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Diversity? We're for it - as long as it's not intellectual
    #2345864 - 02/17/04 03:22 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/issue/040223/opinion/23john.htm

What do y'all think of this kind of proposed legislation?

I realize it's a shame that such a proposal is needed at all, but how else is one to turn the centers of indoctrination back into the centers of education they once were?

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Re: Diversity? We're for it - as long as it's not intellectu [Re: Phred]
    #2345896 - 02/17/04 03:28 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I know that many who post here attend American Universities. Here's a site which may interest those who are in favor of intellectual diversity in their universities rather than being indoctrinated day after day by professors with their own agendas -- usually completely unrelated to the courseware.

I took a brief look through some of the comments. It's nothing new to me, but it may be to some of you. It's worth a look, in my opinion. Maybe some of you may even add an evaluation or two of your own.

http://www.noindoctrination.org/view.shtml

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Re: Diversity? We're for it - as long as it's not intellectual [Re: Phred]
    #2345898 - 02/17/04 03:29 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: Diversity? We're for it - as long as it's not intellectual [Re: Phred]
    #2345962 - 02/17/04 03:43 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I realize it's a shame that such a proposal is needed at all, but how else is one to turn the centers of indoctrination back into the centers of education they once were?



Education has ALWAYS gone hand-in-hand with indoctrination, as I explained a while back in another thread. However, I agree that all sides should be heard. I've had many professors that try to be even-handed by saying what their biases are and trying to explain the other side's point of view, but of course that's just not the same.

However, I feel that a lot of the discrepancy in political views is often due to the field in which a certain professor works. For example, you're far more likely to have right-leaning professors if you're a business or economics major than if you're majoring in one of the humanities.


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Re: Diversity? We're for it - as long as it's not intellectual [Re: silversoul7]
    #2346214 - 02/17/04 04:58 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Education has ALWAYS gone hand-in-hand with indoctrination, as I explained a while back in another thread. However, I agree that all sides should be heard. I've had many professors that try to be even-handed by saying what their biases are and trying to explain the other side's point of view, but of course that's just not the same.




Seeing your belief system, I'd say that somewhere along the line you recieved more than a healthy dose of communist indoctrination ;-)
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However, I feel that a lot of the discrepancy in political views is often due to the field in which a certain professor works. For example, you're far more likely to have right-leaning professors if you're a business or economics major than if you're majoring in one of the humanities.




I like the leftist professors, I've proven most of mine wrong a number of times, even had to fight it through the dean one time when a lefty wanted me "removed from the classroom" because my views were "detremental to education". Needless to say, I stayed, and constantly proved him wrong.


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Re: Diversity? We're for it - as long as it's not intellectual [Re: Phred]
    #2346220 - 02/17/04 04:59 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Perhaps there are just more intelligent people on the left? Otherwise how would things have gotten so unbalanced in the first place? :smirk:


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Re: Diversity? We're for it - as long as it's not intellectual [Re: TheOneYouKnow]
    #2346309 - 02/17/04 05:19 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Education has ALWAYS gone hand-in-hand with indoctrination, as I explained a while back in another thread. However, I agree that all sides should be heard. I've had many professors that try to be even-handed by saying what their biases are and trying to explain the other side's point of view, but of course that's just not the same.




Seeing your belief system, I'd say that somewhere along the line you recieved more than a healthy dose of communist indoctrination ;-)



That's funny, cuz I'm not a communist, nor have any of my professors been communist. Sure, most of my professors are leftists, but most of them have been fairly open to diverse opinions as well.

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However, I feel that a lot of the discrepancy in political views is often due to the field in which a certain professor works. For example, you're far more likely to have right-leaning professors if you're a business or economics major than if you're majoring in one of the humanities.




I like the leftist professors, I've proven most of mine wrong a number of times, even had to fight it through the dean one time when a lefty wanted me "removed from the classroom" because my views were "detremental to education". Needless to say, I stayed, and constantly proved him wrong.



I'd like to see that. Did you really prove them wrong, or just contradict them?


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Re: Diversity? We're for it - as long as it's not intellectual [Re: silversoul7]
    #2346318 - 02/17/04 05:21 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

It's not at all hard to prove a leftist wrong.

It happens here every day.


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Re: Diversity? We're for it - as long as it's not intellectual [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2346337 - 02/17/04 05:26 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I suppose you're referring to facts and statistics, which are the only things that can really be proven wrong, in which case it's just as easy to prove a conservative wrong, depending on the person. Political views are subjective, and therefore cannot be proven right or wrong.


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Re: Diversity? We're for it - as long as it's not intellectual [Re: silversoul7]
    #2346348 - 02/17/04 05:28 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I suppose you're referring to facts and statistics, which are the only things that can really be proven wrong, in which case it's just as easy to prove a conservative wrong, depending on the person. Political views are subjective, and therefore cannot be proven right or wrong.




