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pan_hed
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ID please ??
#23458477 - 07/20/16 04:42 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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WTF are these?
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Alan Rockefeller
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Re: ID please ?? [Re: pan_hed]
#23458479 - 07/20/16 04:46 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copelandia
Microscopy is required to see which species it is.
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pan_hed
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could it be true? do we really have a chance here to contribute to the international scientific community and clarify a sub species of panaeolus cyanescens aka "copelandia) using microscopy?> if that is the case all I need to do then is head over to the university and find some one who is interested and already does biology/mycology. this should be fun. hmmmm surprised this hasn't already been done as it is well known that these mushrooms get you high. even the most uneducated person i have met knows these are "drunk"(literal translation) mushrooms. edit: side note these might be some of the most potent / agreeable actives on earth. I am aware that other actives do have some of them anyway a tad bit higher levels of psilocin but these are almost worry free off the shelf and hit like a freight train and then turn into a magic carpet ...er ... anyway it looks like Nataraja and Raman did some work on what they ended up calling copelandia tropica and Singer and RA Weeks did the copelandia tropicalis however there are not wikipedia pages associated with either of these bodies of work. putting ll that together with current work will be key to mapping out this situation unless we subscribe that they are cyanescens directly in such case i would then be back at square one and relying on Berkley and Broome) Singer ... after having considered all of my options here I must conclude that I have successfully trolled myself on an otherwise boring yet interesting day in the land of shrooms and honeys
