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Re: do you guys think nicotine gum is bad [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
#23475955 - 07/25/16 04:17 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Socializing without a crutch? The fuck are you talking about? When did socializing even come into the conversation?
I'm not telling anyone who is off nicotine to get back on it.
I'm saying it works for me.
I'm not making excuses. I'm saying I enjoy the benefits I get from it. I was completely free of nicotine and I went back on it. Not because I was "fiending" or in withdrawal, but because I get real actual tangible benefits from it. I already linked you to tons of studies showing it has actual benefits.
What works for you works for you. Great. I ENJOY nicotine and the benefits I get from that.. is that hard to understand?
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If it was worth it then why have the need to work your way down and go through all these steps to quit, only to pick it back up?
Because I quit nicotine due to the popular (and false) assumption that it's really bad for you. After I quit, long after any possible withdrawal symptoms could have existed, I started back up.. AFTER researching and learning what I THOUGHT I knew about nicotine was wrong. I started researching because I felt I was missing some cognitive benefits but I couldn't put my finger on it.
Honestly I don't even need to explain or justify it at all. But you seem to be pressed to say I'm "Making excuses".. F that.
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Other studies suggest that nicotine may be as effective at enhancing attention as methylphenidate (Ritalin) and the wakefulness-promoting drug modafinil (Provigil). In 2008, Paul Newhouse, director of the Center for Cognitive Medicine at Vanderbilt University School of Medicine in Nashville, compared performance on a series of cognitive tasks in 15 nonsmoking ADHD patients while wearing either a 7-mg nicotine patch or a placebo patch. After just 45 minutes with the nicotine patch, the young adults were significantly better at inhibiting an impulse, delaying a reward and remembering an image they had seen.
Even people without any diagnosed disorder might benefit from nicotine. Psychologist Jennifer Rusted of the University of Sussex in Britain calls the drug “the most reliable cognitive enhancer that we currently have.” In addition to improving visual attention and working memory, nicotine has been shown by Rusted to increase prospective memory: the ability to remember and implement a prior intention. (When your mother asks you to pick up a jar of pickles at the grocery store on the way home, she’s saddling you with a prospective memory challenge.)
“It’s a small effect, maybe a 15 percent improvement,” Rusted says. “It’s not something that’s going to have a massive impact in a healthy young individual. But we think it’s doing it by allowing you to redeploy your attention more rapidly.” In short, the drug seems to work by helping users shut out irrelevant stimuli so that important information can come to the fore.
The ability to shut out stimuli could also turn nicotine into a treatment for schizophrenia, where afflicted individuals are overwhelmed by sights, sounds and thoughts that most of us would either ignore or quickly dismiss. Studies in the United States, Canada and Germany have shown that nicotine improves the ability of people with schizophrenia to focus their attention and recall recent events. In addition, the potent antipsychotic haloperidol often causes dyskinesia, which Quik’s 2007 study proved nicotine can relieve.
Everyone is different. What works for you isn't going to work for everyone. So don't judge unless you've walked a mile in someone else's shoes.
You're off nicotine? Great.
I started vaping with the idea of dropping to 0mg nicotine and quitting vaping. I achieved my goal. I was "free" of nicotine. Then I was like wait..... why? Why is the goal to drop nicotine completely.... when I benefit from it and enjoy it?? Was that really MY goal or was that planted in my brain? The answer is it was something I "read about".. it didn't come from within.. it's an idea I picked up. It sounded good in theory, but in practice I was like... why?
There's nothing really wrong with nicotine in moderation. So my goals changed. From dropping to 0mg nicotine, to using a very small amount and ENJOYING MY LIFE.
To be perfectly clear. I smoked cigarettes for 18 years. 2 packs a day. I WAS a fiend. I quit cold turkey a couple times, was completely free from them... and ended up picking them back up 6+ months later because I enjoyed it and missed the benefits I got from nic. But I didn't enjoy spending 4-5k a year on them. And I didn't enjoy them destroying my health. Vaping was PERFECT for me.
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That isn't to say someone with an addiction to cigarettes shouldn't switch to ecig. Of course they should, and they should ween down to 0mg nicotine and then stop. That's the whole point I'm pretty sure.
The whole point of switching to vaping FOR ME was: 1. Save money 2. Save my lungs/health
I accomplished both of those goals by switching to vaping? I could stop vaping completely yeah.... but why.. when I enjoy it and it's not destroying my health like smoking was?
I thought nicotine was part of the problem - I was wrong. Nicotine helps me FAR more than it hurts... if it does hurt at all and that's questionable.
You're free from it? Cool. Enjoy. I'm gonna keep on keeping on, because I enjoy it . Maybe one day it will get old. But so far, no.. and I enjoy the cognitive benefits I get.
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Re: do you guys think nicotine gum is bad [Re: Shroomism] 1
#23476031 - 07/25/16 04:44 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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You make really long posts but all I see is a shitload of generalizations
Not everyone is the same broski, what seems like spiritual bondage to you might simply be a nice quick respite for someone else, it's all about perspective and yours is not the only one
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Re: do you guys think nicotine gum is bad [Re: OhMrJohnson]
#23476037 - 07/25/16 04:46 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Reply fail
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Re: do you guys think nicotine gum is bad [Re: Shroomism]
#23476040 - 07/25/16 04:47 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: do you guys think nicotine gum is bad [Re: Kush_Zombie] 1
#23476062 - 07/25/16 04:53 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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You're on a message board dedicated to preventing the spread of dangerous misinformation by helping users to make an informed decision about what they put in their body.
