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OfflineMike4aco
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Re: Why take large/heroic doses more than once? [Re: Peyote Road]
    #23456357 - 07/19/16 02:01 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah.  I would say do it. I felt amazingly lucid up to a point so i bet it would work a lot better for lower doses


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Re: Why take large/heroic doses more than once? [Re: ForeverANoob]
    #23456499 - 07/19/16 02:55 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I'll be honest man, heroic doses or just breathing in oxygen, You are your indestructible drop of aware conscious energy no matter what. And it sounds like maybe your awareness is going too far :smile: You could probably come up with all of that jumble just thinking alone at night. When you trip that hard, all you are doing is just taking your awareness further past it's already awareness. You said that it hurts to know everything. Your mind and body weren't at rest. They were fighting. Which is which. What is what. That is me. This is you. Deconstruction and reconstruction. You should try reconstruction maybe by accepting whether or not you have a smaller or larger awareness, it is awareness. Everything. Why take it further? Because you can. Or can't. Whatever. That's the point man. You know it all. Everyone does. Everyone IS. So just accept that, and it's like tripping continuously. Where does it all begin and end? Again. That's the point. You are just another Between right? A piece of everything watching itself. Take it no further. Or dont. That being said, the point in taking more heroic doses isnt up to anyone but you, you are Everything right? :smile: To me, a heroic dose would just hurt my head and stomach, and only open my awareness to itself even more once again. It's just so unnecessary at a point.


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Re: Why take large/heroic doses more than once? [Re: Grain_Psilo]
    #23456671 - 07/19/16 04:12 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I have noticed that for instance you have a higher chance of having a transcendental experience if you were to eat 4 tabs and smoke weed rather than just eating 12 hits


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: Why take large/heroic doses more than once? [Re: Grain_Psilo]
    #23457198 - 07/19/16 06:48 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Grain_Psilo said:
I'll be honest man, heroic doses or just breathing in oxygen, You are your indestructible drop of aware conscious energy no matter what. And it sounds like maybe your awareness is going too far :smile: You could probably come up with all of that jumble just thinking alone at night. When you trip that hard, all you are doing is just taking your awareness further past it's already awareness. You said that it hurts to know everything. Your mind and body weren't at rest. They were fighting. Which is which. What is what. That is me. This is you. Deconstruction and reconstruction. You should try reconstruction maybe by accepting whether or not you have a smaller or larger awareness, it is awareness. Everything. Why take it further? Because you can. Or can't. Whatever. That's the point man. You know it all. Everyone does. Everyone IS. So just accept that, and it's like tripping continuously. Where does it all begin and end? Again. That's the point. You are just another Between right? A piece of everything watching itself. Take it no further. Or dont. That being said, the point in taking more heroic doses isnt up to anyone but you, you are Everything right? :smile: To me, a heroic dose would just hurt my head and stomach, and only open my awareness to itself even more once again. It's just so unnecessary at a point.




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Re: Why take large/heroic doses more than once? [Re: Mike4aco]
    #23458327 - 07/20/16 02:32 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Ahhhh one day I will reach 200mg. Maybe. :strokebeard:

Or at least 150mg.

100mg of 4aco was one of the most mind-bending, eye-opening, reality-obliterating, dimension-upgrading experiences I've had. I applaud you, sir.

As for heroic-doses. I always take heroic doses. For mushrooms, usually around 7 grams. Or an equivalent dose of 4-aco-dmt. That's about once a week right now so far. For months.

Maybe you just weren't ready for it. I mean I sort of got the same feeling when I had my first heroic mushroom dose. The feeling of "This is so intense. I'm seeing to much... Learning to many secrets about the universe..." Etc...

I embraced it though. I had only had a few trips before that. Basically after my first heroic-dose, I felt that I had almost a responsibility to always have tremendous respect for these things. I felt like what I saw was so secret and amazing that I was honored and privileged to even have had access to it.

I still always do the heroic dose though. Just stay at the lower doses for now and work your way up. And maybe try to gain more respect for what you saw instead of fear.


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Re: Why take large/heroic doses more than once? [Re: ForeverANoob]
    #23458690 - 07/20/16 07:33 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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I knew everything and knowing it was painful and isolated.




That's just the kind of mindfuck you get on high doses. You feel like you've obtained some fantastic level of knowledge and then it fucks with your head as you try to process it into something meaningful.

