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BennyStiller


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What is your definition of transcendence or enlightenment?
#23456619 - 07/19/16 03:50 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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After having my ego stripped, and then embarking on a defined path of knowledge and understanding, with the aid of psychedelics. I wanted to ask others their opinion on enlightenment and transcendence, as well as share mine. I have read many clinical definitions, yet I feel that personal perception and insight is far more valuable.
Looking beyond the upper and lower limits of how we each see both the world around us, and within us, is my definition of enlightenment.
My path for this centers around removing the obstructed view of ordinary life, dissolving the pre-conceived ideals of society, altering any lingering implanted views brought on by childhood experiences, and realizing that universal understanding and our own self perception, are inconceivably vast and incredibly beautiful.
I do not expect to unlock all the doors, or to gain all the answers, as that would take many human lifetimes to achieve. But peeking into the window, or stepping into the open door, even for brief moments, is quite a blessing.
Stripping everything away has opened my mind and my heart to what is clearly a universal connection with light, love and energy. Realizing that we are literally limitless, that our inner energy is part of the make up of the universe, and feeling or understanding the energy we each possess is common to every living thing past and present.
This is what transcendence has unfolded itself as to me.
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Re: What is your definition of transcendence or enlightenment? [Re: BennyStiller]
#23456639 - 07/19/16 03:59 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Enlightenment is a state of being.
There is an infinite number of worlds and possibilities within each and every one of us
To reach full potential you become a Siddhi
Siddhi is a Sanskrit noun which can be translated as "perfection", "accomplishment", "attainment", or "success". In Tamil the word Siddhar/Chitthar refers to someone who has attained the Siddhic powers & knowledge. Chitta is pure consciousness/knowledge in Sanskrit also.
In Hinduism, eight siddhis (Ashta Siddhi) or Eight great perfections (mahasiddhi) are known:
Animā: reducing one's body even to the size of an atom
Mahima: expanding one's body to an infinitely large size
Garima: becoming infinitely heavy
Laghima: becoming almost weightless
Prāpti: having unrestricted access to all places
Prākāmya: realizing whatever one desires
Istvva: possessing absolute lordship
Vaśtva: the power to subjugate all
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connectedcosmos
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Re: What is your definition of transcendence or enlightenment? [Re: BennyStiller]
#23456647 - 07/19/16 04:03 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Imo I feel like my personal enlightenment was when i realized everything is connected , every human thought every single piece of information , from the galaxies to the stars every planet every atom every human every bird insect any life and all the energy that makes it all up is all intertwined and connected and all apart of one thing that is our universe, and the most profound thing of it all is that we can perceive and experience this
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Re: What is your definition of transcendence or enlightenment? [Re: Eclipse3130] 1
#23456649 - 07/19/16 04:04 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Enlightenment is bullshit. This is one of the more valuable lessons I have learned in my psychedelic journeys.
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connectedcosmos
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Re: What is your definition of transcendence or enlightenment? [Re: GrandPoobah]
#23456654 - 07/19/16 04:05 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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It's all subjective grand poobah man that's just your take on it
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MrBlueYoMind
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Re: What is your definition of transcendence or enlightenment? [Re: BennyStiller]
#23456670 - 07/19/16 04:11 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Insanity.
While something can be enlightening, for someone to call themselves "enlightened" and they still live in the physical material universe is evidence that they're ego is stronger than ever. Based on the eastern concepts of enlightenment, one would be liberated from the cycle of life and death- meaning they wouldn't be in this plane since everything in this plane dies.
People walk around believing they are enlightened when really they are just possessed (by thought forms? something more?). People walk around saying things like "There is no right or wrong." when that is an inherent contradiction-meaning it can't be right since it claims there is no such thing as right. And people who say "there is no right or wrong" can't prove me wrong when I tell them it is false and a contradiction because they don't even believe "wrong" exists. Do you see the insanity?
You'll have people saying things like "karma" and then go on to accuse others of being "stuck in duality" as if KARMA isn't a concept of dualism (and an immoral one at that when applied to reincarnation). The same people who say karma will also tell you "two wrongs don't make a right." So once again, insanity and inconsistencies in beliefs and values is usually the result of someone thinking they are enlightened.
Based on the idea that enlightenment is the period of time in which reason and intellect dominate, it seems like people often avoid those exact things in an attempt to appear enlightened (not a judgment against you, speaking in general terms).