If you prefer a 4th grade level of discourse perhaps this is better suited.
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Re: do you guys think nicotine gum is bad [Re: Shroomism]
#23476071 - 07/25/16 04:56 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I was just kidding what dangerous misinformation am I spreading? I thought it was dedicated to the cultivation of mushrooms.
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Re: do you guys think nicotine gum is bad [Re: Kush_Zombie]
#23476087 - 07/25/16 04:58 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I was just kidding too 
It may be 'about mushrooms' but that is literally the mission statement of the shroomery. At least that's on the business cards. It extends to all substances, not just shrooms. Why we have an ODD and ethno garden and whatnot.
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Re: do you guys think nicotine gum is bad [Re: Shroomism]
#23476093 - 07/25/16 04:59 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I guess it would've helped if I clicked the link. I usually just hover over it and if it's a website I don't recognize I don't usually click it.
my bad
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Re: do you guys think nicotine gum is bad [Re: Kush_Zombie]
#23476097 - 07/25/16 04:59 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: do you guys think nicotine gum is bad [Re: Shroomism]
#23476653 - 07/25/16 07:31 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Nicotine is deadly in the excessive amounts. This isn't misinformation.
Nicotine is addictive. Not misinformation again.
I was suggesting that someone who is thinking of trying nicotine is best to just avoid it. The OP appears to not be a consumer of nicotine and was asking if it is a good idea to start. I'm saying it's not as it can be a difficult one to quit and remain free from.
I've never met a consumer of nicotine that isn't an asshole and gets angry over stupid shit when they crave it but can't consume it.
For what its worth I wouldn't recommend someone to drink caffeine either as it tends to have the same effect on people who are addicted to it. And I personally love the effects of caffeine. That is why I wouldn't recommend it- the downs outweigh the ups. I'd rather feel a sense of ease than be on edge all the time and if I am feeling uneasy I'd rather explore why than mask it.
And the social aspect- ya know, everyone stepping outside for a smoke. Or people going to hookah bars. Doing social things that revolve around smoking/consuming nicotine. I'm the one that mentioned it. Since former smokers might feel the urge to smoke when people take smoke breaks together and some people START using as a form of socialization.
Kind of like I feel the urge to get some Honey Peary or Hobbes Blood from Vapor Chef after posting in this thread LOL It tastes divine but it is a bad habit, costs money that could be spent elsewhere, and overall amplifies stress more than removing it.
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Still_tripping said: What the vape does is that replaces the cig held in the hand and allows for all the traditional ceremony normally surrounding smoking a cigarette....
Ceremony, aka RITUAL, aka spiritual bondage....
https://quitsmokingcommunity.org/how-to-handle-anger-and-rage-when-quitting-smoking/
LOL Even you admit that it is evil!!!!
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Re: do you guys think nicotine gum is bad [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
#23476665 - 07/25/16 07:33 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: do you guys think nicotine gum is bad [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
#23476673 - 07/25/16 07:34 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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There can be no nicotine receptor antagonist without being paralyzed. That is the real and true bitch if it.
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Re: do you guys think nicotine gum is bad [Re: MrBlueYoMind] 1
#23476828 - 07/25/16 08:15 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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MrBlueYoMind said: Nicotine is deadly in the excessive amounts. This isn't misinformation.
So is water. And Air. And tylenol. And salt. And chocolate. And the sun. And a million other things. All these things can kill you in excessive amounts.
"All things are poison and nothing is without poison; only the dose makes a thing not a poison."
The dose makes the poison. Saying something can kill you with enough of it fast enough doesn't mean shit. If you want to chug a liter of 100mg/ml nicotine be my guest  Chug a couple gallons of water real quick and you'll die just the same.
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MrBlueYoMind said: Why I wish I'd never taken up vaping
Nice propaganda trash article from The Telegraph
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The trouble is that children have also acquired a taste for the battery-operated metal sticks that offer puffs of flavoured, tobacco-free air but with a pure nicotine kick.
Ohh the old won't somebody think of the children .. ecigs target children bullshit.
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I know what it’s like to become hooked on electronic cigarettes. For me, a lifelong non-smoker (okay - with occasional lapses...), curiosity as to what these futuristic fags felt like, tasted like and smelled like was too much to bear. As a classic early adopter (I bought an iPhone 6 Plus the week of its release), I needed to test-drive an e-cig myself. And just as with the clunky iPhone 6 Plus, it’s a hastiness I now regret. My own e-cig habit started as a way to cut down on the rare but still harmful social smokes I would have when out socialising with friends. Unfortunately, my fair-to-moderate addiction to apricot-flavoured nicotine cannot be handed back at the Apple Genius bar.
Figures it's an Apple user writing this.
