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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: Prisoner#1] * 2
    #23458167 - 07/20/16 12:28 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Crystal G said:
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twighead said:
Well obviously the problem then is the criteria for those programs




I believe the cut-off for programs like SNAP and Medicare is like $1600-1800 a month pre-tax, somewhere around there. It's like around $20,000 a year salary pre-tax, I believe.

So if you're making $15 an hour working 40 hours a week, you'd basically make $2400 a month pre-tax, based on the cut-off you would no longer be eligible for these programs, is it worth it to have the extra money or to have the extra assistance? I don't know, I guess that depends on each individual case, and exactly what programs they are using and how much they are using.





are you really this incapable of understanding, if minimum wage increases so
will the cost of goods and services, it quickly catches back up and the $15/hr
people are making and they have to then raise the poverty level cap

but hey, if raising the minimum wage is really going to make a difference, why
not just raise it to $15000/hr, then we can all live like wealthy CEOs



So you're saying that a significant amount of people have to be nearly unlivable-poor for our economy to function? :lolsy:

I don't buy that shit, and real life evidence doesn't support that.
We can see that skyrocketing minimum wage really fueling the increase of goods costs right!?




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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: twighead]
    #23458323 - 07/20/16 02:28 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Fast food company In-N-Out starts workers at $12 an hour, and pays managers $100k per year. Their cheeseburger costs $2.55 and a hamburger costs $2.25. Some companies actually like to take care of their employees, and treat them so differently.

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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: Prisoner#1] * 1
    #23458404 - 07/20/16 03:31 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Young black males are insanely villified, its hard to do anything right from that position, or have ones self and ones actions objectively assessed.




so they're just like young, white conservatives, they're also extremely vilified



No -- when the young black males steal $10 worth of goods, they go to jail for years.

When the young white conservatives steal billions of dollars, they don't go to jail for even 1 day but instead get promoted.


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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: Crystal G]
    #23458699 - 07/20/16 07:40 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Crystal G said:

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Prisoner#1 said:
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Crystal G said:
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twighead said:
Well obviously the problem then is the criteria for those programs




I believe the cut-off for programs like SNAP and Medicare is like $1600-1800 a month pre-tax, somewhere around there. It's like around $20,000 a year salary pre-tax, I believe.

So if you're making $15 an hour working 40 hours a week, you'd basically make $2400 a month pre-tax, based on the cut-off you would no longer be eligible for these programs, is it worth it to have the extra money or to have the extra assistance? I don't know, I guess that depends on each individual case, and exactly what programs they are using and how much they are using.





are you really this incapable of understanding, if minimum wage increases so
will the cost of goods and services, it quickly catches back up and the $15/hr
people are making and they have to then raise the poverty level cap

but hey, if raising the minimum wage is really going to make a difference, why
not just raise it to $15000/hr, then we can all live like wealthy CEOs




I disagree that the minimum wage would increase the cost of goods and services. Inflation and the housing bubble in California happened long before any substantial minimum wage increase.

The increase in cost came first, before the wage.





you can disagree all you want and point to anything you wish as evidence but
you'll have a really difficult time telling anyone that businesses will not
increase prices when their costs for labor nearly double. in 2008 fuel prices
climbed to $4 a gallon, double what it was just a year before and we saw a 20%
increase in prices

if you believe that the two arent linked you really have no clue

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What is really the big problem in America, is that many corporations really don't care about their employees like they used to. Before it used to be the norm to take care of your employees, to pay them a decent living, to offer them pension. Now companies just try to get away with paying you the bare minimum possible, just barely designated to keep you afloat.






something brought on by the influx of illegal aliens and exacerbated by
liberals, when you flood the market with cheap labor and then harbor
and protect them from deportation you create a labor surplus that causes
the wages to stagnate so now instead of an employer worrying about losing
and employee to a competitor with a higher wage he sees the opportunity
to cut his overhead by bringing in an illegal at a lower rate setting a new
standard for wages at his company

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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: endogenous]
    #23458706 - 07/20/16 07:42 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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endogenous said:
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Prisoner#1 said:
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Asante said:
Young black males are insanely villified, its hard to do anything right from that position, or have ones self and ones actions objectively assessed.




so they're just like young, white conservatives, they're also extremely vilified



No -- when the young black males steal $10 worth of goods, they go to jail for years.

