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ConcreteWaves



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Backyard Chicken Manure Compost
#23457983 - 07/19/16 11:01 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Moved to the high desert n i got some chickens now. I'm wanting to compost in the backyard with straw, chicken manure, egg shells, coco coir, and spent coffee grounds.
I've been reading around and I haven't heard about this exact mix of things, but I've read each one individually in different ways used for a substrate with good results. Hoping for great results from all the different add ins to the compost. What do you think?
Anyone else compost their substrate? How do ya go about it and what do you use? I'm gonna make a spinning compost bin out of wood & screen.
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Groo
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Hopefully someone will mauve this question to regular cultivation this is NOT an advanced topic.
2) This forum is for the discussion of advanced techniques and experimental procedures. This forum is NOT a support forum, for problems with your grows. Any posts regarding how to use a pressure cooker, your PF Cakes, a species which has been cultivated ad nauseam, grain ratios, contaminated grows, how to prepare dung, or anything else which has been covered in the forum, etc... will be moved immediately upon review - so please, do not waste the resources, time, or bandwidth of the shroomery.
Edited by Groo (07/20/16 07:41 AM)
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ConcreteWaves



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Re: Backyard Chicken Manure Compost [Re: Groo]
#23458799 - 07/20/16 08:23 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Groo said: Hopefully someone will mauve this question to regular cultivation this is NOT an advanced topic.
2) This forum is for the discussion of advanced techniques and experimental procedures. This forum is NOT a support forum, for problems with your grows. Any posts regarding how to use a pressure cooker, your PF Cakes, a species which has been cultivated ad nauseam, grain ratios, contaminated grows, how to prepare dung, or anything else which has been covered in the forum, etc... will be moved immediately upon review - so please, do not waste the resources, time, or bandwidth of the shroomery.
ok? I'm pretty sure regular growers aren't making their own substrates from scratch by composting. Figured it was more of an advanced technique. Just searched through history and there's a bunch of composting posts in advanced mycology. Maybe your just in a bad mood.
For example...let's talk compost additive ratios. Trying to make the best compost possible here, minus other manure.
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pH: 7.0 - 7.5
Soluble salts: 3.0-5. 0dS/m
Carbon Nitrogen ratio: <25:1
Total nitrogen: 0.8-1.5%
Available ammonium: <10ppm
Total phosphorus: 0.2-0.5%
Total potassium: 1.5-2.5%
Total calcium: 1.5-2.5%
Total boron: <25ppm
Available boron: 1ppm
Lig: 3.1%
Cellulose: 12%
Hemicellulose: 13%
Microbial diversity Index: >8.
Moisture content: 50-55%
Doesn't seem exact to me. Again, anyone make their own composts and would like to share their additive advantages?
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Groo
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For the second time I will point you to the Advanced Mycological Forum rules your post is within violation of at least 2 rules. I did not write rules. "https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/1437412"
Your compost bin/the contents there of and your compost mix for spawn. Are NOT an advanced mycological topic. Not in the desert, Not with chickens. not even with green eggs and ham. Not advanced in a Barn, Not advanced on a car, on mountain or in the hills. Under the ocean I do not want green eggs and ham.
Again had you posted this in cultivation you would have had your answer by now.
Edited by Groo (07/20/16 09:49 AM)
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ConcreteWaves