Edited by pan_hed (07/20/16 05:13 AM)
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Alan Rockefeller
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Re: ID please ?? [Re: pan_hed]
#23458504 - 07/20/16 05:21 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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If you want to contribute to the scientific knowledge you'll need to check the microscopy and compare with Gerhardt 1996, and also sequence the DNA (ITS region is most important, followed by LSU), then upload the sequence to GenBank.
Here's my most up to date Copelandia FASTA, which includes everything in GenBank plus a few that are not in GenBank.
> Copelandia sp. MO188954 Ohio GGTAGACGCTGTTGCTGTCCCTCTCGGGGGAATCTTGTGCACGCATCTGCCTTTTTTGTTTATCCACCTGTGCATACACTGTAGGTCTGGGGGAAGTCTTGTAAGGGAGGTAACTCTCTGAAGGGCTTCATTCATTCCCAGGTCCTATGTATTTTTACATATACACTATAGAAAGTAACAGAACGAATCAATGGGCATTAGCCTATAAACTATATACAACTTTCAGCAACGGATCTCTTGGCTCTCGCATCGATGAAGAACGCAGCGAAATGCGATAAGTAATGTGAATTGCAGAATTCAGTGAATCATCGAATCTTTGAACGCACCTTGCGCTCGTTGGTATTCCGACGAGCATGCCTGTTTGAGTGTCATTAAATTCTCAACCTCATCACTTTTGTGATGATGGCTTGGATGTGGAGGTTTTCTGCAGGCTGTCAAAAGTCTGCTCCTCTCAAATGAATTAGTGGGTGCCCCGCGCAAACCTATCTATTGGTGTGATAATTATCTACGCCGTGGGTTTAAGGATTGCTGTAAAAAGGTGTTTGCCCTGCTTCTAACTGTCCTGTTATTGGGACAACTTGAACCATTTGACCTCAAATCAGGTAGGACTACCCGCTGAACTTAAGCATATCAATAAGCGGAGGAAAAGAAACTAACAAGGATTCCCCTAGTAACTGCGAGTGAAGCGGGAAAAGCTCAAATTTAAAATCTGGCAGTCTCTGATTGTCCGAGTTGTAATCTAGAGAAGCATTATCCGCGCTGGACCgtgtac > Copelandia sp. MO188944 Ohio GGTAGACGCTGTTGCTGTCCCTCTCGGGGGAATCTTGTGCACGCATCTGCCTTTTTTGTTTATCCACCTGTGCATACACTGTAGGTCTGGGGGAAGTCTTGTAAGGGAGGTAACTCTCTGAAGGGCTTCATTCATTCCCAGGTCCTATGTATTTTTACATATACACTATAGAAAGTAACAGAACGAATCAATGGGCATTAGCCTATAAACTATATACAACTTTCAGCAACGGATCTCTTGGCTCTCGCATCGATGAAGAACGCAGCGAAATGCGATAAGTAATGTGAATTGCAGAATTCAGTGAATCATCGAATCTTTGAACGCACCTTGCGCTCGTTGGTATTCCGACGAGCATGCCTGTTTGAGTGTCATTAAATTCTCAACCTCATCACTTTTGTGATGATGGCTTGGATGTGGAGGTTTTCTGCAGGCTGTCAAAAGTCTGCTCCTCTCAAATGAATTAGTGGGTGCCCCGCGCAAACCTATCTATTGGTGTGATAATTATCTACGCCGTGGGTTTAAGGATTGCTGTAAAAAGGTGTTTGCCCTGCTTCTAACTGTCCTGTTATTGGGACAACTTGAACCATTTGACCTCAAATCAGGTAGGACTACCCGCTGAACTTAAGCATATCAATAAGCGGAGGAAAAGAAACTAACAAGGATTCCCCTAGTAACTGCGAGTGAAGCGGGAAAAGCTCAAATTTAAAATCTGGCAGTCTCTGATTGTCCGAGTTGTAATCTAGAGAAGCATTATCCGCGCTGGACCgtgtc > Copelandia cf. chlorocystis 168631 Florida TCGAATAAACTAGGTAGACGCTGTTGCTGTCCCTCTCGGGGGAATCTTGTGCACGCATCTGCCTTTTTTGTTTATCCACCTGTGCACACACTGTAGGTCTGGGGGAAGTCTTGTAAGGGAGGTAACTCTCTGAAGGGCTTCATTCATTCCCAGGTCCTATGTATTTTTACATATACACTATAGAAAGTAACAGAACGAATCAATGGGCATTAGCCTATAAACTATATACAACTTTCAGCAACGGATCTCTTGGCTCTCGCATCGATGAAGAACGCAGCGAAATGCGATAAGTAATGTGAATTGCAGAATTCAGTGAATCATCGAATCTTTGAACGCACCTTGCGCTCGTTGGTATTCCGATGAGCATGCCTGTTTGAGTGTCATTAAATTCTCAACCTCATCACTTTTGTGATGATGGCTTGGATGTGGAGGTTTTCTGCAGGCTGTCAAAAGTCTGCTCCTCTCAAATGAATTAGTGGGTGCCCCGTGCAAACCTATCTATTGGTGTGATAATTATCTACGCCGTGGGTTTAAGGATTGCTGTAAAAAGGTGTTTGCCCTGCTTCTAACCGTCCTGTTATTGGGACAACTTGAACCATTTGACCTCAAATCAGGTAGGACTACCCGCTGAACTTAAGC >JX974751 Copelandia China: Laizhou Bay TCCGTAGGTGAACCTGCGGAAGGATCATTATCGAATAAACTAGGTAGACGCTGTTGCTGTCCCTCTCGGGGGAATCTTGT GCACGCATCTGCCTTTTTTGTTTATCCACCTGTGCACACACTGTAGGTCTGGGGGAAGTCTTGTAAGGGAGGTAACTCTC TGAAGGGCTTCATTCATTCCCAGGTCCTATGTATTTTTACATATACACTATAGAAAGTAACAGAACGAATCAATGGGCGT TAGCCTATAAACTATATACAACTTTCAGCAACGGATCTCTTGGCTCTCGCATCGATGAAGAACGCAGCGAAATGCGATAA GTAATGTGAATTGCAGAATTCAGTGAATCATCGAATCTTTGAACGCACCTTGCGCTCGTTGGTATTCCGACGAGCATGCC TGTTTGAGTGTCATTAAATTCTCAACCTCATCACTTTTGTGATGATGGCTTGGATGTGGAGGTTTTCTGCAGGCTGTCAA AAGTCTGCTCCTCTCAAATGAATTAGTGGGTGCCCCGCGCAAACCTATCTATTGGTGTGATAATTATCTACGCCGTGGGT TTAAGGATTGCTGTAAAAAGGTGTTTGCCCTGCTTCTAACCGTCCTGTTATTGGGACAACTTGAACCATTTGACCTCAAA TCAGGTAGGACTACCCGCTGAACTTAAGCATATCAATAAGCGGAGGAAAAGAAACTAACAAGGATTCCCCTAGTAACTGC GAGTGAAGCGGGAAAAGCTCAAATTTAAAATCTGGCAGCCTCTGATTGTCCGAGTTGTAATCTAGAGAAGCATTATCCGC GCTGGACCGTGTACAAGTCTCCTGGAATGGAGCGTCATAGAGGGTGAGAATCCCGTCTTTGACACGGACTGCCAGGGCTT TGTGATGTGCTCTCAAAGAGTCGAGTTGTTTGGGAATGCAGCTCAAAATGGGTGGTAAATTCCATCTAAAGCTAAATATT GGCGAGAGACCGATAGCGAACAAGTACCGTGAGGGAAAGATGAAAAGAACTTTGGAAAGAGAGTTAACACAGTACGTGAA ATTGCTGAAAGGGAAACGCTTGAAGT >EU834287 Copelandia cyanescens var. bisporus Italy TAAGGAAGTAAAAGTCGTAACAAGGTTTCCGTAGGTGAACCTGCGGAAGGATCATTATCGAATAAACTAGGTAGAAGCTG