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Preparing horse poo. Advice appreciated!! (pics included)
    #23454915 - 07/19/16 03:11 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Hey people,

I'm working with horse poo for the first time and was hoping to get some advice on how to deal with the two big bags I obtained today.

I have 14 jars of WBS colonising that I innoc'd via multispore with PESA strain a couple of days ago.  Once colonised I plan to spawn to horse poo and vermiculite (using RR's method) to either two or three 60qt monotubs.  I've read how some people like to include coir, however I haven't yet come across a solid reason for doing so?... I used to spawn to coir/verm and got great yields, but I was never blown away with potency. I'm switching to horse poo hoping this might help.

Ok, so the horse poo I obtained is from a small farm where they pick it up daily, run it through a large mulcher and then seal it in large plastic bags.  I don't know how much time it has spent in the sun, but I expect only a day or two... As such I expected the material to be quite smelly, but it has no unpleasant odour to it at all. It has a VERY mild odour of soil and cut grass.





I have far more than I will need for this grow, so I need to not only prepare some for use soon but also the remainder for storage.  I have the space and a tarp that I can spread it out on and leave it for at least two weeks, possibly three for the current grow (it's cold here and I expect colonisation to be slow), and whatever time is necessary for the remainder.

Anyone with experience in this kind of thing have some advice? :smile:

Thanks very much!


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Re: Preparing horse poo. Advice appreciated!! (pics included) [Re: soma_seeker]
    #23454957 - 07/19/16 03:51 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Potency is not affected by substrate, it's effected by genetics. Mixing coir in with your bulk sub is a good idea IMO. Firstly, poo on it's own has terrible consistency, the verm doesn't help that much with that. I find straw to be a great additive to get a better consistency as well if it's chopped very very finely (like with a weed whacker).

Also, a variety of nutrients will do better than any single set of nutrients in high quantity, meaning a bulk sub that is made up of a bunch of different bulks will be better than any single ingredient alone.

It all comes down to preference and availability/cost really. Just try and mix and match until you find the one you like the best/gives you the best result. I find that my shrooms are generally bigger and denser with a poo and straw mix.

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Re: Preparing horse poo. Advice appreciated!! (pics included) [Re: Supalemonhaze]
    #23455018 - 07/19/16 05:10 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks for the reply.

So you're saying that the nutrient quality of your substrate will not effect potency?  So it will only effect your success in so far as yield? I had always assumed that it played a role in addition to genetics.  In my PF tek days years ago I thought I produced noticeably more potent fruits after successful addition of nutrient enhancers...

As for the coir, do you expect that this will help with the consistency of horse poo?  I had considered straw, however couldn't find any easily available.  Also I thought it was only really considered necessary with cow poo, as it's consistency is considerably worse...


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Re: Preparing horse poo. Advice appreciated!! (pics included) [Re: soma_seeker]
    #23455066 - 07/19/16 05:50 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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So you're saying that the nutrient quality of your substrate will not effect potency?  So it will only effect your success in so far as yield? I had always assumed that it played a role in addition to genetics.  In my PF tek days years ago I thought I produced noticeably more potent fruits after successful addition of nutrient enhancers...




There's 375375 variables that will go into how you experience your trip, from your mindset, to your last experience with psychedelics, how much you've eaten, genetics of mushrooms, if you're tired, etc.

If you noticed a difference in potency, it was one of those factors above and not the substrate directly.

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Re: Preparing horse poo. Advice appreciated!! (pics included) [Re: stareatclouds]
    #23455081 - 07/19/16 06:02 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I've never used cow poo so I can't elaborate on that. What I can tell you is that from the 2 types of poo I used, both had shitty consistency (pun intended? I'm not sure). Coir has pretty much the best texture for what we use it for, adding it to your bulk will make it easier to work with, if nothing else. Just gotta see what's worth using really, if coir is annoying to find and/or expensive, try to find something else that suits your needs. If it's cheap as dirt yet good quality, you could just work solely with CVG with good results.

