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    #23459393 - 07/20/16 11:50 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Is there any difference between field aged horse nuggets, that RR reccomends, and regular already broken up soil looking manure?


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Re: Horse Manure [Re: lone_psychonaut]
    #23459440 - 07/20/16 12:02 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Use the search button. Not trying to be rude, but this was asked yesterday and probably every day before that.


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Re: Horse Manure [Re: CosmoKramer]
    #23459468 - 07/20/16 12:12 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Well it doesn't matter. It should be powdered/fine when you prep it anyways. I aim for powdered shit when I go collecting poo. Also dude 30 minutes isn't long enough to warrant a bump. Try 24 hours. It is a rule on this forum. The 4th rule in the rules thread at the top of mush cult.



From the same thread you made yesterday


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Re: Horse Manure [Re: Mad Season]
    #23459556 - 07/20/16 12:44 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I've used the search button and didn't see any comparison, thank you

And 2, I asked a similar question the other day and got no answer, so what should I do?


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Re: Horse Manure [Re: lone_psychonaut]
    #23459559 - 07/20/16 12:45 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

And Cosmo Kramer; you never answered my question, you just sent some stupid gif animation... Remember


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Re: Horse Manure [Re: lone_psychonaut]
    #23459562 - 07/20/16 12:46 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

How is that not an answer?
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Well it doesn't matter. It should be powdered/fine when you prep it anyways. I aim for powdered shit when I go collecting poo. Also dude 30 minutes isn't long enough to warrant a bump. Try 24 hours. It is a rule on this forum. The 4th rule in the rules thread at the top of mush cult.



It says right there I prefer powdered and before you prep the nuggets have to be shredded first anyways...


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Re: Horse Manure [Re: Mad Season]
    #23459571 - 07/20/16 12:47 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I know, I appreciate your response, thank you. . It's always good to have multiple feedback


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Re: Horse Manure [Re: lone_psychonaut]
    #23459581 - 07/20/16 12:50 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Well I've probably done the most poo out of anyone active in this forum besides maybe azur and cron. Been doing poo for 6 years now actually. You want the extremely light colored shit. Sometimes even white. Lots of the time it is powdered. Actually powdered gets dried out quicker than the nuggets so it makes more sense to aim for it more.


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Re: Horse Manure [Re: lone_psychonaut]
    #23459598 - 07/20/16 12:57 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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I know, I appreciate your response, thank you. . It's always good to have multiple feedback




Its good to have correct feedback. When I go through and I see a question has been correctly answered by a competent cultivator like Madseason, I typically just move on.

Your question is so basic that it really doesn't warrant more than a single correct response.


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Re: Horse Manure [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23459611 - 07/20/16 01:01 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Thank you Mad Season, again I appreciate it


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Re: Horse Manure [Re: lone_psychonaut]
    #23459635 - 07/20/16 01:09 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I have a friend with horses I get the shit that's fairly dried then lay out a tarp water it down and let it sit for a week or two in the desert sun if you can't get field aged if that's what your problem is


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Re: Horse Manure [Re: Boogieman47]
    #23459643 - 07/20/16 01:14 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

That's what I do too. I go out and shovel the top of the piles that are sun bleached into a truck bed and spread it on a tarp. It's annoying af to pick through them lol. This is small compared to what I've been doing lately because it was in the spring (you can even see the snow :rofl:). Same premise.



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Re: Horse Manure [Re: Boogieman47]
    #23459653 - 07/20/16 01:18 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Yea, I've been shopping around and just wanted to make sure I got the good shit...lol. Also I read not to leech manure; I was also wondering if being rain leeched is the same thing


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Re: Horse Manure [Re: lone_psychonaut]
    #23459656 - 07/20/16 01:20 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Pretty much. Leeching is kinda pointless IMO tho. Just dry the stuff that's obviously visibly old. Old shit is pretty obvious. It's like light colored and flaky. New poo is often green and well fresh lol. Flies love it.


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Re: Horse Manure [Re: Mad Season]
    #23459680 - 07/20/16 01:30 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Ya it almost turns in to shredded straw and dirt is what it reminds me of I hate the rocks I get in it does suck picking through it ... I always wanted to Goto Canada but my background prevents me I'll have to sneak in haha


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Re: Horse Manure [Re: Boogieman47]
    #23459700 - 07/20/16 01:39 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Op are you buying hpoo or you mean shopping around as finding it I'd say buy coir if you need to buy hpoo it's pretty easy to prep


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Re: Horse Manure [Re: Boogieman47]
    #23459818 - 07/20/16 02:33 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Shopping around as in seeing if I can find it in town, if not I've seen it online


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Re: Horse Manure [Re: lone_psychonaut]
    #23459833 - 07/20/16 02:38 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I was originally looking into coco coir but I read that horse manure is the preferred substrate


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Re: Horse Manure [Re: lone_psychonaut]
    #23459853 - 07/20/16 02:50 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

If you cant find poo just get coir, it's a great substrate, easy to prepare, in my experience I get way more flushes with coir than with poo also, I don't know if anyone else experiences that around here though.