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Re: Backyard Chicken Manure Compost [Re: Groo]
#23459467 - 07/20/16 12:12 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Groo said: For the second time I will point you to the Advanced Mycological Forum rules your post is within violation of at least 2 rules. I did not write rules. "https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/1437412"
Your compost bin/the contents there of and your compost mix for spawn. Are NOT an advanced mycological topic. Not in the desert, Not with chickens. not even with green eggs and ham. Not advanced in a Barn, Not advanced on a car, on mountain or in the hills. Under the ocean I do not want green eggs and ham.
Again had you posted this in cultivation you would have had your answer by now.
Look pal, i dont know who made you hall monitor for the day, but if youd be so kind to stop trolling my post im looking for logical conversation about composting here with some of the pros.
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this could be an interesting "advanced" topic if we could get some discussion going regarding substrate nutrient composition / characterization in regards to different additives and their effects on growth.
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Re: Backyard Chicken Manure Compost [Re: poponon]
#23460002 - 07/20/16 04:00 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: Backyard Chicken Manure Compost [Re: Gr0wer]
#23460146 - 07/20/16 04:56 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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rather than complain about the thread I'll try to add some meaningful 'advanced discussion'. I was just looking at this journal article where they analyzed the effect of varying levels of chicken manure additive to a sisal (agave waste) based substrate.
http://www.academicjournals.org/article/article1380725374_Mwita%20et%20al.pdf
It looks like they were able to increase the growth of the saprophytic mushroom Coprinopsis cinerea when adding chicken manure to the substrate in concentrations up to 25%. I think an important thing to note would be that depending on the part of the plant the sisal was derived from, different results were achieved. I reason this could be caused by differing levels of nutrient in the particular plant sections. This is where the paper falls short a little - they provide a nutrient characterization for the sisal, but not for each individual plant section which was tested. This might make it difficult to compare to other research. any thoughts or other papers?
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Re: Backyard Chicken Manure Compost [Re: poponon]
#23460502 - 07/20/16 07:47 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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poponon said: rather than complain about the thread I'll try to add some meaningful 'advanced discussion'. I was just looking at this journal article where they analyzed the effect of varying levels of chicken manure additive to a sisal (agave waste) based substrate.
http://www.academicjournals.org/article/article1380725374_Mwita%20et%20al.pdf
It looks like they were able to increase the growth of the saprophytic mushroom Coprinopsis cinerea when adding chicken manure to the substrate in concentrations up to 25%. I think an important thing to note would be that depending on the part of the plant the sisal was derived from, different results were achieved. I reason this could be caused by differing levels of nutrient in the particular plant sections. This is where the paper falls short a little - they provide a nutrient characterization for the sisal, but not for each individual plant section which was tested. This might make it difficult to compare to other research. any thoughts or other papers?
Wow cool.
I wonder if different achieved results were also based upon time alotted to compost. I wouldn't touch a compost pile before 10 weeks at a minimum. And if your adding fresh manure each week, then i'd keep a seperate bin of "ready compost" and "fresh compost", think that's how i'm gonna have to go about it. Chicken manure runs really high in nitrogen and needs to be composted long to dial down (however one of the animal manures featuring the highest amount of organic matter after composted), and be dialuted with other components - there needs to be a base to the mix - mine being CoCo Coir as the foundation. That's why it should only be added into a full substrate as an additive, at about 5-15%.
Coco Coir, Chicken Manure, Spent Coffee Grounds, Gypsum, Vermiculite, Straw, and Egg Shells (all obviously at different amounts, coir being the most.) i'm hoping if done correctly, the proper amounts used, will yield stunning results.
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Edited by ConcreteWaves (07/20/16 07:51 PM)
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SpinScratch
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The info u are looking for is in The Mushroom Cultivator by Paul Stamets. Google the PDF. Lots of info but I really dont know how to apply it on a small scale. If you figure it out, please let me know.
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r35l
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composting for an outdoor grow is an interesting idea. the material would already be pasteurized and ready too roll, however, i wonder if a straw, or similar, additive would be needed post decay because the p.cube is a primary decomposer .?. think joshua and someone else did some outdoor beds back in the day (in archives now) where they didnt pasteurize or anything, just the grain spawn was sterilized. compost should have no problems once it is completed a cycle...but soon near the end. i wouldnt let it rest bacterial blooms and an anaerobic state would be if it rest too long
if you are to wait 10 weeks before using will you have 10 bins going at once?
i had some asshole come at me the same way that one did above, like they were all kinds of pissed that no one was admiring their sheriff sticker.... back in the day when i had my first acct (circa 03) it was so nice here... the neighborhood seems to have gone to shit lol.... those guys must have been picked on as noobs lols... that or their wives dont fuck them no mo'
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