which amplifies the stress and anxiety they already feel.
IMO anyone who tells themselves the high from nicotine is worth the withdrawal is in denial. I understand there can be a certain social aspect involved as well, and it can seem like a godsend to someone with social anxiety. But in the long term it is counter-productive to socializing without a crutch.
I was hitting an ecig and wax to help ween me off blunts, eventually I stopped the wax and was using just the ecig and had no active caffeine consumption. When I quit the ecig, I felt stress and anxiety that were way more intense than the effects of nicotine. Doing daily routines had me reaching for my ecig at certain moments.
Even posting in this thread has that monkey on my back suggesting I start up my ecig again and it's been almost 2 years. Fuck. that. To suggest to someone who doesn't have a nicotine habit to give it a try is horrible advice.
That isn't to say someone with an addiction to cigarettes shouldn't switch to ecig. Of course they should, and they should ween down to 0mg nicotine and then stop. That's the whole point I'm pretty sure.
-------------------- Confucius say: He who sticks drugs in butthole has head up ass. EVOLUTION REQUIRES REPRODUCTION
|
Shroomism
Space Travellin



Registered: 02/13/00
Posts: 66,015
Loc: 9th Dimension
|
Re: do you guys think nicotine gum is bad [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
#23475955 - 07/25/16 04:17 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
Socializing without a crutch? The fuck are you talking about? When did socializing even come into the conversation?
I'm not telling anyone who is off nicotine to get back on it.
I'm saying it works for me.
I'm not making excuses. I'm saying I enjoy the benefits I get from it. I was completely free of nicotine and I went back on it. Not because I was "fiending" or in withdrawal, but because I get real actual tangible benefits from it. I already linked you to tons of studies showing it has actual benefits.
What works for you works for you. Great. I ENJOY nicotine and the benefits I get from that.. is that hard to understand?
Quote:
If it was worth it then why have the need to work your way down and go through all these steps to quit, only to pick it back up?
Because I quit nicotine due to the popular (and false) assumption that it's really bad for you. After I quit, long after any possible withdrawal symptoms could have existed, I started back up.. AFTER researching and learning what I THOUGHT I knew about nicotine was wrong. I started researching because I felt I was missing some cognitive benefits but I couldn't put my finger on it.
Honestly I don't even need to explain or justify it at all. But you seem to be pressed to say I'm "Making excuses".. F that.
Quote:
Other studies suggest that nicotine may be as effective at enhancing attention as methylphenidate (Ritalin) and the wakefulness-promoting drug modafinil (Provigil). In 2008, Paul Newhouse, director of the Center for Cognitive Medicine at Vanderbilt University School of Medicine in Nashville, compared performance on a series of cognitive tasks in 15 nonsmoking ADHD patients while wearing either a 7-mg nicotine patch or a placebo patch. After just 45 minutes with the nicotine patch, the young adults were significantly better at inhibiting an impulse, delaying a reward and remembering an image they had seen.
Even people without any diagnosed disorder might benefit from nicotine. Psychologist Jennifer Rusted of the University of Sussex in Britain calls the drug “the most reliable cognitive enhancer that we currently have.” In addition to improving visual attention and working memory, nicotine has been shown by Rusted to increase prospective memory: the ability to remember and implement a prior intention. (When your mother asks you to pick up a jar of pickles at the grocery store on the way home, she’s saddling you with a prospective memory challenge.)
“It’s a small effect, maybe a 15 percent improvement,” Rusted says. “It’s not something that’s going to have a massive impact in a healthy young individual. But we think it’s doing it by allowing you to redeploy your attention more rapidly.” In short, the drug seems to work by helping users shut out irrelevant stimuli so that important information can come to the fore.
The ability to shut out stimuli could also turn nicotine into a treatment for schizophrenia, where afflicted individuals are overwhelmed by sights, sounds and thoughts that most of us would either ignore or quickly dismiss. Studies in the United States, Canada and Germany have shown that nicotine improves the ability of people with schizophrenia to focus their attention and recall recent events. In addition, the potent antipsychotic haloperidol often causes dyskinesia, which Quik’s 2007 study proved nicotine can relieve.
Everyone is different. What works for you isn't going to work for everyone. So don't judge unless you've walked a mile in someone else's shoes.
You're off nicotine? Great.
I started vaping with the idea of dropping to 0mg nicotine and quitting vaping. I achieved my goal. I was "free" of nicotine. Then I was like wait..... why? Why is the goal to drop nicotine completely.... when I benefit from it and enjoy it?? Was that really MY goal or was that planted in my brain? The answer is it was something I "read about".. it didn't come from within.. it's an idea I picked up. It sounded good in theory, but in practice I was like... why?
There's nothing really wrong with nicotine in moderation. So my goals changed. From dropping to 0mg nicotine, to using a very small amount and ENJOYING MY LIFE.
To be perfectly clear. I smoked cigarettes for 18 years. 2 packs a day. I WAS a fiend. I quit cold turkey a couple times, was completely free from them... and ended up picking them back up 6+ months later because I enjoyed it and missed the benefits I got from nic. But I didn't enjoy spending 4-5k a year on them. And I didn't enjoy them destroying my health. Vaping was PERFECT for me.
Quote:
That isn't to say someone with an addiction to cigarettes shouldn't switch to ecig. Of course they should, and they should ween down to 0mg nicotine and then stop. That's the whole point I'm pretty sure.
The whole point of switching to vaping FOR ME was: 1. Save money 2. Save my lungs/health
I accomplished both of those goals by switching to vaping? I could stop vaping completely yeah.... but why.. when I enjoy it and it's not destroying my health like smoking was?
I thought nicotine was part of the problem - I was wrong. Nicotine helps me FAR more than it hurts... if it does hurt at all and that's questionable.
You're free from it? Cool. Enjoy. I'm gonna keep on keeping on, because I enjoy it . Maybe one day it will get old. But so far, no.. and I enjoy the cognitive benefits I get.
--------------------
|
OhMrJohnson
Ashes Against The Grain

