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SonicTitan



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Re: What is your definition of transcendence or enlightenment? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
#23457821 - 07/19/16 10:03 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Its such a weird term since its so subjective. What if someone only felt enlightened after murdering another person would that make him/her less enlightened than if we take a drug and reach that same state of conscienceous?.. There are multiple pathways and states/forms of enlightenment and i dont think we will ever be able to know what it is since it means something different to everyone and we all have our own ways to reach these points in our minds and how we see the world.
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AuroraBorealis88
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Re: What is your definition of transcendence or enlightenment? [Re: SonicTitan]
#23458087 - 07/19/16 11:40 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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But does it really mean something different to everyone? Plus just because someone feels enlightened doesn't necessarily mean they are.
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redgreenvines
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Re: What is your definition of transcendence or enlightenment? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
#23458390 - 07/20/16 03:22 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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sometimes you meet a person like the Dalai Lama and you go, "hey that's very cool, I could definitely learn something here!"
He will most likely deny being "enlightened" or finished/complete in any way.
nearly everyone next to him seems like a child yet he seems even more childlike than them all.
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SonicTitan



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Re: What is your definition of transcendence or enlightenment? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
#23458450 - 07/20/16 04:16 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Oh of course man, I feel almost everyone has a false sense of enlightenment. Especially after taking a psychedelic drug. I was just trying to say would the paths really be such a straight line or only have one destination. Or is it just a matter of your own idea of what it is. Maybe the true nature of enlightenment is how you feel inside on such a personal level that outside influence has no corolation to what you should feel or do to get to that state of existence. I feel to have people direct you or tell you how to reach enlightenment or what you should feel is the complete opposite and defeats the whole purpose of that state of mind when you need people to tell you about it. I feel its reached by your own doings with your own knowledge that you apply to your own mind. Its hard to say someone doesnt feel that way when we cant see through their eyes or have their thought process.
Sorry i kinda started rambling hahaha hope its not too stupid sounding.
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Re: What is your definition of transcendence or enlightenment? [Re: SonicTitan]
#23459395 - 07/20/16 11:51 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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GrandPoobah
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Re: What is your definition of transcendence or enlightenment? [Re: psychobla] 1
#23460038 - 07/20/16 04:17 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Like I said, it's bullshit
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Re: What is your definition of transcendence or enlightenment? [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
#23460595 - 07/20/16 08:16 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Completely off topic, my apologies. But is your signature picture a DJ faking a performance
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BennyStiller


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Re: What is your definition of transcendence or enlightenment? [Re: psychobla]
#23460796 - 07/20/16 09:11 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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psychobla said: My speech is neither light nor dark, for it is the speech of someone who is growing. -paraphrased from The Red Book by Jung

Zen Beginner's Mind all day!
There's levels to this shit playa. I don't think anyone claiming to be "enlightened" or "done growing" is even on the path.
I think it's possible that attempting to objectively define enlightenment can even manifest itself as a form of spiritual bypassing for myself and some others (if you buy into such things.)
IMO all we can do is strive to achieve to understand the meaning of these words and then give them definitions from a personal point of view. No one I have ever met has claimed to achieve true enlightenment nor has claimed to fully comprehend transcendence. Yet the desire to understand the meanings a little at a time, and how the interpretation of such meaning translates to each of us, is a worth while endeavor, IMO.
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PrimalSoup
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Re: What is your definition of transcendence or enlightenment? [Re: BennyStiller]
#23460822 - 07/20/16 09:20 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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What is your definition of transcendence or enlightenment?
Not a place anybody wants to go, trying to define such things. Buddhism has tried it a lot, Zen scholar D.T. Suzuki wrote this (in part):
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1. People often imagine that the discipline of Zen is to produce a state of self-suggestion through meditation. This entirely misses the mark, as can be seen from the various instances cites above. Satori does not consist in producing a certain premeditated condition by intensely thinking of it. It is acquiring a new point of view for looking at things. Ever since the unfoldment of consciousness we have been led to respond to the inner and outer conditions in a certain conceptual and analytical manner. The discipline of Zen consists in upsetting this groundwork once for all and reconstructing the old frame on an entirely new basis. It is evident, therefore, that meditating on metaphysical and symbolic statements, which are products of the relative consciousness, play no part in Zen.
If that resonates with you check out the full text.
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BennyStiller said: My path for this centers around removing the obstructed view of ordinary life, dissolving the pre-conceived ideals of society, altering any lingering implanted views brought on by childhood experiences, and realizing that universal understanding and our own self perception, are inconceivably vast and incredibly beautiful.
Well, personally (especially if you're using psychs to further this work) I would be really cautious about maintaining such preconceived ideas about the process, because IME it isn't anything you can point to afterwards, since the thing you sought to liberate yourself from essentially disappears entirely, leaving you in a new sort of world. And you get to repeat this process many times as your preconceived ideas are found to be inadequate, each in their turn. That doesn't stop the small and familiar mind (AKA "ego") from throwing up new sorts of limitations, because that's just what it does. You can't beat it into submission, but you can eventually get it shut the fuck up from time to time, long enough to see it for what it is and work beyond it. I don't know it that's "enlightenment" but at least it's useful.
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MrBlueYoMind
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Re: What is your definition of transcendence or enlightenment? [Re: psychobla]
#23460888 - 07/20/16 09:36 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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psychobla said:
There's levels to this shit playa. I don't think anyone claiming to be "enlightened" or "done growing" is even on the path.
How ironic.
If you aren't enlightened, then how do you know there are levels to it?
How do you know you are on the path unless you've been shown the path by someone who is enlightened (wouldn't they have to tell you they are enlightened to reassure you that YOU are on the right path or show you the path)?
How do you know there is even enlightenment if you haven't met or known someone who is enlightened or at least read about someone who claimed to be enlightened?
If you aren't enlightened, then why do you think people who claim to be enlightened aren't on the path?
You sound confused, psychobla.
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BennyStiller