Maybe I've just been Endarkened. 
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BennyStiller


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Re: What is your definition of transcendence or enlightenment? [Re: connectedcosmos]
#23456677 - 07/19/16 04:14 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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connectedcosmos said: Imo I feel like my personal enlightenment was when i realized everything is connected , every human thought every single piece of information , from the galaxies to the stars every planet every atom every human every bird insect any life and all the energy that makes it all up is all intertwined and connected and all apart of one thing that is our universe, and the most profound thing of it all is that we can perceive and experience this
Fantastic definition from a personal point of view. Thank you! The last phrase you wrote "the most profound thing of it all is that we can perceive and experience this" I fully agree with! It is truly profound that we can achieve a perception of this connection.
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Re: What is your definition of transcendence or enlightenment? [Re: BennyStiller]
#23456695 - 07/19/16 04:20 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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the universe is almost like a big fractal hehehe
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MrBlueYoMind
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Re: What is your definition of transcendence or enlightenment? [Re: BennyStiller]
#23456699 - 07/19/16 04:21 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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My question is this:
If enlightenment is how you are liberated of the cycle of life and death, then why are any of us still here if reincarnation is simply the one supreme self incarnating over and over again? Since we are all the same self, it would have only took ONE person to obtain enlightenment to cease the cycle of life and death...
-------------------- Confucius say: He who sticks drugs in butthole has head up ass. EVOLUTION REQUIRES REPRODUCTION
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Re: What is your definition of transcendence or enlightenment? [Re: connectedcosmos]
#23456711 - 07/19/16 04:23 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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definitely not a state since it is not fixed it is mutable, in fact - it is mind in it's most unfixed but relaxed modality.
I call it a modality more than state as it does not freeze or gel into any single thing like a state, it is not just stoned or just happy or just blank or just open, but it fluidly fits the circumstance.
and when you really get into it, "enlightement" translates as the way of going, the middle way, or just The Way:
we talk of the buddha as "tathagato" which means 'one who has gone this way'.
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BennyStiller


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Re: What is your definition of transcendence or enlightenment? [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
#23456713 - 07/19/16 04:23 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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MrBlueYoMind said: Insanity.
While something can be enlightening, for someone to call themselves "enlightened" and they still live in the physical material universe is evidence that they're ego is stronger than ever. Based on the eastern concepts of enlightenment, one would be liberated from the cycle of life and death- meaning they wouldn't be in this plane since everything in this plane dies.
People walk around believing they are enlightened when really they are just possessed (by thought forms? something more?). People walk around saying things like "There is no right or wrong." when that is an inherent contradiction-meaning it can't be right since it claims there is no such thing as right. And people who say "there is no right or wrong" can't prove me wrong when I tell them it is false and a contradiction because they don't even believe "wrong" exists. Do you see the insanity?
You'll have people saying things like "karma" and then go on to accuse others of being "stuck in duality" as if KARMA isn't a concept of dualism (and an immoral one at that when applied to reincarnation). The same people who say karma will also tell you "two wrongs don't make a right." So once again, insanity and inconsistencies in beliefs and values is usually the result of someone thinking they are enlightened.
Based on the idea that enlightenment is the period of time in which reason and intellect dominate, it seems like people often avoid those exact things in an attempt to appear enlightened (not a judgment against you, speaking in general terms).
Maybe I've just been Endarkened. 
From a perspective of fully dissecting the terminology, I completely agree with you. Many societies, religions, philosophers, ancient sects, and free thinking peoples have asked and answered these questions, then provided us with very deep detailed definitions.
This particular question was one just on a personal level. What do these things mean to you? If anything at all?
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Re: What is your definition of transcendence or enlightenment? [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
#23456717 - 07/19/16 04:24 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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MrBlueYoMind said: My question is this:
If enlightenment is how you are liberated of the cycle of life and death, then why are any of us still here if reincarnation is simply the one supreme self incarnating over and over again? Since we are all the same self, it would have only took ONE person to obtain enlightenment to cease the cycle of life and death...
rebirth and reincarnation really has nothing to do with it.