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you know things with such certainty




Which is how you can tell you are becoming delusional.

:tigerbunny:

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I was adamant that I shouldnt go back at that level. Did anyone else get this message?




I tend to get this on the way in to a heavy trip. JForce is right when he says:

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Give it a few months/years and you forget why, curiosity eats at you, dosage starts ramping up, and then you do it again. Its a bit of a merry-go-round.




I sometimes get the sense that it was a really bad idea to "come back here", but it's like there's a kind of amnesia that sets in, and you only remember how bad it was once you are heading into the same territory again.

:aliceshocker: :owl: :aweoverdose:

The other reason to try again with these large doses is that you learn how to get through them and relax into them. The comment by Grain_Psilo is interesting:

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You are your indestructible drop of aware conscious energy no matter what.......A piece of everything watching itself




The trips are less harsh when you can let yourself become that 'drop' of conscious energy in an ocean of awareness. After that, the point of tripping seems less about "knowing stuff" and more about the ability to drop into that state without tangling yourself up in delusional thinking. It's like being in the eye of the storm.

I've got notebooks full of "knowledge" brought back from heavy trips and most of it is contradictory and completely insane......it's delusional. You can learn a lot from these trips (which are basically experiments in consciousness......philosophical thought experiments) but part of that learning process is knowing that you can't trust everything that comes into your head when you are tripping.

Tripping like this certainly "opens doors" in terms of what you consider possible, what might be the ultimate nature of reality, but the sheer level of insanity involved means that statements like

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knowing this with such sound certainty is fucking scary




are just markers of psychosis and delusional thinking within the trip.

But hey, the delusions are all part of the fun, if you can get tangled up in some colossal alien conspiracy, it's all good :thumbup:

:feelsshroomyman: :Awemush:


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Re: Why take large/heroic doses more than once? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #23459780 - 07/20/16 02:15 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Bill_Oreilly said:
The heroic LSD experience is different than a heroic mushroom trip which is different from a DMT breakthrough.

I had all 3 and they were equally as meaningful but very different in content

Then there is the heroic 4 aco dmt experience which i say is IVd which is also different


I have done many heroic doses of each but only once on each substance have i had the "ultimate experience" that cant be beat in its realm of chemical compound


lsd..i mixed it with either jwh or bho..i forget. I was told via my tv that the answer to life was "animals". I was also shown the pyramid of human power with "the man" being at the stop who sees himself as a king who is causing devastation upon humanity.


dmt i made it rain while being visited by the transcendental object at the end of time.

IV 4aco can speak for itself


mushrooms i got some praying mantis entity that was making reality emanate from it




These chemicals are me. They are like a 4d wife. Weird stuff it is..





So what have you learned from the heroic doses which has been of use to you back in this reality??


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Re: Why take large/heroic doses more than once? [Re: Mike4aco]
    #23459863 - 07/20/16 02:54 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Don't know about Bill but IME with massive doses (god knows what "heroic" is :lol:) extended daily the manifestations of alternate worldline (the multiverse) became ever clearer, to the point where it was obvious that "this" reality is just part of a much larger universe we can visit with the aid of certain drugs.  Physical manifestations are what I'm talking about - impossible things occurring for real and leaving physical traces behind.  The theory that accounts for this kind of stuff is quite complex but it's one of the things I've been working on for a few years now.  :thumbup:

Oh, that and all the usual stuff.  :lol:  But the physical anomalies that occur are by far the more interesting, for they point to a practical physics not yet realizable any other way.

The fear reaction that makes you think "don't go back there" is one of the main hurdles you have to get over, though.

Quote:

Mike4aco said:
Shit.


What did we do to ourselves this time?

And then a little voice said really clearly

Well mike you should make us lie down




:laugh2:


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Re: Why take large/heroic doses more than once? [Re: ForeverANoob]
    #23459957 - 07/20/16 03:44 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Seeking Knowledge is noble, But receiving knowledge can be painful (as you found out). Tripping at heroic levels has lead a lot of people to these same revelations and has put me through the wringer more then once. These types of revelations are what keeps me coming back. It's easier for me to deal with the real world after battling my own demons and getting a glimpse of the bigger picture. But most times i go for my sweet spot (3-4g dry) and just revel in the total trippyness and not venture too far into the deeper end of the pool.


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