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Re: Horse Manure [Re: Rooster Cogburn]
    #23459868 - 07/20/16 02:57 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Coir is pretty much exactly the same yield, and it's much more noob friendly.


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Re: Horse Manure [Re: Rooster Cogburn]
    #23459873 - 07/20/16 03:00 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

On here I'd say more use coir persay I've been using this https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14425518 it's a mix of the two and before that was using fahtsters hpoo tek Goto Craigslist and look on there on the free section they will give you boatloads and not even care why you want it but if you're a talker then tell them it's for your chicks flowers


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Re: Horse Manure [Re: Boogieman47]
    #23460089 - 07/20/16 04:32 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Maybe I'll rethink horse manure, I just read cow manure has more nutrients than horse manure...


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Re: Horse Manure [Re: lone_psychonaut]
    #23460129 - 07/20/16 04:49 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

You're silly. If we wanted the most nutrients we'd be using grains only, or chopping grass into the substrate. Nutrients aren't what makes it grow, and in fact too much nutrients causes deformities. Actually since it's a decomposer made with 90% water fruitbodies, you want less nutrients and more water.

Coir which has no nutrients can do just as good, if not better than poo on many different types of genetics. Grains are the nutrients, and water content is the important part in the bulk substrates materials.

If I were you I'd just do a CVG substrate. Poo is much more finicky, and not at all noob friendly.


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Re: Horse Manure [Re: Mad Season]
    #23460189 - 07/20/16 05:17 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

O wow, I didn't know all that!  I was originally looking into coir but then RR's video said horse manure is the preferred substrate so I then leaned more towards manure... If coir is just as good, what would make manure the preference?


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Re: Horse Manure [Re: lone_psychonaut]
    #23460194 - 07/20/16 05:20 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

That was before people experimented with coir as a substrate.


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Re: Horse Manure [Re: Boogieman47]
    #23460268 - 07/20/16 05:52 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

coir has plenty of nutrients :shrug:
but sub choice doesnt matter much. genetics and proper conditions do!


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Re: Horse Manure [Re: spacechildo]
    #23460350 - 07/20/16 06:17 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Ya hpoo or cow shit can be a pain because of so much bacteria that's why you gotta pasteurize properly , CVG you should also but it's more forgiving if you don't get it right hpoo on the other hand you can throw 5 tubs in a row away if you partially sterilize or don't get it up to temp or whatever plus you usually use straw and straw in its self is a pain to prep alot of straw has mites so .... if I were you I'd do both see what you like . I get hpoo for free and the bricks of coir I get will do 6 tubs mixed with it so it's not a big deal but if you're going to pay for either go with coir


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Re: Horse Manure [Re: Boogieman47]
    #23460384 - 07/20/16 07:14 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks for all the input guys, maybe coir is the way to go, I'll look more into it, especially being a begginer after all...


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Re: Horse Manure [Re: Mad Season]
    #23460664 - 07/20/16 08:34 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Coir is pretty much exactly the same yield, and it's much more noob friendly.




Wait really, I thought I read somewhere a TC said that CVG would yield about 6oz on average for a 66qt while poo substrates typically yield about 8oz. If the yields are about the same why do people even use poo, considering it's more likely to get messed up?


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Re: Horse Manure [Re: herrenvolk]
    #23460680 - 07/20/16 08:42 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Coir is pretty much exactly the same yield, and it's much more noob friendly.




Wait really, I thought I read somewhere a TC said that CVG would yield about 6oz on average for a 66qt while poo substrates typically yield about 8oz. If the yields are about the same why do people even use poo, considering it's more likely to get messed up?



Preference and availability really I highly doubt the sub has much to do with yield and if he wasn't using an isolate from a clone and everything wasn't exactly the same on the grow you wouldn't get the same grow either way... and poo is as forgiving as coir if you use it and know how to prep it right


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    #23460794 - 07/20/16 09:10 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Coir is pretty much exactly the same yield, and it's much more noob friendly.




Wait really, I thought I read somewhere a TC said that CVG would yield about 6oz on average for a 66qt while poo substrates typically yield about 8oz. If the yields are about the same why do people even use poo, considering it's more likely to get messed up?



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Well it might not be pro, but coir verm is pretty easy to use. . .





^^^ kinda speaks for itself :lol:

Also what's cool is pasty is doing a coir and poo comparison as we speak with different clones. Some clones are performing better on the coir while others on the poo. It really is all dependent on the genetics and what they prefer. Essentially with anything try them on everything, see what's best and cater to that genetics specific needs. Some genetics actually prefer casings and will pump out epic yields with it, while others don't. It's really cool to see it pan out.

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23457715#23457715


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Re: Horse Manure [Re: Mad Season]
    #23460804 - 07/20/16 09:14 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Ya pasty has some sweet grows I'd like just one of mine to resemble his


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