TTGCTGTCCCTCTCGGGGGAATTTTGTGCACGCATCTGCCTTTTTTGTTTATCCACCTGTGCACACACTGTAGGTCTGGG GGAAGTCTTGTAAGGGAGGTAACTCTCTGAACGGCTTCATTCATTCCCAGGTCCTATGTATTTTTACACATACACTATAG AAAGTAACAGAACGAATCAATGGGCATTAGCCTATAAACTATATACAACTTTCAGCAACGGATCTCTTGGCTCTCGCATC GATGAAGAACGCAGCGAAATGCGATAAGTAATGTGAATTGCAGAATTCAGTGAATCATCGAATCTTTGAACGCACCTTGC GCTCGTTGGTATTCCGACGAGCATGCCTGTTTGAGTGTCATTAAATTCTCAACCTCATCACTTTTGTGATGATGGCTTGG ATGTGGAGGTTTTCTGCAGGCTGTCAAAAGTCTGCTCCTCTCAAATGAATTAGTGGGTGCCCCGCGCAAACCTATCTATT GGTGTGATAATTATCTACGCCGTGGGTTTAAGGATTGCTGTAAAAAGGTGTTTGCCCTGCTTCTAACCGTCCTGTTATTG GGACAACTTGAACCATTTGACCTCAAATCAGGTAGGACTACCCGCTGAACTTAAGCATATCAATAAGCGGAGGAAAAGAA ACTAACAAGGATTTCCCCTAGTAACTGCGAGTGAAGCGGGAAAAGCTCAAATTTAAAATCTGGCAGTCTCTGATTGTCCG AGTTGTAATCTAGAGAAGCATTATCCGCGCTGGACCGTGTACAAGTCTCCTGGAATGGAGCGTCATAGAGGGTGAGAATC CCGTCTTTGACACGGACTGCCAGGGCTTTGTGATGTGCTCTCAAAGAGTCGAGTTGTTTGGGAATGCAGCTCAAAATGGG TGGTAAATTCCATCTAAAGCTAAATATTGGCGAGAGACCGATAGCGAACAAGTACCGTGAGGGAAAGATGAAAAGAACTT TGGAAAGAGAGTTAAACAGTACGTGAAATTGCTGAAAGGGAAACGCTTGAAGTCAGTCGCGTTGGCCGGGAATCAACCTT GCTTTTGCTGGGCGTACTTCCTGGTCAATGGGTCAGCATCAATTTTGACCGTTGGATAAAGTTTCTAGGAATGTGGCATC TTCGGATGTGTTATAGCCTAGTTTCGCATACAACGGTTGGGATTGAGGAACTCAGCACGCCGCAAGGCCGGGTTTTTAAC CACGTTCGTGCTTAGGATGCTGGCATAATGGCTTTAATCGACCCGTCTTGAAACACGGACCAAGGAGTCTAACATGCCTG CGAGTGTTTGGGTGGAAAACCCGAGCGCGTAATGAAAGTGAAAGTTGAGATCCCTGTCGTGGGGAGCATCGACGCCCGGA CTTGAACTTCTGTGACGGATCCGCGGTAGAGCATGTATGTTGGGACCCGAAAGATGGTGAACTATGCCTGAATAGGGTGA AGCCAGAGGAAACTCTGGTGGAGGCTCGTAGCGATTCTGACGTGCAAATCGATCGTCAAATTTGGGTATAGGGGCGAAAG ACTAATCGAACCATCTAGTAGCTGGTTCCTGCCGAAGTTTCCCTCAGGATAGCAGAAACTCATATCAGATTTATGTGGTA AAGCGAATGATTAGAGGCCTTGGGGTTGAAACAACCTTAACCTATTCTCAAACTTTAAATATGTAAGAACGAGCCGTCTC TTGATTGGACCGCTCGGCGATTGAGAGTTTCTAGTGGGCCATTTTTGGTAAGCAGAACTGGCGATGCGGGATGAACCGAA CGCGAGGTTAAGGTGCCGGAATTCACGCTCATCAGACACCACAAAAGGTGTTAGTTCATCTAGACAGCAGGACGGTGGCC ATGGAAGTCGGAACCCGCTAAGGAGTGTGTAACAACTCACCTGCCGAATGAACTAGCCCTGAAAATGGATGGCGCTTAAG CGTGATACCCATACCTCGCCGTCAGCGTTGAAGTGACGCGCTGACGAGTAGGCAGGCGTGGAGGTCAGTGAAGAAGCCTT GGCAGTGATGCTGGGTGAAACGGCCTCTAGTGCAGATCTTGGTT >AB158633 Copelandia cambodginiensis Colombia AAGGATCATTATCGAATAAACTAGGTAGATGCTGTTGCTGTCCCTCTCGGGGGAAACTTGTGCACGCTTCTGCCTTTTTT