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Dozens of former wrestlers sue WWE over brain damage
    #23457438 - 07/19/16 08:13 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

A GROUP OF over 50 former professional wrestlers and referees are suing sports entertainment giant World Wrestling Entertainment (WWE).

A lawsuit in the name of Joe “Road Warrior Animal” Laurinaitis and others alleges that WWE is liable for neurological damages they have suffered since leaving the industry.

The case, filed in Washington DC, contains the names of dozens of others, including “Superfly” Jimmy Snuka, “Mr Wonderful” Paul Orndorff and Chavo Guerrero Jr.

The complaint says that WWE and its owner Vincent McMahon “routinely failed to care for” the plaintiffs’ health in “any medically competent or meaningful manner”.

It further alleges that WWE classified them as independent contractors rather than employees in order to shift liability for their injuries.

It said the company owes each plaintiff a “legal duty”.

“WWE placed corporate gain over its wrestlers’ health, safety, and financial security, choosing to leave the plaintiffs severely injured and with no recourse to treat their damaged minds and bodies.”

The complaint says some of those involved have chronic traumatic encephalopathy (CTE) a condition seen in many American football players, caused by repeated blows to the head.

It adds that WWE has a “superior knowledge of medical science of head trauma in athletes” and that WWE had scripted matches in which neurological damage was unavoidable.

“Each of the Named Plaintiffs as a WWE performer sustained neurological injuries by simply participating in WWE matches.

    WWE wrestling matches, unlike other contact sports, involve very specific moves that are scripted, controlled, directed and choreographed by WWE. As such the moves that resulted in Named Plaintiffs’ head injuries were the direct result of the WWE’s action.

The retired performers allege that the company has “fraudulently misrepresented and concealed from the Plaintiffs the nature, extent of the occupational long-term neurological injuries that are present in each of the Named Plaintiffs as a consequence of their wrestling careers”.

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Wrestler Dead World Wreslting Entertainment Chairman Vince McMahon, right and wrestler Chris Benoit Source: AP/Press Association Images

It references the Chris Benoit case, in which the then-wrestler killed his wife and child before taking his own life. Benoit was later found to have severe CTE.

“Instead of upholding its duty to its employees, WWE placed corporate gain over its wrestlers’ health, safety, and financial security, choosing to leave the Plaintiffs severely injured and with no recourse to treat their damaged minds and bodies.

“WWE refused to provide health insurance to its employees, employee benefits, and payments to Social Security.”

It then calls the company “more akin to a 19th century carnival” where McMahon “exercised near total control”.

WWE has donated millions to the Concussion Legacy Foundation, headed by former wrestler Chris Nowinski. The complaint says that the foundation has “despite studying 187 brains for CTE since 2013,
not studied a single wrestler’s brain”.

“Over 100 wrestlers have died in this time period.”

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Jimmy Snuka Snuka wrestling in 2009 Source: swiftwj

Among those accusing the WWE of negligence, Laurinaitis claims that he suffered multiple concussions under WWE’s “ironfisted direction”. His tag partner, Michael “Hawk” Hestrand died in 2003 of a heart attack aged 43.

    He specifically recalls at least four major concussions he suffered while performing in WWE. In one instance, he was double suplexed in 1992 while performing with the Beverly Brothers and suffered an impact which herniated two discs in his neck.

“He was “powerbombed” by Shawn Michaels in 1997 immediately after returning from neck surgery. Laurinaitis has had at least 11 surgeries from the cumulative effects of his wrestling career.”

“Superfly” Jimmy Snuka, who was recently found mentally incompetent to stand trial for murder, says he has depression, anger, mood swings, headaches, dizziness, severe loss of memory and confusion.

Joseph Laurinaitis, aka Animal

Orndorff, who headlined the first Wrestlemania, says he ” gets easily confused, is clinically depressed, paranoid, repeats himself constantly and has severe mood swings”.

Another plaintiff, “The Natural” Butch Reed said he recalled being “kicked so hard you were paralysed for a few seconds!.

    The preferred WWE medical treatment was “Take yourself up, spit on it, put a band aid on it.”, “If you could put your boots on you needed to be in the ring, otherwise there was no payday.
http://www.thejournal.ie/wwe-being-sued-cte-2885031-Jul2016/


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Re: Dozens of former wrestlers sue WWE over brain damage [Re: LobsterSauce]
    #23457445 - 07/19/16 08:16 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

WWE is the only professional "sport" without a player union.