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Re: What is your definition of transcendence or enlightenment? [Re: PrimalSoup]
#23460902 - 07/20/16 09:39 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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PrimalSoup said:
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What is your definition of transcendence or enlightenment?
Not a place anybody wants to go, trying to define such things. Buddhism has tried it a lot, Zen scholar D.T. Suzuki wrote this (in part):
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1. People often imagine that the discipline of Zen is to produce a state of self-suggestion through meditation. This entirely misses the mark, as can be seen from the various instances cites above. Satori does not consist in producing a certain premeditated condition by intensely thinking of it. It is acquiring a new point of view for looking at things. Ever since the unfoldment of consciousness we have been led to respond to the inner and outer conditions in a certain conceptual and analytical manner. The discipline of Zen consists in upsetting this groundwork once for all and reconstructing the old frame on an entirely new basis. It is evident, therefore, that meditating on metaphysical and symbolic statements, which are products of the relative consciousness, play no part in Zen.
If that resonates with you check out the full text.
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BennyStiller said: My path for this centers around removing the obstructed view of ordinary life, dissolving the pre-conceived ideals of society, altering any lingering implanted views brought on by childhood experiences, and realizing that universal understanding and our own self perception, are inconceivably vast and incredibly beautiful.
Well, personally (especially if you're using psychs to further this work) I would be really cautious about maintaining such preconceived ideas about the process, because IME it isn't anything you can point to afterwards, since the thing you sought to liberate yourself from essentially disappears entirely, leaving you in a new sort of world. And you get to repeat this process many times as your preconceived ideas are found to be inadequate, each in their turn. That doesn't stop the small and familiar mind (AKA "ego") from throwing up new sorts of limitations, because that's just what it does. You can't beat it into submission, but you can eventually get it shut the fuck up from time to time, long enough to see it for what it is and work beyond it. I don't know it that's "enlightenment" but at least it's useful. 
Great insight, and thanks for taking the time to reply. Thats a great way to look at the other side of the coin so to say.
BTW on a side note - PrimalSoup I have read many of your comments, tek's, and posts. And I have had a go at cultivation with fantastic results, so I will take the opportunity to thank you first hand, for all your contributions as they have been helpful.
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MushroomAreTheKey
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Re: What is your definition of transcendence or enlightenment? [Re: BennyStiller]
#23461112 - 07/20/16 10:46 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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My definition of enlightenment is having a perfect shroom trip and getting lost inside your thoughts until you get totally connected with the universe realizing you control everything while under this influence if I could describe enlightenment with one word and one only it would be
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PrimalSoup
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Re: What is your definition of transcendence or enlightenment? [Re: BennyStiller]
#23461115 - 07/20/16 10:47 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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BennyStiller said: And I have had a go at cultivation with fantastic results, so I will take the opportunity to thank you first hand,
Wowza! Gonna have to dig up a special giffy for that:
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Re: What is your definition of transcendence or enlightenment? [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
#23461329 - 07/21/16 12:40 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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-------------------- A bunch of jokes, with a grain of truth in each. The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese. What will be, will be.
Edited by psychobla (03/23/18 12:30 PM)
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