GTTTATCCACCTGTGCACACACTGTAGGTCTGGGGAAGTCTGGTAAGGGAGGTAACTCTCTGAACGGCTTCATTCATTCC CAGGTCCTATGTATTTTTACATATACACTATAGAAAGTAACAGAACGAATCAATGGGCATTAGCCTATAAACTATATACA ACTTTCAGCAACGGATCTCTTGGCTCTCGCATCGATGAAGAACGCAGCGAAATGCGATAAGTAATGTGAATTGCAGAATT CAGTGAATCATCGAATCTTTGAACGCACCTTGCGCTCGTTGGTATTCCGACGAGCATGCCTGTTTGAGTGTCATTAAATT CTCAACCTCATCACTTTTGTGATGATGGCTTGGATGTGGAGGTTTTCTGCAGGCTTGTCAAAAGTCTGCTCCTCTCAAAT GAATTAGTGGGTGCCCCGCGCAAACCTATCTATTGGTGTGATAATTATCTACGCCGTGGGTTTAAGGATTGCTGTAAAAA GGTGTTTGCCCTGCTTCTAACCGTCCTATTCTTGGGACAACTTGAACCATTTGACCTCAAATCAGGTAGGACTACCCGCT GAACTTAAGCATATCAATAAGCGGAGGAAAAGAAACTAACAAGGATTCCCCTAGTAACTGCGAGTGAAGCGGGAAAAGCT CAAATTTAAAATCTGGCAGTCTCTGATTGTCCGAGTTGTAATCTAGAGAAGCATTATCCGCGCTGGACCGTGTACAAGTC TCCTGGAATGGAGCGTCATAGAGGGTGAGAATCCCGTCTTTGACACGGACTGCCAGGGCTTTGTGATGTGCTCTCAAAGA GTCGAGTTGTTTGGGAATGCAGCTCAAAATGGGTGGTAAATTCCATCTAAAGCTAAATATTGGCGAGAGACCGATAGCGA ACAAGTACCGTGAGGGAAAGATGAAAAGAACTTTGGAAAGAGAGTTAAACAGTACGTGAAATTGCTGAAAGGGAAACGCT TGAAGTCAGTCGCGTTGGCCGGGAATCAACCTTGCTTTTGCTGGGCGTACTTCCTGGTCAACGGGTCAGCATCAATTTTG ACCGTTGGATAAAGTTTCTGGGAATGTGGCATCTTCGGATGTGTTATAGCCTAGATTCGTATACAACGGTTGGGATTGAG GAACTCAGCACGCCGCAAGGCCGGGTTTTTAACCACGTTCGTGCTTAGGATGCTGGCATAATGGCTTTAATCGACCCGTC TTGAAACACGGACCAAGGAGTCTAACATGCCTGCGAGTGTTTGGGTGGAAAACCCGAGCGCGTAATGAAAGTGAAAGTTG AGATCCCTGTCGTGGGGAGCATCGACGCCCGGACTTGAACTTCTGTGACGGATCCGCGGTAGAGCATGTATGTTGGGACC CGAAAGATGGTGAACTATGCCTGAATAGGGTGAAGCCAGAGGAAACTCTGGTGGAGGCTCGTAGCGATTCTGACGTGCAA ATCGATCGTCAAATTTGGGTATAGGGGCGAAAGACTAATCGAACCATCTAGTAGCTGGTTCC >HM035084 Copelandia cyanescens ATCATTATCGAATAAACTAGGTAGATGCTGTTGCTGTCCCTCTCGGGGGAAACTTGTGCACGCTTCTGCCTTTTTTGTTT ATCCACCTGTGCACACACTGTAGGTCTGGGGAAGTCTGGTAAGGGAGGTAACTCTCTGAACGGCTTCATTCATTCCCAGG TCCTATGTATTTTTACATATACACTATAGAAAGTAACAGAACRAATCAATGGGCATTAGCCTATAAACTATATACAACTT TCAGCAACGGATCTCTTGGCTCTCGCATCGATGAAGAACGCAGCGAAATGCGATAAGTAATGTGAATTGCAGAATTCAGT GAATCATCGAATCTTTGAACGCACCTTGCGCTCGTTGGTATTCCGACGAGCATGCCTGTTTGAGTGTCATTAAATTCTCA ACCTCATCACTTTTGTGATGATGGCTTGGATGTGGAGGTTTTCTGCAGGCTTGTCAAAAGTCTGCTCCTCTCAAATGAAT TAGTGGGTGCCCCGCGCAAACCTATCTATTGGTGTGATAATTATCTACGCCGTGGGTTTAAGGATTGCTGTAAAAAGGTG