Registered: 01/12/14
Posts: 17,544
Loc: Terra Incognita
|
Re: do you guys think nicotine gum is bad [Re: Shroomism] 1
#23476031 - 07/25/16 04:44 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
You make really long posts but all I see is a shitload of generalizations
Not everyone is the same broski, what seems like spiritual bondage to you might simply be a nice quick respite for someone else, it's all about perspective and yours is not the only one
--------------------
Diminish the sub-principle and leave its toxic trace.. Once and for all!
|
OhMrJohnson
Ashes Against The Grain

Registered: 01/12/14
Posts: 17,544
Loc: Terra Incognita
|
Re: do you guys think nicotine gum is bad [Re: OhMrJohnson]
#23476037 - 07/25/16 04:46 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
Reply fail
--------------------
Diminish the sub-principle and leave its toxic trace.. Once and for all!
|
Kush_Zombie
smug piece of shit



Registered: 10/22/14
Posts: 4,793
|
Re: do you guys think nicotine gum is bad [Re: Shroomism]
#23476040 - 07/25/16 04:47 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
-------------------- How to get started in bulk: Presto 23-Quart Pressure Cooker BOD's Simple as FUCK Still Air Box PastyWhyte's Easy Agar Tek Munchauzen's Cultivation Video Series How EvilMushroom666 Prepares His Grains (I use jars with Synthetic Filter Discs) What is G2G? (Grain-to-Grain) Damion5050's Coir Tek (I use 5.5 - 6 quarts of water instead of 4. Also ignore step 13 and ignore the monotub completely. The only purpose of this tek is to show you how to make a simple substrate. I also add gypsum to it but not necessary) Spitball's Monotub Tek (A liner isn't necessary but is useful) Use 6500k lights throughout the whole process. When you wake up, turn the light on. When you go to sleep turn the light off. It's as simple as that.
|
Shroomism
Space Travellin



