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Boogieman47
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On here I'd say more use coir persay I've been using this https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14425518 it's a mix of the two and before that was using fahtsters hpoo tek Goto Craigslist and look on there on the free section they will give you boatloads and not even care why you want it but if you're a talker then tell them it's for your chicks flowers
Edited by Boogieman47 (07/20/16 03:32 PM)
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lone_psychonaut
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Maybe I'll rethink horse manure, I just read cow manure has more nutrients than horse manure...
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Mad Season
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You're silly. If we wanted the most nutrients we'd be using grains only, or chopping grass into the substrate. Nutrients aren't what makes it grow, and in fact too much nutrients causes deformities. Actually since it's a decomposer made with 90% water fruitbodies, you want less nutrients and more water.
Coir which has no nutrients can do just as good, if not better than poo on many different types of genetics. Grains are the nutrients, and water content is the important part in the bulk substrates materials.
If I were you I'd just do a CVG substrate. Poo is much more finicky, and not at all noob friendly.
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lone_psychonaut
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O wow, I didn't know all that! I was originally looking into coir but then RR's video said horse manure is the preferred substrate so I then leaned more towards manure... If coir is just as good, what would make manure the preference?
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Mad Season
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That was before people experimented with coir as a substrate.
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spacechildo
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coir has plenty of nutrients  but sub choice doesnt matter much. genetics and proper conditions do!
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Boogieman47
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Ya hpoo or cow shit can be a pain because of so much bacteria that's why you gotta pasteurize properly , CVG you should also but it's more forgiving if you don't get it right hpoo on the other hand you can throw 5 tubs in a row away if you partially sterilize or don't get it up to temp or whatever plus you usually use straw and straw in its self is a pain to prep alot of straw has mites so .... if I were you I'd do both see what you like . I get hpoo for free and the bricks of coir I get will do 6 tubs mixed with it so it's not a big deal but if you're going to pay for either go with coir
Edited by Boogieman47 (07/20/16 06:19 PM)
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lone_psychonaut
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Thanks for all the input guys, maybe coir is the way to go, I'll look more into it, especially being a begginer after all...
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herrenvolk


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Mad Season said: Coir is pretty much exactly the same yield, and it's much more noob friendly.
Wait really, I thought I read somewhere a TC said that CVG would yield about 6oz on average for a 66qt while poo substrates typically yield about 8oz. If the yields are about the same why do people even use poo, considering it's more likely to get messed up?
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Boogieman47
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herrenvolk said:
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Mad Season said: Coir is pretty much exactly the same yield, and it's much more noob friendly.
Wait really, I thought I read somewhere a TC said that CVG would yield about 6oz on average for a 66qt while poo substrates typically yield about 8oz. If the yields are about the same why do people even use poo, considering it's more likely to get messed up?
Preference and availability really I highly doubt the sub has much to do with yield and if he wasn't using an isolate from a clone and everything wasn't exactly the same on the grow you wouldn't get the same grow either way... and poo is as forgiving as coir if you use it and know how to prep it right
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Mad Season
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Quote:
herrenvolk said:
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Mad Season said: Coir is pretty much exactly the same yield, and it's much more noob friendly.
Wait really, I thought I read somewhere a TC said that CVG would yield about 6oz on average for a 66qt while poo substrates typically yield about 8oz. If the yields are about the same why do people even use poo, considering it's more likely to get messed up?
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Pastywhyte said: Well it might not be pro, but coir verm is pretty easy to use. . .
^^^ kinda speaks for itself 
Also what's cool is pasty is doing a coir and poo comparison as we speak with different clones. Some clones are performing better on the coir while others on the poo. It really is all dependent on the genetics and what they prefer. Essentially with anything try them on everything, see what's best and cater to that genetics specific needs. Some genetics actually prefer casings and will pump out epic yields with it, while others don't. It's really cool to see it pan out.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23457715#23457715
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Boogieman47
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Ya pasty has some sweet grows I'd like just one of mine to resemble his
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