TTTGCCCTGCTTCTAACCGTCCTATTCTTGGGACAACTTGAACCATTTGACCTCAAATCAGGTAGGACTACCCGCTGAAC TTAAGCATATCAATAAGCGGAGGAAAAGAAACTAACAAGGATTCCCCTAGTAACTGCGAGTGAAGCGGGAAAAGCTCAAA TTTAAAATCTGGCAGTCTCTGATTGTCCGAGTTGTAATCTAGAGAAGCATTATCCGCGCTGGACCGTGTACAAGTCTCCT GGAATGGAGCGTCATAGAGGGTGAGAATCCCGTCTTTGACACGGACTGCCAGGGCTTTGTGATGTGCTCTCAAAGAGTCG AGTTGTTTGGGAATGCAGCTCAAAATGGGTGGTAAATTCCATCTAAAGCTAAATATTGGCGAGAGACCGATAGCGAACAA GTACCGTGAGGGAAAGATGAAAAGAACTTTGGAAAGAGAGTTAAACAGTACGTGAAATTGCTGAAAGGGAAACGCTTGAA GTCAGTCGCGTTGGCCGGGAATCAACCTTGCTTTTGCTGGGCGTACTTCCTGGTCAACGGGTCAGCATCAATTTTGACCG TTGGATAAAGTTTCTGGGAATGTGGCATCTTCGGATGTGTTATAGCCTAGATTCGTATACAACGGTTGGGATTGAGGAAC TCAGCACGCCGCAAGGCCGGGTTTTTAACCACGTTCGTGCTTAGGATGCTGGCATAATGGCTTTAATCGACCCGTCTTGA AACACGGACCAAGGAGTCTAACATGCCTGCGAGTGTTTGGGTGGAAAACCCGAGCGCGTAATGAAAGTGAAAGTTGAGAT CCCTGTCGTGGGGAGCATCGACGCCCGGACTTGAACTTCTGTGACGGATCCGCGGTAGAGCATGTATGTTGGGACCCGAA AGATGGTGAACTATGCCTGAATAGGGTGAAGCCAGAGGAAACTCTGGTGGAGGCTCGTAGCGATTCTGACGTGCAAATCG ATCGTCAAATTTGGGTATAGGGGCGAAAGACTAATCGAACCATCTAGTAGCTGGTTCCTGCCGAAGTTTCCCTCAGGATA GCAGAAACTCATATCAGATTTATGTGGTAAAGCGAATGATTAGAGGCCTTGGGGTTGAAACAACCTTAACCTATTCTCAA ACTTTAAATATGTAAGAACGAGCCGTCTCTTGATTGGACCGCTCGGCGATTGAGAGTTTCTAGTGGGCCATTTTTGGTAA GCAGAACTGGCGATGCGGGATGAACCGAACGCGAGGTTAAGGTGCCGGAATTCACGCTCATCAGACACCACAAAAGGTGT TAGTTCATCTAGACAGCAGGACGGTGGCCATGGAAGTCGGAATCCGCTAAGGAGTGTGTAACAACTCACCTGCCGAATGA ACTAGCCCTGAAAATGGATGGCGCTTAAGCGTGATACCCATACCTCGCCGTCAGCGTTGAAGTGACGCGCTGACGAGTAG GCAGGCGTGGAGGTCA >HM035085 Copelandia sp. MW-2010 AGGATCATTATCGAATAAACTAGGTAGATGCTGTTGCTGTCCCTCTCGGGGGAAACTTGTGCACGCTTCTGCCTTTTTTG TTTATCCACCTGTGCACACACTGTAGGTCTGGGGAAGTCTGGTAAGGGAGGTAACTCTCTGAACGGCTTCATTCATTCCC AGGTCCTATGTATTTTTACATATACACTATAGAAAGTAACAGAACAAATCAATGGGCATTAGCCTATAAACTATATACAA CTTTCAGCAACGGATCTCTTGGCTCTCGCATCGATGAAGAACGCAGCGAAATGCGATAAGTAATGTGAATTGCAGAATTC AGTGAATCATCGAATCTTTGAACGCACCTTGCGCTCGTTGGTATTCCGACGAGCATGCCTGTTTGAGTGTCATTAAATTC TCAACCTCATCACTTTTGTGATGATGGCTTGGATGTGGAGGTTTTCTGCAGGCTTGTCAAAAGTCTGCTCCTCTCAAATG AATTAGTGGGTGCCCCGCGCAAACCTATCTATTGGTGTGATAATTATCTACGCCGTGGGTTTAAGGATTGCTGTAAAAAG GTGTTTGCCCTGCTTCTAACCGTCCTATTCTTGGGACAACTTGAACCATTTGACCTCAAATCAGG |