Views are based on something. For example, LearyFan believed that his little animated gif was going to blow the lid off of the whole conspiracy to kill Kennedy because it showed a bullet entering the front of the head. He was wrong. I can't change his opinion, but I can show him that his factual observation was incorrect. If someone wants to be wrong, that is their right.

Liberals tend to be more "emotion"-based, rather than fact-based, so, in my opinion, it's much easier to prove them wrong.


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Re: Diversity? We're for it - as long as it's not intellectual [Re: Phred]
    #2346349 - 02/17/04 05:28 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

The lack of right wingers in academic institutions is clearly the result of a lefty conspiracy. What other explanations could there be?


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Re: Diversity? We're for it - as long as it's not intellectual [Re: TheOneYouKnow]
    #2346359 - 02/17/04 05:31 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Liberals tend to be more "emotion"-based, rather than fact-based, so, in my opinion, it's much easier to prove them wrong.



I disagree. Support for the death penalty is very emotion-based, as is opposition to abortion. BTW, if someone's views were emotion-based, I would think that that would make it harder, not easier, to prove them wrong, as you can't disprove someone's emotions.


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Re: Diversity? We're for it - as long as it's not intellectual [Re: silversoul7]
    #2346397 - 02/17/04 05:41 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Liberals tend to be more "emotion"-based, rather than fact-based, so, in my opinion, it's much easier to prove them wrong.



I disagree.  Support for the death penalty is very emotion-based, as is opposition to abortion.  BTW, if someone's views were emotion-based, I would think that that would make it harder, not easier, to prove them wrong, as you can't disprove someone's emotions.




A liberal would say, despite tons of proof otherwise, that blacks and whites are "equal".  This is emotion - based thinking.

I, on the other hand, would say that blacks and whites are equal only in their humanity. After that, I would say that each race has unique characterists that make them more or less suited to particular abilities, and facts would back me up.  I'm sure that your PCbias emotion-backed thinking will try to prove me wrong on this, but I'm factually correct, and your bleeding heart wants you to be correct, despite facts to the contrary.

I don't mean "you" specifically in those "you"'s just PC brainwashed liberals as a whole :smile:


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Re: Diversity? We're for it - as long as it's not intellectual [Re: TheOneYouKnow]
    #2346581 - 02/17/04 06:14 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

First of all, society has fortunately progressed to the point where only the most extreme rightwingers would disagree that black people and white people are equal, except maybe over what is meant by "equal." And I would say that you are confusing race with ethnicity. A black person who is adopted by white parents is likely to act like a white person. It has nothing to do with their skin color. It has to do with their upbringing.


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Re: Diversity? We're for it - as long as it's not intellectu [Re: silversoul7]
    #2346592 - 02/17/04 06:16 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Here is you, talking

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First of all, society has fortunately progressed to the point where only the most extreme rightwingers would disagree that black people and white people are equal, except maybe over what is meant by "equal." And I would say that you are confusing race with ethnicity. A black person who is adopted by white parents is likely to act like a white person. It has nothing to do with their skin color. It has to do with their upbringing.




Here is what I hear...

EmotionEmotionEmotionEmotionEmotionEmotionEmotionEmotion
EmotionEmotionEmotionEmotionEmotionEmotionEmotionEmotion
EmotionEmotionEmotionEmotionEmotionEmotionEmotionEmotion
EmotionEmotionEmotionEmotionEmotionEmotionEmotionEmotion
EmotionEmotionEmotionEmotionEmotionEmotionEmotionEmotion


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Re: Diversity? We're for it - as long as it's not intellectual [Re: TheOneYouKnow]
    #2346600 - 02/17/04 06:17 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Put a few spaces in that string.


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Re: Diversity? We're for it - as long as it's not intellectual [Re: TheOneYouKnow]
    #2346616 - 02/17/04 06:19 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

So it's emotion if you disagree? :lol:


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Re: Diversity? We're for it - as long as it's not intellectual [Re: silversoul7]
    #2346618 - 02/17/04 06:19 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Only feeble brainwashed minds do not realize that all have the same potential. Many just fail to take advantage of that potential. After all.... it's far easier to "blame whitey"!


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Re: Diversity? We're for it - as long as it's not intellectual [Re: GazzBut]
    #2346790 - 02/17/04 06:50 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Perhaps there are just more intelligent people on the left? Otherwise how would things have gotten so unbalanced in the first place? :smirk:




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Re: Diversity? We're for it - as long as it's not intellectu [Re: silversoul7]
    #2346811 - 02/17/04 06:53 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I disagree. Support for the death penalty is very emotion-based, as is opposition to abortion. BTW, if someone's views were emotion-based, I would think that that would make it harder, not easier, to prove them wrong, as you can't disprove someone's emotions.

emotions don't seek to prove anything, which is why they can't be disproven. they don't need to be logically sound because they aren't logical.

i'm going to have to disagree with you about the death penalty. i see a lot of emotion on both sides, and some reason on each side as well.


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