When the young white conservatives steal billions of dollars, they don't go to jail for even 1 day but instead get promoted.




bullshit

maybe you should show us a first offender of any race going to jail for years for shoplifting $10 worth of goods

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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: Crystal G]
    #23458717 - 07/20/16 07:49 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Crystal G said:
Fast food company In-N-Out starts workers at $12 an hour, and pays managers $100k per year. Their cheeseburger costs $2.55 and a hamburger costs $2.25. Some companies actually like to take care of their employees, and treat them so differently.





so they pay just above the california minimum wage and you claim they're taking
care of their employees. California minimim wage is $10/hr, in and out starts
people at $11.57/hr, a 2br apartment costs more than #2000/month in most of
california

is that $12/hr a livable wage? at 40 hours per week, a person couldnt even pay
rent on an In-N-Out paycheck, gross would be less than $2000, net pay would be
well under it, it seems as if In-N-Out is taking advantage of their employees
and keeping them in poverty

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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23458740 - 07/20/16 08:02 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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something brought on by the influx of illegal aliens and exacerbated by
liberals, when you flood the market with cheap labor and then harbor
and protect them from deportation you create a labor surplus that causes
the wages to stagnate so now instead of an employer worrying about losing
and employee to a competitor with a higher wage he sees the opportunity
to cut his overhead by bringing in an illegal at a lower rate setting a new
standard for wages at his company




It has nothing to do with illegals, you see corporations that only hire people with college degrees doing this all the time, paying employees just barely enough to stay afloat, which may be $2K a month or $12 an hour or whatever. Something is wrong, when you see college graduates working 70 hours a week of overtime and only ending up with $2k a month.


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Crystal G said:
Fast food company In-N-Out starts workers at $12 an hour, and pays managers $100k per year. Their cheeseburger costs $2.55 and a hamburger costs $2.25. Some companies actually like to take care of their employees, and treat them so differently.





so they pay just above the california minimum wage and you claim they're taking
care of their employees. California minimim wage is $10/hr, in and out starts
people at $11.57/hr, a 2br apartment costs more than #2000/month in most of
california

is that $12/hr a livable wage? at 40 hours per week, a person couldnt even pay
rent on an In-N-Out paycheck, gross would be less than $2000, net pay would be
well under it, it seems as if In-N-Out is taking advantage of their employees
and keeping them in poverty




They were paying that much even when California minimum wage was $7-8, that's almost 25% above what other fast food chains pay.

You're missing the point, the point was not about whether In-N-Out pays minimum wage, it was about the fact that In-N-Out pays above minimum wage, yet their cost of goods has never increased.

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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: Crystal G]
    #23458771 - 07/20/16 08:16 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Crystal G said:
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Prisoner#1 said:

something brought on by the influx of illegal aliens and exacerbated by
liberals, when you flood the market with cheap labor and then harbor
and protect them from deportation you create a labor surplus that causes
the wages to stagnate so now instead of an employer worrying about losing
and employee to a competitor with a higher wage he sees the opportunity
to cut his overhead by bringing in an illegal at a lower rate setting a new
standard for wages at his company




It has nothing to do with illegals, you see corporations that only hire people with college degrees doing this all the time, paying employees just barely enough to stay afloat, which may be $2K a month or $12 an hour or whatever. Something is wrong, when you see college graduates working 70 hours a week of overtime and only ending up with $2k a month.





lol. which degrees would those be? I mean if $90k/yr for an engineering degree
or $60k/yr for nursing is barely enough to stay afloat then please, pay me so
little... maybe you're talking about the folks that decided to get a degree in
philosophy, english lit, women's studies and the thousands of other worthless
liberal arts degrees


or maybe you should stop pulling these figures out of your ass and making up lies






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Prisoner#1 said:
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Crystal G said:
Fast food company In-N-Out starts workers at $12 an hour, and pays managers $100k per year. Their cheeseburger costs $2.55 and a hamburger costs $2.25. Some companies actually like to take care of their employees, and treat them so differently.





so they pay just above the california minimum wage and you claim they're taking
care of their employees. California minimim wage is $10/hr, in and out starts
people at $11.57/hr, a 2br apartment costs more than #2000/month in most of
california

is that $12/hr a livable wage? at 40 hours per week, a person couldnt even pay
rent on an In-N-Out paycheck, gross would be less than $2000, net pay would be
well under it, it seems as if In-N-Out is taking advantage of their employees
and keeping them in poverty




They were paying that much even when California minimum wage was $7-8, that's almost 25% above what other fast food chains pay.

You're missing the point, the point was not about whether In-N-Out pays minimum wage, it was about the fact that In-N-Out pays above minimum wage, yet their cost of goods has never increased.





in 2010 in-n-out payed $10/hr

the point is you tried to make it out as if In-N-Out gave a fuck when in reality
they pay just a little more in order to try and attract a slightly better class
of minimum wage worker. know who else does that? the liberal loathed Chick-Fil-A
I know, crazy isnt it. they pay about $1 more per hour than minimum wage to
attract a better class of employee, someone that fits in with their company
ideals and you know the interesting part, they're both christian companies owned
by conservatives that love to slip you a bible verse or 3 with your meal



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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: Crystal G]
    #23458782 - 07/20/16 08:19 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Crystal G said:

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Prisoner#1 said:
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Crystal G said:
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twighead said:
Well obviously the problem then is the criteria for those programs




I believe the cut-off for programs like SNAP and Medicare is like $1600-1800 a month pre-tax, somewhere around there. It's like around $20,000 a year salary pre-tax, I believe.