Fastest way to find something more potent is to either clone a potent shroom and grow that or to start growing slower fruiting varieties like KSSS or any PE variety. A good one to start with is the regular PE, it has good yields and monster shrooms. APE is more finicky and unpredictable but it looks pretty dang awesome.

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Re: Preparing horse poo. Advice appreciated!! (pics included) [Re: Supalemonhaze]
    #23455095 - 07/19/16 06:10 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Supalemonhaze said:
I've never used cow poo so I can't elaborate on that. What I can tell you is that from the 2 types of poo I used, both had shitty consistency (pun intended? I'm not sure). Coir has pretty much the best texture for what we use it for, adding it to your bulk will make it easier to work with, if nothing else. Just gotta see what's worth using really, if coir is annoying to find and/or expensive, try to find something else that suits your needs. If it's cheap as dirt yet good quality, you could just work solely with CVG with good results.

Fastest way to find something more potent is to either clone a potent shroom and grow that or to start growing slower fruiting varieties like KSSS or any PE variety. A good one to start with is the regular PE, it has good yields and monster shrooms. APE is more finicky and unpredictable but it looks pretty dang awesome.




Ok, thanks. That's useful.

I actually cultivated KSSS exclusively for quite a while :smile: Also did quite a bit of strain selection work.



These produced great yields but weren't that potent unfortunately.  Hard to clone a potent shroom when it's gone by the time you determine its potency :p

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Re: Preparing horse poo. Advice appreciated!! (pics included) [Re: soma_seeker]
    #23455119 - 07/19/16 06:23 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah, definitely not easy to clone a potent shroom. It's mostly through trail and error. If you use agar regularly, you're still going to be cloning to improve your yields. Just remember to slant every single clone you take before you grow it so you have a young version of it in your fridge. If it turns out to be potent and a good yielder, treat it like gold.

KSSS should be pretty potent, try to be as relaxed as possible whenever you are going to trip. A bad set and setting can ruin any kind of trip.

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Re: Preparing horse poo. Advice appreciated!! (pics included) [Re: Supalemonhaze]
    #23455141 - 07/19/16 06:40 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Yeah, definitely not easy to clone a potent shroom. It's mostly through trail and error. If you use agar regularly, you're still going to be cloning to improve your yields. Just remember to slant every single clone you take before you grow it so you have a young version of it in your fridge. If it turns out to be potent and a good yielder, treat it like gold.

KSSS should be pretty potent, try to be as relaxed as possible whenever you are going to trip. A bad set and setting can ruin any kind of trip.




Thanks. Yeah I had a decent slant library but after a few years of moving around the world my friend got tired of it sitting in his fridge :frown:

Yeah mate, no stranger to the importance of set and setting.  Have had several hundred psychedelic experiences, including 6 weeks living in a small village in the Peruvian amazon taking ayahuasca :smile:


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Re: Preparing horse poo. Advice appreciated!! (pics included) [Re: soma_seeker]
    #23455216 - 07/19/16 07:31 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Well, you should really get something worth growing with the KSSS. I've never grown it personally but I have it on good authority that it's just as potent as PE. It's first flush is weird though, it kind of puts me off from trying it.

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Re: Preparing horse poo. Advice appreciated!! (pics included) [Re: Supalemonhaze]
    #23456829 - 07/19/16 05:00 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah they definitely look different. Very stumpy...

I guess regarding the horse poo I'll just spread out what I need for this grow in the sun for a few days and once that's done I'll spread the rest out for as long as it needs to be completely dry.  I've read you want it to be very dry when being stored for periods above a couple of weeks or it will go moldy...

Any other opinions on the matter would still be appreciated of course! :smile:


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Re: Preparing horse poo. Advice appreciated!! (pics included) [Re: soma_seeker]
    #23458452 - 07/20/16 04:17 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Is it fresh poo? Fresh poo needs to be sun dried ASAP. Wet poo can grow bacteria and molds and fresh poo needs to be leached to get rid of the ammonia. Don't ever use fresh poo without leaching it first. If it smells like piss at all, it's not properly leached.

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