Registered: 02/13/00
Posts: 66,015
Loc: 9th Dimension
|
Re: do you guys think nicotine gum is bad [Re: Kush_Zombie] 1
#23476062 - 07/25/16 04:53 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
You're on a message board dedicated to preventing the spread of dangerous misinformation by helping users to make an informed decision about what they put in their body.
If you prefer a 4th grade level of discourse perhaps this is better suited.
--------------------
|
Kush_Zombie
smug piece of shit



Registered: 10/22/14
Posts: 4,793
|
Re: do you guys think nicotine gum is bad [Re: Shroomism]
#23476071 - 07/25/16 04:56 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
I was just kidding what dangerous misinformation am I spreading? I thought it was dedicated to the cultivation of mushrooms.
-------------------- How to get started in bulk: Presto 23-Quart Pressure Cooker BOD's Simple as FUCK Still Air Box PastyWhyte's Easy Agar Tek Munchauzen's Cultivation Video Series How EvilMushroom666 Prepares His Grains (I use jars with Synthetic Filter Discs) What is G2G? (Grain-to-Grain) Damion5050's Coir Tek (I use 5.5 - 6 quarts of water instead of 4. Also ignore step 13 and ignore the monotub completely. The only purpose of this tek is to show you how to make a simple substrate. I also add gypsum to it but not necessary) Spitball's Monotub Tek (A liner isn't necessary but is useful) Use 6500k lights throughout the whole process. When you wake up, turn the light on. When you go to sleep turn the light off. It's as simple as that.
|
Shroomism
Space Travellin



Registered: 02/13/00
Posts: 66,015
Loc: 9th Dimension
|
Re: do you guys think nicotine gum is bad [Re: Kush_Zombie]
#23476087 - 07/25/16 04:58 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
I was just kidding too 
It may be 'about mushrooms' but that is literally the mission statement of the shroomery. At least that's on the business cards. It extends to all substances, not just shrooms. Why we have an ODD and ethno garden and whatnot.
--------------------
|
Kush_Zombie
smug piece of shit



Registered: 10/22/14
Posts: 4,793
|
Re: do you guys think nicotine gum is bad [Re: Shroomism]
#23476093 - 07/25/16 04:59 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
I guess it would've helped if I clicked the link. I usually just hover over it and if it's a website I don't recognize I don't usually click it.
my bad
-------------------- How to get started in bulk: Presto 23-Quart Pressure Cooker BOD's Simple as FUCK Still Air Box PastyWhyte's Easy Agar Tek Munchauzen's Cultivation Video Series How EvilMushroom666 Prepares His Grains (I use jars with Synthetic Filter Discs) What is G2G? (Grain-to-Grain) Damion5050's Coir Tek (I use 5.5 - 6 quarts of water instead of 4. Also ignore step 13 and ignore the monotub completely. The only purpose of this tek is to show you how to make a simple substrate. I also add gypsum to it but not necessary) Spitball's Monotub Tek (A liner isn't necessary but is useful) Use 6500k lights throughout the whole process. When you wake up, turn the light on. When you go to sleep turn the light off. It's as simple as that.
|
Shroomism
Space Travellin



Registered: 02/13/00
Posts: 66,015
Loc: 9th Dimension
|
Re: do you guys think nicotine gum is bad [Re: Kush_Zombie]
#23476097 - 07/25/16 04:59 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
--------------------
|
MrBlueYoMind
Don't do drugs (Without me)