Even fucking darts has a players union.


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Re: Dozens of former wrestlers sue WWE over brain damage [Re: Ahab McBathsalts]
    #23457450 - 07/19/16 08:18 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Perhaps all of the wrestlers have pre-existing brain damage(prior to WWE).


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Re: Dozens of former wrestlers sue WWE over brain damage [Re: LobsterSauce]
    #23457456 - 07/19/16 08:21 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

About what I expected


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Re: Dozens of former wrestlers sue WWE over brain damage [Re: California]
    #23457462 - 07/19/16 08:25 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Perhaps all of the wrestlers have pre-existing brain damage(prior to WWE).




Mark Henry was legitimately the strongest man in the world and held many college powerlifting records. A few might still stand. He trained for the Olympics, but got held back from injuries.


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Re: Dozens of former wrestlers sue WWE over brain damage [Re: LobsterSauce] * 1
    #23457504 - 07/19/16 08:36 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Dam, i thought all those chairs to the head was them building up a resistance to head trauma.


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Re: Dozens of former wrestlers sue WWE over brain damage [Re: LobsterSauce]
    #23457570 - 07/19/16 08:51 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

These guys seem to have a legitimate grievance, as far as the legal system is concerned.
In my own mind, when I put myself in their shoes, I realize there's no way you could pay me enough to choose to allow my body to be abused and subjected to damage all for a paycheck and "fame" if you can call it that.
WWE may be responsible for negligence and other offenses, but I'm willing to bet Vince didn't put a gun to these guys heads and force them to get the shit kicked outta them. So there were mistakes on both sides of the table.


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Re: Dozens of former wrestlers sue WWE over brain damage [Re: IveBeenRecycled]
    #23457783 - 07/19/16 09:51 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

There is a massive grassroots movement to ban aggressive sports, it started with football, in the next 5-10 years, there will be no football, it'll start with high school and progress to college and eventually the banning of the NFL.

Not necessary, but however, The implementation of socialized medicine will exponentially speed up this process, as the cost for head trauma/brain injury type illness increases.


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Re: Dozens of former wrestlers sue WWE over brain damage [Re: LobsterSauce]
    #23458161 - 07/20/16 12:22 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Pretty messed up man they should have something....I know they have rehab programs and stuff for wrestlers battling addiction like they did for scott hall. Some sorta health insurance seems fair from the organization.


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Re: Dozens of former wrestlers sue WWE over brain damage [Re: IveBeenRecycled]
    #23459126 - 07/20/16 10:20 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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These guys seem to have a legitimate grievance, as far as the legal system is concerned.
In my own mind, when I put myself in their shoes, I realize there's no way you could pay me enough to choose to allow my body to be abused and subjected to damage all for a paycheck and "fame" if you can call it that.
WWE may be responsible for negligence and other offenses, but I'm willing to bet Vince didn't put a gun to these guys heads and force them to get the shit kicked outta them. So there were mistakes on both sides of the table.



Exactly, these guys were under pressure from themselves and the company.

There has to be a light in your head that says hey i just had surgery, maybe i shouldn't get my body thrown to the ground. Wrestlers have major substance abuse issues from the pain meds,  blow, and roids.

Wish them the best considering most are not only physically harmed but financially broke and probably now physically unable to work.


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Re: Dozens of former wrestlers sue WWE over brain damage [Re: LobsterSauce]
    #23459162 - 07/20/16 10:32 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I'm a former wrestler suing the WWE over brain damage, AMA


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Re: Dozens of former wrestlers sue WWE over brain damage [Re: Shroomopotamus]
    #23459165 - 07/20/16 10:33 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Are you a former wrestler suing the WWE?


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Re: Dozens of former wrestlers sue WWE over brain damage [Re: Apostle] * 1
    #23459176 - 07/20/16 10:37 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

What's the WWE?


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Re: Dozens of former wrestlers sue WWE over brain damage [Re: Shroomopotamus]
    #23459180 - 07/20/16 10:38 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Dozens of former wrestlers sue WWE over brain damage [Re: Apostle]
    #23459189 - 07/20/16 10:41 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Fuck those guys, lets sue em for all their chairs and beat em to a pulp with their own chairs! I love chairs! # Make chairs great again!