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Of course, the industry’s relative youth means extensive research has yet to be conducted into long-term effects. But researchers at John Hopkins University have already discovered that e-cigarettes release similarly toxic chemicals to tobacco, which can weaken the pulmonary and immune systems.
Oh here's the real kicker! The bullshit "study" toted by every anti-vaper site that's been debunked multiple times by experts around the world.
http://www.kcl.ac.uk/ioppn/news/records/2014/September/WHO-commissioned-report-on-e-cigarettes-misleading-say-experts.aspx
Sorry, you lose this round
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0887233315001228 http://vapeform.com/vaping-news/new-study-electronic-cigarettes-vapor-has-no-toxic-effect/ http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/e-cigs-inconvenient-truth-its-much-safer-to-vape-20151221 www.ecigarette-research.org/research/index.php/research/research-2015/210-ald http://www.healthnz.co.nz/ECigsExhaledSmoke.htm
Difficult to quit? I'd say nicotine is one of the easiest physical addictions to quit. I smoked 2 packs a day for 18 years. I quit cold turkey one day. I was a little irritable for a couple days and that was the end of it. Yeah... such terrible withdrawals The mental addiction is 10x more powerful than any physical addiction. The physical withdrawal symptoms are over in about 3 days.
Compare that to alcohol withdrawal - which can kill you. Or Heroin. Or benzos. Or countless other pharmaceuticals. Nicotine is a JOKE to quit in comparison.
You DO know that virtually all of these BS anti-vaping "studies" that are based on opinion over facts, are directly funded by Big Tobacco and Big Pharma... right?
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Re: do you guys think nicotine gum is bad [Re: Shroomism]
#23476877 - 07/25/16 08:32 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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LOL maybe you missed this
Nicotine Is Evil
Oh the whole "everything is a poison" rationalization. Nice one!
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Re: do you guys think nicotine gum is bad [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
#23476883 - 07/25/16 08:33 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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That's when I was smoking cigarettes and still uneducated on the subject and associated all the "bad things" from smoking with nicotine, as we were taught. Cigarettes are evil. Nicotine rules.
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Re: do you guys think nicotine gum is bad [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
#23476892 - 07/25/16 08:35 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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MrBlueYoMind said: Oh the whole "everything is a poison" rationalization. Nice one!
Show me how it's wrong? Water WILL kill you if you drink enough of it fast enough. So will chocolate. Nicotine is toxic in high enough doses. But then so is a fucking million other things. And no one is dying from nicotine poisoning from ecigs. And ecigs contain about 10x less nicotine than cigarettes on average.
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Re: do you guys think nicotine gum is bad [Re: Shroomism]
#23476894 - 07/25/16 08:36 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I like how you compare nicotine to something that is necessary for survival.
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Re: do you guys think nicotine gum is bad [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
#23476899 - 07/25/16 08:37 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I like how you ignored all the other stuff I said. I also mentioned salt, chocolate, tylenol, would you like more?
THE POINT WITH WATER IS THAT EVEN SOMETHING THAT IS NECESSARY FOR SURVIVAL WILL KILL YOU IN EXCESSIVE AMOUNTS.
Saying "Nicotine is deadly in excessive amounts" means what exactly?... since no vaper in the history of vaping has ever died from nicotine overdose. Unless you count the toddler that drank a BOTTLE OF NICOTINE that his retarded parents left out and open. These "excessive amounts" you speak of.... yeah..... that's if ejuice contained about 300x more nicotine than it does.
False equivalence much?
Tylenol kills lots of people. Over 150 a year in the US alone. Nicotine.. not so much.
Nicotine: Safer than tylenol!
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Re: do you guys think nicotine gum is bad [Re: Shroomism]
#23476938 - 07/25/16 08:57 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Show me how it's wrong? Water WILL kill you if you drink enough of it fast enough. So will chocolate. Nicotine is toxic in high enough doses. But then so is a fucking million other things. And no one is dying from nicotine poisoning from ecigs. And ecigs contain about 10x less nicotine than cigarettes on average.
Except that nicotine is toxic enough that if you spilled a concentrated enough mixture on your skin and didn't wipe it off soon enough it could kill you.
Good luck doing that with water, or chocolate, or most of the "million other things" you mentioned...
Also the potency of Ejuice varies a ton. Some has no nicotine while some is made super concentrated not to mention propylene glycol is pretty nasty.
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Re: do you guys think nicotine gum is bad [Re: musiclover420]
#23476939 - 07/25/16 08:59 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Oh really tell me more. I've spilled fairly large quantities of concentrated 100mg/ml nicotine (as concentrated as you can get commercially) on my skin several times, why am I not dead? Yeah, I wiped it off. I barely got a buzz from it.
PG is nasty? Yeah... I'm gonna need some sources on that one. Is that why it's been used as an air disinfectant in the ventilation systems of airplanes and hospitals and government buildings for 80+ years? Because it's so "nasty"?
http://www.news-medical.net/news/20091104/Propylene-glycol-in-e-cigarettes-might-keep-us-healthy-says-researchers.aspx
People who have zero clue what they are talking about shouldn't make dumb claims.
Let me guess.. next you are gonna tell me propylene glycol is antifreeze.
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