Registered: 04/27/11
Posts: 3,753
Last seen: 1 month, 26 days
|
Re: do you guys think nicotine gum is bad [Re: Shroomism]
#23476653 - 07/25/16 07:31 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
Nicotine is deadly in the excessive amounts. This isn't misinformation.
Nicotine is addictive. Not misinformation again.
I was suggesting that someone who is thinking of trying nicotine is best to just avoid it. The OP appears to not be a consumer of nicotine and was asking if it is a good idea to start. I'm saying it's not as it can be a difficult one to quit and remain free from.
I've never met a consumer of nicotine that isn't an asshole and gets angry over stupid shit when they crave it but can't consume it.
For what its worth I wouldn't recommend someone to drink caffeine either as it tends to have the same effect on people who are addicted to it. And I personally love the effects of caffeine. That is why I wouldn't recommend it- the downs outweigh the ups. I'd rather feel a sense of ease than be on edge all the time and if I am feeling uneasy I'd rather explore why than mask it.
And the social aspect- ya know, everyone stepping outside for a smoke. Or people going to hookah bars. Doing social things that revolve around smoking/consuming nicotine. I'm the one that mentioned it. Since former smokers might feel the urge to smoke when people take smoke breaks together and some people START using as a form of socialization.
Kind of like I feel the urge to get some Honey Peary or Hobbes Blood from Vapor Chef after posting in this thread LOL It tastes divine but it is a bad habit, costs money that could be spent elsewhere, and overall amplifies stress more than removing it.
Quote:
Still_tripping said: What the vape does is that replaces the cig held in the hand and allows for all the traditional ceremony normally surrounding smoking a cigarette....
Ceremony, aka RITUAL, aka spiritual bondage....
https://quitsmokingcommunity.org/how-to-handle-anger-and-rage-when-quitting-smoking/
LOL Even you admit that it is evil!!!!
-------------------- Confucius say: He who sticks drugs in butthole has head up ass. EVOLUTION REQUIRES REPRODUCTION
Edited by MrBlueYoMind (07/25/16 07:31 PM)
|
MrBlueYoMind
Don't do drugs (Without me)


Registered: 04/27/11
Posts: 3,753
Last seen: 1 month, 26 days
|
Re: do you guys think nicotine gum is bad [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
#23476665 - 07/25/16 07:33 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
-------------------- Confucius say: He who sticks drugs in butthole has head up ass. EVOLUTION REQUIRES REPRODUCTION
|
Morel Guy
Stranger


Registered: 01/23/13
Posts: 15,577
Last seen: 4 years, 1 month
|
Re: do you guys think nicotine gum is bad [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
#23476673 - 07/25/16 07:34 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
There can be no nicotine receptor antagonist without being paralyzed. That is the real and true bitch if it.
|
Shroomism
Space Travellin



Registered: 02/13/00
Posts: 66,015
Loc: 9th Dimension
|
Re: do you guys think nicotine gum is bad [Re: MrBlueYoMind] 1
#23476828 - 07/25/16 08:15 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
MrBlueYoMind said: Nicotine is deadly in the excessive amounts. This isn't misinformation.
So is water. And Air. And tylenol. And salt. And chocolate. And the sun. And a million other things. All these things can kill you in excessive amounts.
"All things are poison and nothing is without poison; only the dose makes a thing not a poison."
The dose makes the poison. Saying something can kill you with enough of it fast enough doesn't mean shit. If you want to chug a liter of 100mg/ml nicotine be my guest  Chug a couple gallons of water real quick and you'll die just the same.
Quote:
MrBlueYoMind said: Why I wish I'd never taken up vaping
Nice propaganda trash article from The Telegraph
Quote:
The trouble is that children have also acquired a taste for the battery-operated metal sticks that offer puffs of flavoured, tobacco-free air but with a pure nicotine kick.
Ohh the old won't somebody think of the children .. ecigs target children bullshit.
Quote:
I know what it’s like to become hooked on electronic cigarettes. For me, a lifelong non-smoker (okay - with occasional lapses...), curiosity as to what these futuristic fags felt like, tasted like and smelled like was too much to bear. As a classic early adopter (I bought an iPhone 6 Plus the week of its release), I needed to test-drive an e-cig myself. And just as with the clunky iPhone 6 Plus, it’s a hastiness I now regret. My own e-cig habit started as a way to cut down on the rare but still harmful social smokes I would have when out socialising with friends. Unfortunately, my fair-to-moderate addiction to apricot-flavoured nicotine cannot be handed back at the Apple Genius bar.
Figures it's an Apple user writing this.
Quote:
Of course, the industry’s relative youth means extensive research has yet to be conducted into long-term effects. But researchers at John Hopkins University have already discovered that e-cigarettes release similarly toxic chemicals to tobacco, which can weaken the pulmonary and immune systems.
Oh here's the real kicker! The bullshit "study" toted by every anti-vaper site that's been debunked multiple times by experts around the world.
http://www.kcl.ac.uk/ioppn/news/records/2014/September/WHO-commissioned-report-on-e-cigarettes-misleading-say-experts.aspx
Sorry, you lose this round
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0887233315001228 http://vapeform.com/vaping-news/new-study-electronic-cigarettes-vapor-has-no-toxic-effect/ http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/e-cigs-inconvenient-truth-its-much-safer-to-vape-20151221 www.ecigarette-research.org/research/index.php/research/research-2015/210-ald http://www.healthnz.co.nz/ECigsExhaledSmoke.htm
Difficult to quit? I'd say nicotine is one of the easiest physical addictions to quit. I smoked 2 packs a day for 18 years. I quit cold turkey one day. I was a little irritable for a couple days and that was the end of it. Yeah... such terrible withdrawals The mental addiction is 10x more powerful than any physical addiction. The physical withdrawal symptoms are over in about 3 days.
Compare that to alcohol withdrawal - which can kill you. Or Heroin. Or benzos. Or countless other pharmaceuticals. Nicotine is a JOKE to quit in comparison.
You DO know that virtually all of these BS anti-vaping "studies" that are based on opinion over facts, are directly funded by Big Tobacco and Big Pharma... right?
--------------------
|
MrBlueYoMind
Don't do drugs (Without me)