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Re: Dozens of former wrestlers sue WWE over brain damage [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23459364 - 07/20/16 11:38 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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There is a massive grassroots movement to ban aggressive sports, it started with football, in the next 5-10 years, there will be no football, it'll start with high school and progress to college and eventually the banning of the NFL.

Not necessary, but however, The implementation of socialized medicine will exponentially speed up this process, as the cost for head trauma/brain injury type illness increases.




I could get behind banning contact sports from grade school, teenagers probably shouldn't have their brains consistently pummeled.
They're barely human and don't have the intelligence to consent to that sort of thing.

As far as the NFL goes  :shrug:  adults can do whatever they like to themselves


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Re: Dozens of former wrestlers sue WWE over brain damage [Re: Repertoire89]
    #23459474 - 07/20/16 12:14 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

oh man. I hope they got a good lawyer :hehehe:


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Re: Dozens of former wrestlers sue WWE over brain damage [Re: LobsterSauce]
    #24095915 - 02/16/17 04:44 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

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A GROUP OF over 50 former professional wrestlers and referees are suing sports entertainment giant World Wrestling Entertainment (WWE).

A lawsuit in the name of Joe “Road Warrior Animal” Laurinaitis and others alleges that WWE is liable for neurological damages they have suffered since leaving the industry.

The case, filed in Washington DC, contains the names of dozens of others, including “Superfly” Jimmy Snuka, “Mr Wonderful” Paul Orndorff and Chavo Guerrero Jr.

The complaint says that WWE and its owner Vincent McMahon “routinely failed to care for” the plaintiffs’ health in “any medically competent or meaningful manner”.

It further alleges that WWE classified them as independent contractors rather than employees in order to shift liability for their injuries.

It said the company owes each plaintiff a “legal duty”.

“WWE placed corporate gain over its wrestlers’ health, safety, and financial security, choosing to leave the plaintiffs severely injured and with no recourse to treat their damaged minds and bodies.”

The complaint says some of those involved have chronic traumatic encephalopathy (CTE) a condition seen in many American football players, caused by repeated blows to the head.

It adds that WWE has a “superior knowledge of medical science of head trauma in athletes” and that WWE had scripted matches in which neurological damage was unavoidable.

“Each of the Named Plaintiffs as a WWE performer sustained neurological injuries by simply participating in WWE matches.

    WWE wrestling matches, unlike other contact sports, involve very specific moves that are scripted, controlled, directed and choreographed by WWE. As such the moves that resulted in Named Plaintiffs’ head injuries were the direct result of the WWE’s action.

The retired performers allege that the company has “fraudulently misrepresented and concealed from the Plaintiffs the nature, extent of the occupational long-term neurological injuries that are present in each of the Named Plaintiffs as a consequence of their wrestling careers”.

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Wrestler Dead World Wreslting Entertainment Chairman Vince McMahon, right and wrestler Chris Benoit Source: AP/Press Association Images

It references the Chris Benoit case, in which the then-wrestler killed his wife and child before taking his own life. Benoit was later found to have severe CTE.

“Instead of upholding its duty to its employees, WWE placed corporate gain over its wrestlers’ health, safety, and financial security, choosing to leave the Plaintiffs severely injured and with no recourse to treat their damaged minds and bodies.

“WWE refused to provide health insurance to its employees, employee benefits, and payments to Social Security.”

It then calls the company “more akin to a 19th century carnival” where McMahon “exercised near total control”.

WWE has donated millions to the Concussion Legacy Foundation, headed by former wrestler Chris Nowinski. The complaint says that the foundation has “despite studying 187 brains for CTE since 2013,
not studied a single wrestler’s brain”.

“Over 100 wrestlers have died in this time period.”

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Jimmy Snuka Snuka wrestling in 2009 Source: swiftwj

Among those accusing the WWE of negligence, Laurinaitis claims that he suffered multiple concussions under WWE’s “ironfisted direction”. His tag partner, Michael “Hawk” Hestrand died in 2003 of a heart attack aged 43.

    He specifically recalls at least four major concussions he suffered while performing in WWE. In one instance, he was double suplexed in 1992 while performing with the Beverly Brothers and suffered an impact which herniated two discs in his neck.

“He was “powerbombed” by Shawn Michaels in 1997 immediately after returning from neck surgery. Laurinaitis has had at least 11 surgeries from the cumulative effects of his wrestling career.”