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Re: What is your definition of transcendence or enlightenment? [Re: redgreenvines]
#23456727 - 07/19/16 04:26 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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endarkening is an unfortunate reality describing most instances of mistaken enlightenment on drugs.
hence "do your own thing" (and don't darken my space)
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Eclipse3130
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Re: What is your definition of transcendence or enlightenment? [Re: redgreenvines]
#23456753 - 07/19/16 04:33 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Enlightenment or not, magic is real as you and me. The only reality there is, is the realities within your self
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MrBlueYoMind
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Re: What is your definition of transcendence or enlightenment? [Re: BennyStiller]
#23456819 - 07/19/16 04:58 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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So I'm not supposed to analyze the words that are used, I'm just supposed to accept a statement as truth without investigating the claim of the statement and looking for contradictions that prove it wrong?
I'm still not understanding how someone can say "There is no right or wrong" and believe themselves to be right and not contradictory.
If it is the message that one makes mistakes on their journey and it is all about learning and growth and at the end of the day its a choice you made and you wanted to make that choice at the time so it's okay, I still say the statement is wrong since one can only understand a mistake if they accept that there mistake wasn't the right thing to do in whatever situation they were in.
It seems like it opens itself up to a lot of subconscious thinking errors where one would accept the unacceptable. It's one of those things that make sense if you don't think about it.
Enlightenment as a goal to escape "life and death" is not something I believe necessarily exists since every being that claims to be enlightened is still here and will experience death. Enlightening to me means obtaining knowledge or truths. Now if you say it is liberation from the suffering that accompanies living and dying by losing attachment, that isn't the same thing as being liberated AKA no longer experiencing the cycle of life and death.
To be "enlightened" to me is to see the source of you as the source of all things and that's why you should treat others the way you would treat yourself (the whole "there are no others"). There are no secrets on the other side since we are all part of that same source. This is why I believe it is important to acknowledge when you are wrong, rather than denying wrong exists at all.
To me "karma" isn't a thing that comes to pay you back or reward you. It is the knowledge of the connection and the wrongs and goods you've done to/for others, and realizing that working for your own gain holds EVERYTHING back and served no purpose. Since the source of me is the source of you, everything I do to you is done to myself- but not in a next lifetime, its something that just is.
I'm not saying it is impossible, just that it lacks rationality.
I assumed the cycle of life and death is another term for reincarnation. IDK maybe I'm just crazy and hold on to rational thought too much to determine truth...
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MrBlueYoMind
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Re: What is your definition of transcendence or enlightenment? [Re: Eclipse3130]
#23456842 - 07/19/16 05:05 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Eclipse3130 said: Enlightenment or not, magic is real as you and me. The only reality there is, is the realities within your self

Yes magic is real, and it takes the form of words and sayings that allow for certain subconscious beliefs that open a person up to certain manipulations both good and bad, but inherently bad in the sense that people are being manipulated. Thats why it's called "spelling."
There are other forms of magic but it mostly comes down to subconscious manipulation. Take Darren Brown for example.
The realities in your self are affected by the external realities you exist within. Experiencing your mother get abused by your father as a young child is going to affect your internal reality. But nothing you could do could change your experience, you can only seek to understand how it was out of your control and accept reality for what it is and then learn to accept yourself for who you are.
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Re: What is your definition of transcendence or enlightenment? [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
#23456913 - 07/19/16 05:27 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I agree that enlightenment is insanity.
When i was insane, i swear i could understand how planes work by observing inner workings of leaves.
Weird pattern recognitions like that
-------------------- Something there is mysteriously formed, Existing before Heaven and Earth, Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging, All-pervading, unfailing, I do not know its name; I call it tao. If forced to give it a name, I call it Great (ta). Being great, it flows out; Flowing out means far-reaching; Being far-reaching, it is said to return. It's just a shot away..
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Re: What is your definition of transcendence or enlightenment? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#23457000 - 07/19/16 05:51 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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those are good pattern recognitions.
unfortunate recognition's attempt to resolve past lives, the bermuda triangle, pyramid power, ghosts, destiny, auras, etc. separate from what is happening in mind and with your senses which is plenty amazing.
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Re: What is your definition of transcendence or enlightenment? [Re: BennyStiller]
#23457799 - 07/19/16 09:55 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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To me enlightenment is knowledge and awareness and transcendence is just going beyond, beyond the biological mechanisms and filters that hold everything down. It's lifting of the foundation of chemical machinery your mind rests on.
To me they're both biological processes.
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Re: What is your definition of transcendence or enlightenment? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
#23457804 - 07/19/16 09:57 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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The more you know the more you realize how much you don't know and that is enlightenment.
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