Registered: 04/27/11
Posts: 3,753
Last seen: 1 month, 26 days
|
Re: do you guys think nicotine gum is bad [Re: Shroomism]
#23476877 - 07/25/16 08:32 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
LOL maybe you missed this
Nicotine Is Evil
Oh the whole "everything is a poison" rationalization. Nice one!
-------------------- Confucius say: He who sticks drugs in butthole has head up ass. EVOLUTION REQUIRES REPRODUCTION
Edited by MrBlueYoMind (07/25/16 08:34 PM)
|
Shroomism
Space Travellin



Registered: 02/13/00
Posts: 66,015
Loc: 9th Dimension
|
Re: do you guys think nicotine gum is bad [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
#23476883 - 07/25/16 08:33 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
That's when I was smoking cigarettes and still uneducated on the subject and associated all the "bad things" from smoking with nicotine, as we were taught. Cigarettes are evil. Nicotine rules.
--------------------
|
Shroomism
Space Travellin



Registered: 02/13/00
Posts: 66,015
Loc: 9th Dimension
|
Re: do you guys think nicotine gum is bad [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
#23476892 - 07/25/16 08:35 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
MrBlueYoMind said: Oh the whole "everything is a poison" rationalization. Nice one!
Show me how it's wrong? Water WILL kill you if you drink enough of it fast enough. So will chocolate. Nicotine is toxic in high enough doses. But then so is a fucking million other things. And no one is dying from nicotine poisoning from ecigs. And ecigs contain about 10x less nicotine than cigarettes on average.
--------------------
|
MrBlueYoMind
Don't do drugs (Without me)


Registered: 04/27/11
Posts: 3,753
Last seen: 1 month, 26 days
|
Re: do you guys think nicotine gum is bad [Re: Shroomism]
#23476894 - 07/25/16 08:36 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
I like how you compare nicotine to something that is necessary for survival.
-------------------- Confucius say: He who sticks drugs in butthole has head up ass. EVOLUTION REQUIRES REPRODUCTION
|
Shroomism
Space Travellin