“Superfly” Jimmy Snuka, who was recently found mentally incompetent to stand trial for murder, says he has depression, anger, mood swings, headaches, dizziness, severe loss of memory and confusion.

Joseph Laurinaitis, aka Animal

Orndorff, who headlined the first Wrestlemania, says he ” gets easily confused, is clinically depressed, paranoid, repeats himself constantly and has severe mood swings”.

Another plaintiff, “The Natural” Butch Reed said he recalled being “kicked so hard you were paralysed for a few seconds!.

    The preferred WWE medical treatment was “Take yourself up, spit on it, put a band aid on it.”, “If you could put your boots on you needed to be in the ring, otherwise there was no payday.
http://www.thejournal.ie/wwe-being-sued-cte-2885031-Jul2016/








I too think there where bad decisions made on both sides and hopefully WWE has better care for it's wrestlers going forward.


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Re: Dozens of former wrestlers sue WWE over brain damage [Re: Cannabischarlie]
    #24096065 - 02/16/17 05:41 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

people that use shitty helmets or that don't strap them tight enough get head injuries

I could see where someone wanting to get that treated but instead getting red shirted would be pissed.


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Re: Dozens of former wrestlers sue WWE over brain damage [Re: Konyap]
    #24096071 - 02/16/17 05:42 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

You would have to classify hockey as a rough sport too but I'm sure entertainment wrestling and boxing are dangerous.


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Re: Dozens of former wrestlers sue WWE over brain damage [Re: Cannabischarlie] * 1
    #24096111 - 02/16/17 05:58 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

We have to keep in mind businesses like this can be very manipulative.

I would wager they catered to new wrestlers to convince them to join, maybe pay for them to party for awhile and tell them some white lies about how safe it is. Probably have them sign a contract so they can avoid all liability and compensate them minimally.

Clearly both sides are at fault somewhat but many of these guys probably weren't the smartest to begin with and I bet if you get them drunk enough and or buy them some other drugs it would be simple enough to convince them to fight.


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Re: Dozens of former wrestlers sue WWE over brain damage [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #24096153 - 02/16/17 06:18 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

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There is a massive grassroots movement to ban aggressive sports, it started with football, in the next 5-10 years, there will be no football, it'll start with high school and progress to college and eventually the banning of the NFL.




Professional and even college football are huge unlimited ATM machines. They just sweat money. Advertising, merchandise, bill boards kids shirts footballs sneakers cleats jerseys the list goes on all the live long day. Imagine no super bowl revenue? I bet it would significantly impact the economy. They'll never let it be banned.


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Re: Dozens of former wrestlers sue WWE over brain damage [Re: Adden]
    #24096200 - 02/16/17 06:42 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

Football costs the taxpayers a lot of money, its very detrimental to the economy.


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Re: Dozens of former wrestlers sue WWE over brain damage [Re: Repertoire89]
    #24096211 - 02/16/17 06:48 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

Someone's cleaning up that money haha its not going up in smoke.


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Re: Dozens of former wrestlers sue WWE over brain damage [Re: Adden] * 1
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Re: Dozens of former wrestlers sue WWE over brain damage [Re: g00ru]
    #24097022 - 02/17/17 04:53 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

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oh man. I hope they got a good lawyer :hehehe:




Sounds like they have a decent one:

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WWE wrestling matches, unlike other contact sports, involve very specific moves that are scripted, controlled, directed and choreographed by WWE. As such the moves that resulted in Named Plaintiffs’ head injuries were the direct result of the WWE’s action.






^^I thought that was a pretty slick legal argument myself.


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Re: Dozens of former wrestlers sue WWE over brain damage [Re: badchad] * 1
    #24097224 - 02/17/17 08:22 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

After the wrestlers sue for brain damage, comes the lawsuit of the viewers.


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Re: Dozens of former wrestlers sue WWE over brain damage [Re: Asante]
    #24097267 - 02/17/17 08:49 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

WWF= GAY GAY GAY! One of the most (if not the most) homoerotic "sports" (and I use the term VERY loosely) ever besides football.:scat: They got what they deserved, braindead idiots in the first place.:shrug: WTF did they think would happen slamming their bodies and heads around, IDIOTS! If all the gay players in the NFL and the WWF came out, holy cow, people would freak! GAY GAY GAY!