So if you're making $15 an hour working 40 hours a week, you'd basically make $2400 a month pre-tax, based on the cut-off you would no longer be eligible for these programs, is it worth it to have the extra money or to have the extra assistance? I don't know, I guess that depends on each individual case, and exactly what programs they are using and how much they are using.





are you really this incapable of understanding, if minimum wage increases so
will the cost of goods and services, it quickly catches back up and the $15/hr
people are making and they have to then raise the poverty level cap

but hey, if raising the minimum wage is really going to make a difference, why
not just raise it to $15000/hr, then we can all live like wealthy CEOs




I disagree that the minimum wage would increase the cost of goods and services. Inflation and the housing bubble in California happened long before any substantial minimum wage increase.

The increase in cost came first, before the wage.

What is really the big problem in America, is that many corporations really don't care about their employees like they used to. Before it used to be the norm to take care of your employees, to pay them a decent living, to offer them pension. Now companies just try to get away with paying you the bare minimum possible, just barely designated to keep you afloat.




The corporations haven't changed, they always had one goal- to maximize profits. The only reason why they treat their employees like shit is because there's a massive surplus of low-skilled and educated workers.

When my father graduated from college in 1964, only 4% of the workforce had a 4 year college degree, today that number is near 37%, what do you think that does to wages and benefits in large corporations?

Guess what would of happened if they tried to low ball people back then?  They would leave and find another job in short order, they only reason why they treated them well is because there was a shortage of labor.

This is what happens when you outsource jobs out the US and then flood your domestic labor market with legal and illegal immigrant workers, you kill wages.

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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23458791 - 07/20/16 08:21 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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lol. which degrees would those be? I mean if $90k/yr for an engineering degree
or $60k/yr for nursing is barely enough to stay afloat then please, pay me so
little... maybe you're talking about the folks that decided to get a degree in
philosophy, english lit, women's studies and the thousands of other worthless
liberal arts degrees


or maybe you should stop pulling these figures out of your ass and making up lies




A lot of companies that specialize in just sales or marketing don't care about the degree, just that you have a degree.

Like I said, some firms treat employees so well, and others don't at all. Anybody with a liberal arts degree can get hired as a pharmaceutical or medical device sales representative making close to 6 figures their first year.

And I have even seen people working in banking and finance getting paid $2k or less per month for overtime. It's staggering just how different companies treat employees.




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the point is you tried to make it out as if In-N-Out gave a fuck when in reality they pay just a little more in order to try and attract a slightly better class of minimum wage worker. know who else does that? the liberal loathed Chick-Fil-A
I know, crazy isnt it. they pay about $1 more per hour than minimum wage to
attract a better class of employee, someone that fits in with their company
ideals and you know the interesting part, they're both christian companies owned
by conservatives that love to slip you a bible verse or 3 with your meal







Yes, I'm aware they're Christian, they're family-owned, not a franchise, part of the reason they pay considerably more than other chains or franchises

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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: Crystal G]
    #23458943 - 07/20/16 09:15 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Crystal G said:
Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:
lol. which degrees would those be? I mean if $90k/yr for an engineering degree
or $60k/yr for nursing is barely enough to stay afloat then please, pay me so
little... maybe you're talking about the folks that decided to get a degree in
philosophy, english lit, women's studies and the thousands of other worthless
liberal arts degrees


or maybe you should stop pulling these figures out of your ass and making up lies




A lot of companies that specialize in just sales or marketing don't care about the degree, just that you have a degree.





then tell the liberal arts tards to get a job with those companies

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Like I said, some firms treat employees so well, and others don't at all. Anybody with a liberal arts degree can get hired as a pharmaceutical or medical device sales representative making close to 6 figures their first year.




you certainly arent helping your claims of people with degrees working 70 hours
per week for less than minimum wage, I mean 70/hrs a week for less than 2000/mo,
that's either less than min wage or it's min wage without overtime. maybe those
degree holders you speak of are just fucking stupid and they deserve what they
get because they're incapable of working real jobs. it's probably why they
majored in vagina studies and call themselves feminists


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And I have even seen people working in banking and finance getting paid $2k or less per month for overtime. It's staggering just how different companies treat employees.





stop making up bullshit




Quote:

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Prisoner#1 said:

the point is you tried to make it out as if In-N-Out gave a fuck when in reality they pay just a little more in order to try and attract a slightly better class of minimum wage worker. know who else does that? the liberal loathed Chick-Fil-A
I know, crazy isnt it. they pay about $1 more per hour than minimum wage to
attract a better class of employee, someone that fits in with their company
ideals and you know the interesting part, they're both christian companies owned
by conservatives that love to slip you a bible verse or 3 with your meal







Yes, I'm aware they're Christian, they're family-owned, not a franchise, part of the reason they pay considerably more than other chains or franchises





once again you're wrong, it's not a considerable amount more, it's enough to
make them more appealing, it's 15% more than the minimum wage for the area

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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23458957 - 07/20/16 09:22 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I never tried Chic-fil-A till the Libs made a big fuss a couple of years ago and i had it for the first time.

didn't their sales skyrocket? i remember seeing pics of ppl lined up.

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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: Apostle]
    #23459023 - 07/20/16 09:43 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

libera; boycotts means greater revenues, once the liberals arent there the
conservatives arent afraid to go in because they wont be bombarded with
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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23459050 - 07/20/16 09:52 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Hottest night of the year sparks 12 hours of violent flares in London: Police locked in tense stand offs with gangs of teenagers as four youths are knifed and five police are injured

Hyde Park 'water fight' explodes into violence as cops stabbed and bottled and youths chant 'Black Lives Matter'

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A police officer was stabbed and another was smashed in the head with a bottle last night after a 'water fight' in Hyde Park exploded into violence.

Two members of the public were also knifed during the 'riot', which took place in the famous London park on the hottest day of the year.

This morning, footage emerged appearing to show one of the victims being tackled to the ground and stabbed in the middle of the street.

In the video, posted on Twitter, the man can be seen writhing around on the ground as he is attacked by two thugs - just feet away from a red double decker bus.

Moments later, the attackers run away, leaving him clutching his stomach in pain.

Bystanders watched in horror yesterday as officers were pelted with bottles and other missiles, while youths reportedly chanted: "Black Lives Matter".




London, the only place in England to have a majority vote for Remain in the EU referendum :facepalm:

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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: Bubbles85]
    #23459089 - 07/20/16 10:07 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I thought london was safe since they banned guns

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    #23459099 - 07/20/16 10:10 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Evidently not :lol:

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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23459140 - 07/20/16 10:26 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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stop making up bullshit




I am not, you have to understand there's many different types of banking and finance, there's mortgage banking, there's insurance and annuity sales, there's foreclosure advisement. These fields of finance don't make nearly as much as investment or hedge fund bankers. Those that actually do pay a flat hourly salary as opposed to commission, might pay $15 an hour with decent enough experience.

Just as being a bank teller is still technically "finance," yet you make $12 an hour or so.

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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: Crystal G]
    #23459347 - 07/20/16 11:32 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I definitely endorse a higher minimum wage, unemployment and cost of living haven't skyrocketed in Seattle as was claimed. The min wage is less than half the relative value it was upon being established, $15hr is still a joke but it would be a start.

As far as people being cut off government services because they're making more money, good.
If you have a job, pay for your own damn food. That should already be the case.

Definitely agree that illegal immigrants are hurting wages, they should be deported and anyone hiring an illegal immigrant should be severely fined relative to their income. That being said, I don't think illegal immigrants are the main issue with wages, there aren't that many of them.

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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: Repertoire89]
    #23459370 - 07/20/16 11:40 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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As far as people being cut off government services because they're making more money, good.
If you have a job, pay for your own damn food. That should already be the case.




Food is the least of it, and the least expensive part of welfare. There's health insurance, and there's also low-cost daycare. Being ineligible for low cost daycare means that full-time minimum wage workers would resort to either working only part-time to meet the minimum, or completely quitting their job once they realize practically their entire paycheck is going to pay for daycare.

The #1 reason that Americans go into bankruptcy is because of medical emergencies or health issues.

So you mean to tell me you want a decent standard of living but then want $15 per hour minimum wage workers to struggle with medical and daycare costs, okay. :cookiemonster:

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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: Repertoire89]
    #23459375 - 07/20/16 11:42 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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I definitely endorse a higher minimum wage, unemployment and cost of living haven't skyrocketed in Seattle as was claimed. The min wage is less than half the relative value it was upon being established, $15hr is still a joke but it would be a start.

As far as people being cut off government services because they're making more money, good.
If you have a job, pay for your own damn food. That should already be the case.

Definitely agree that illegal immigrants are hurting wages, they should be deported and anyone hiring an illegal immigrant should be severely fined relative to their income. That being said, I don't think illegal immigrants are the main issue with wages, there aren't that many of them.




http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/11/19/5-facts-about-illegal-immigration-in-the-u-s/

There's enough to under cut wages for low-skilled workers and ultimately lower wages for all workers.

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