Registered: 02/13/00
Posts: 66,015
Loc: 9th Dimension
|
Re: do you guys think nicotine gum is bad [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
#23476899 - 07/25/16 08:37 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
I like how you ignored all the other stuff I said. I also mentioned salt, chocolate, tylenol, would you like more?
THE POINT WITH WATER IS THAT EVEN SOMETHING THAT IS NECESSARY FOR SURVIVAL WILL KILL YOU IN EXCESSIVE AMOUNTS.
Saying "Nicotine is deadly in excessive amounts" means what exactly?... since no vaper in the history of vaping has ever died from nicotine overdose. Unless you count the toddler that drank a BOTTLE OF NICOTINE that his retarded parents left out and open. These "excessive amounts" you speak of.... yeah..... that's if ejuice contained about 300x more nicotine than it does.
False equivalence much?
Tylenol kills lots of people. Over 150 a year in the US alone. Nicotine.. not so much.
Nicotine: Safer than tylenol!
--------------------
|
musiclover420
psychonaut



Registered: 11/06/12
Posts: 19,563
Loc: PNW
Last seen: 2 years, 5 months
|
Re: do you guys think nicotine gum is bad [Re: Shroomism]
#23476938 - 07/25/16 08:57 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Shroomism said:
Show me how it's wrong? Water WILL kill you if you drink enough of it fast enough. So will chocolate. Nicotine is toxic in high enough doses. But then so is a fucking million other things. And no one is dying from nicotine poisoning from ecigs. And ecigs contain about 10x less nicotine than cigarettes on average.
Except that nicotine is toxic enough that if you spilled a concentrated enough mixture on your skin and didn't wipe it off soon enough it could kill you.
Good luck doing that with water, or chocolate, or most of the "million other things" you mentioned...
Also the potency of Ejuice varies a ton. Some has no nicotine while some is made super concentrated not to mention propylene glycol is pretty nasty.
-------------------- Don't worry about me, I've got all that I need. And I'm singing my song to the sky You know how it feels, With the breeze of the sun in your eyes. Not minding that time's passing by I've got all and more, My smile, just as before. Is all that I carry with me I talk to myself, I need nobody else. I'm lost and I'm mine, yes I'm free
|
Shroomism
Space Travellin



Registered: 02/13/00
Posts: 66,015
Loc: 9th Dimension
|
Re: do you guys think nicotine gum is bad [Re: musiclover420]
#23476939 - 07/25/16 08:59 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
Oh really tell me more. I've spilled fairly large quantities of concentrated 100mg/ml nicotine (as concentrated as you can get commercially) on my skin several times, why am I not dead? Yeah, I wiped it off. I barely got a buzz from it.
PG is nasty? Yeah... I'm gonna need some sources on that one. Is that why it's been used as an air disinfectant in the ventilation systems of airplanes and hospitals and government buildings for 80+ years? Because it's so "nasty"?
http://www.news-medical.net/news/20091104/Propylene-glycol-in-e-cigarettes-might-keep-us-healthy-says-researchers.aspx
People who have zero clue what they are talking about shouldn't make dumb claims.
Let me guess.. next you are gonna tell me propylene glycol is antifreeze.
--------------------
|
musiclover420
psychonaut



Registered: 11/06/12
Posts: 19,563
Loc: PNW
Last seen: 2 years, 5 months
|
Re: do you guys think nicotine gum is bad [Re: Shroomism]
#23476968 - 07/25/16 09:07 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Shroomism said: Oh really tell me more. I've spilled concentrated 100mg/ml nicotine (as strong as you can get commercially) on my skin several times, why am I not dead?
How long did you leave it on? I didn't say it would magically instantly kill you, it takes time for stuff to absorb through the skin.
You are delusional if you don't think nicotine is that toxic though 
Quote:
PG is nasty? Yeah... I'm gonna need some sources on that one. Is that why it's been used as an air disinfectant in airplanes and hospitals and government buildings for 80+ years? Because it's so "nasty"?
http://www.news-medical.net/news/20091104/Propylene-glycol-in-e-cigarettes-might-keep-us-healthy-says-researchers.aspx
Yeah, becouse being used as a disinfectant is clearly a good sign its healthy to vape
I have seen heavy vapers hack up way worse then I have ever seen any smokers.
-------------------- Don't worry about me, I've got all that I need. And I'm singing my song to the sky You know how it feels, With the breeze of the sun in your eyes. Not minding that time's passing by I've got all and more, My smile, just as before. Is all that I carry with me I talk to myself, I need nobody else. I'm lost and I'm mine, yes I'm free
|
Shroomism
Space Travellin