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Re: Dozens of former wrestlers sue WWE over brain damage [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #24097437 - 02/17/17 10:24 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

Kinda reminds me of crossfit. :datass:


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Re: Dozens of former wrestlers sue WWE over brain damage [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #24097453 - 02/17/17 10:29 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

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WWF= GAY GAY GAY! One of the most (if not the most) homoerotic "sports" (and I use the term VERY loosely) ever besides football.:scat: They got what they deserved, braindead idiots in the first place.:shrug: WTF did they think would happen slamming their bodies and heads around, IDIOTS! If all the gay players in the NFL and the WWF came out, holy cow, people would freak! GAY GAY GAY!





I dont believe that for a minute

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Re: Dozens of former wrestlers sue WWE over brain damage [Re: tyrannicalrex]
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WWF= GAY GAY GAY! One of the most (if not the most) homoerotic "sports" (and I use the term VERY loosely) ever besides football.:scat: They got what they deserved, braindead idiots in the first place.:shrug: WTF did they think would happen slamming their bodies and heads around, IDIOTS! If all the gay players in the NFL and the WWF came out, holy cow, people would freak! GAY GAY GAY!



They got what they deserved... because they were gay? :philososloth:

That's not very open minded of you Tyrannical. We live in an accepting society.


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Re: Dozens of former wrestlers sue WWE over brain damage [Re: PatrickKn]
    #24097563 - 02/17/17 11:08 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

lol.:archiebunker: 2 separate statements,lol.


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Re: Dozens of former wrestlers sue WWE over brain damage [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #24097572 - 02/17/17 11:11 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

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lol.:archiebunker: 2 separate statements,lol.



I know, I'm giving you shit. That's how it looked when I first read it though.

I'd say that the entertainment companies that profit off their head bashing antics should be somewhat responsible for their mental healthcare afterwards, even if it's deserved for doing dumb shit with your head. Doubly so for foot ball players. But really that should all be a part of the contract.


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Re: Dozens of former wrestlers sue WWE over brain damage [Re: LobsterSauce]
    #24097832 - 02/17/17 12:50 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

since most of WWE is staged i always figured people didnt get hurt so much, seems i was wrong.

those guys are pretty stupid for beating each other into permanent brain/body damage.

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Re: Dozens of former wrestlers sue WWE over brain damage [Re: Connoisseur]
    #24097910 - 02/17/17 01:35 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

Some of those moves are going to hurt no matter how you stage them  :circularargument:


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Re: Dozens of former wrestlers sue WWE over brain damage [Re: Asante]
    #24098073 - 02/17/17 02:47 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

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After the wrestlers sue for brain damage, comes the lawsuit of the viewers.




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Re: Dozens of former wrestlers sue WWE over brain damage [Re: Repertoire89]
    #24098201 - 02/17/17 03:44 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

I grew up when Wwf was still a thing and I also grew up with reruns & vhs of ECW . They were pretty hardcore . Now the WWE is rated G literally. They can't show much skin for the female wrestlers which kind of ruins their division. It's been a sinking ship for a while.

That being said it really does seem like they treat their employees like they are in a 1800s carnival. Even if they're idiots they shouldn't have to suffer silently


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Re: Dozens of former wrestlers sue WWE over brain damage [Re: Seriously_trippin]
    #24100887 - 02/18/17 06:03 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

I don't think that a lot of the people here fully understand pro wrestling....


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Re: Dozens of former wrestlers sue WWE over brain damage [Re: Cannabischarlie]
    #24100927 - 02/18/17 06:17 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

I'm not so sure that even pro wrestlers understand it.


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Re: Dozens of former wrestlers sue WWE over brain damage [Re: PatrickKn]
    #24101795 - 02/19/17 01:21 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

Can't they just do thumb wrestling instead?  Carpal Tunnel is a lot less debilitating than CTE.


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Re: Dozens of former wrestlers sue WWE over brain damage [Re: Asante]
    #24102160 - 02/19/17 09:03 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

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After the wrestlers sue for brain damage, comes the lawsuit of the viewers.




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Re: Dozens of former wrestlers sue WWE over brain damage [Re: LobsterSauce]
    #24102446 - 02/19/17 11:21 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

I find it hard to believe they didn't sign their life and brain away absolving the WWE of any responsibility when they signed their contract.


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