Registered: 02/13/00
Posts: 66,015
Loc: 9th Dimension
|
Re: do you guys think nicotine gum is bad [Re: musiclover420]
#23476983 - 07/25/16 09:11 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
I know nicotine is toxic in high enough doses. But I'm not a fucking idiot. Are you trying to scare me or something? I have 2 liters of 100mg/ml sitting in my freezer. Hasn't killed anyone yet.
You've seen vapers coughing therefore it's worse than smoking? Nice logic.
My anecdotal evidence is way better. I was coughing up black shit every day. I couldn't run more than 10 feet without hacking up a lung and feeling like I was dying when I was smoking. I started vaping and my cardio health increased 10 fold within a few months. I could taste food again. I can SPRINT now without feeling like I'm dying. It increased my quality of life in just about every way.
But yeah sure go ahead and peddle your bullshit
PG is actually proven to be healthy / good for the lungs. It's the primary ingredient in ASTHMA inhalers for fucks sake. It's used in hospitals because it's GOOD FOR THE AIR and GOOD TO BREATH, it kills viruses and strep and all kinds of shit.
If there's ANYTHING in ejuice to be scared about, it's the flavors.. not the PG, not the nicotine... but you guys haven't even touched on that. Probably because you don't know what you're talking about and read too much anti-vaping propaganda. But I can't exactly blame you for it, it is everywhere.
--------------------
|
musiclover420
psychonaut



Registered: 11/06/12
Posts: 19,563
Loc: PNW
Last seen: 2 years, 5 months
|
Re: do you guys think nicotine gum is bad [Re: Shroomism]
#23477002 - 07/25/16 09:18 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
-------------------- Don't worry about me, I've got all that I need. And I'm singing my song to the sky You know how it feels, With the breeze of the sun in your eyes. Not minding that time's passing by I've got all and more, My smile, just as before. Is all that I carry with me I talk to myself, I need nobody else. I'm lost and I'm mine, yes I'm free
|
Shroomism
Space Travellin



Registered: 02/13/00
Posts: 66,015
Loc: 9th Dimension
|
Re: do you guys think nicotine gum is bad [Re: musiclover420]
#23477008 - 07/25/16 09:19 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
Can't Retort
Resorts to Gif
--------------------
|
MrBlueYoMind
Don't do drugs (Without me)


Registered: 04/27/11
Posts: 3,753
Last seen: 1 month, 26 days
|
Re: do you guys think nicotine gum is bad [Re: Shroomism]
#23477019 - 07/25/16 09:22 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
Of course the OP can make their own decisions. If you don't have an active nicotine addiction, my advice is to avoid it.
Yours obviously is that it is amazing and you can't get enough.
I honestly don't care about any possible benefits from nicotine. I've used it and the downs aren't worth the ups IMO.
Who would want to create a routine in which they are set off by stupid shit and experience brain fog when they don't have their fix? Fuck that.
Comparing nicotine with something that you need to survive is quite humorous considering the way people act when they don't have it.
Chill bro, hit your ecig. You ought to try the honey pearry or hobbes blood from vapor chef.
The OP asked if it was a good idea to start using it, I'm saying it isn't for obvious reasons-mainly that it is addictive/can cause dependence and irritability and IMO is a waste of money.
I would ask how you feel when you run out but apparently you aren't the only poster in this thread who has ensured that they NEVER run out.
-------------------- Confucius say: He who sticks drugs in butthole has head up ass. EVOLUTION REQUIRES REPRODUCTION
|
MrBlueYoMind
Don't do drugs (Without me)


Registered: 04/27/11
Posts: 3,753
Last seen: 1 month, 26 days
|
Re: do you guys think nicotine gum is bad [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
#23477034 - 07/25/16 09:24 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
LOL "read too much anti-vaping propaganda"
I don't read shit on vaping, I don't even fucking care about vaping and don't read about it one way or the other LOL
I'm talking about my personal experience and observation of those around me and how they behave when they don't have their nicotine fix.
-------------------- Confucius say: He who sticks drugs in butthole has head up ass. EVOLUTION REQUIRES REPRODUCTION
Edited by MrBlueYoMind (07/25/16 09:26 PM)
|
Shroomism
Space Travellin



Registered: 02/13/00
Posts: 66,015
Loc: 9th Dimension
|
Re: do you guys think nicotine gum is bad [Re: MrBlueYoMind] 1
#23477042 - 07/25/16 09:27 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
Dude I started on honey pearry, that shit's way too expensive, I make my own now and it's better. $17 for 30ml or ~1-2 you be the judge 
I can go without just fine, but I don't like to. I'm at such a low nic level though I would hardly call myself 'addicted'.. the lowest nic you can buy commercially is like 3% at most places but I typically make 1.5 or 1% Sometimes I forget my vape at home and it sucks, but I don't bitch at anyone because of it.
--------------------
|
musiclover420
psychonaut



Registered: 11/06/12
Posts: 19,563
Loc: PNW
Last seen: 2 years, 5 months
|
Re: do you guys think nicotine gum is bad [Re: Shroomism]
#23477067 - 07/25/16 09:32 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Shroomism said: Can't Retort
Resorts to Gif
More like your "I'm right your wrong" attitude gets old real quick so I will not waste my time arguing with you
-------------------- Don't worry about me, I've got all that I need. And I'm singing my song to the sky You know how it feels, With the breeze of the sun in your eyes. Not minding that time's passing by I've got all and more, My smile, just as before. Is all that I carry with me I talk to myself, I need nobody else. I'm lost and I'm mine, yes I'm free
|
Brian Jones
Club 27



Registered: 12/18/12
Posts: 12,342
Loc: attending Snake Church
Last seen: 13 hours, 45 minutes
|
Re: do you guys think nicotine gum is bad [Re: musiclover420]
#23477130 - 07/25/16 09:55 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
Nicotine gum worked great for me and I haven't had a cig in 21 years. I had previously tried to quit smoking hundreds of times. But I think it was probably better that Nicorette was still prescription at that time and I knew my MD would only give me a few refills so I had to taper down till I was doing 2 quarter pieces a day. When I ran out I had my one and only experience with chewing tobacco. I chewed a mouthful, got high as a kite and rinsed my mouth out for 5 minutes. Never touched any form of nicotine again.
But I think if the gum was over the counter like it is now I probably would have had a fairly long addiction to it.
-------------------- "The Rolling Stones will break up over Brian Jones' dead body" John Lennon I don't want no commies in my car. No Christians either. The worst thing about corruption is that it works so well,
|
MrBlueYoMind
Don't do drugs (Without me)


Registered: 04/27/11
Posts: 3,753
Last seen: 1 month, 26 days
|
Re: do you guys think nicotine gum is bad [Re: Brian Jones]
#23477148 - 07/25/16 09:59 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Brian Jones said: Nicotine gum worked great for me and I haven't had a cig in 21 years. I had previously tried to quit smoking hundreds of times. But I think it was probably better that Nicorette was still prescription at that time and I knew my MD would only give me a few refills so I had to taper down till I was doing 2 quarter pieces a day. When I ran out I had my one and only experience with chewing tobacco. I chewed a mouthful, got high as a kite and rinsed my mouth out for 5 minutes. Never touched any form of nicotine again.
But I think if the gum was over the counter like it is now I probably would have had a fairly long addiction to it.
I don't think the OP actively uses nicotine in any form.
I think the OP is considering taking up the use of nicotine gum in order to become more productive throughout the work day.
-------------------- Confucius say: He who sticks drugs in butthole has head up ass. EVOLUTION REQUIRES REPRODUCTION
|
|