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OfflineForeverANoob
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Why take large/heroic doses more than once?
    #23454874 - 07/19/16 02:03 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I took my first heroic dose last night. I just woke up after about 13 hours of sleep.
I wrote a trip report and it basically just warned me of not coming back to that place. Not tripping in general, but tripping for knowledge. I knew everything and knowing it was painful and isolated. It wasn't the fact that I was not ready for it. It was because the sheer knowledge, I felt was not supposed to be known. Hard to explain now that I'm "sober", but I was adamant that I shouldnt go back at that level. Did anyone else get this message?
I should add that the first half of the trip was beautiful beyond belief and was all about love. I would love experiencing that over and over again. But dont want to risk going back to the second half. I don't consider the second half a bad trip or something I was not ready for. I consider it something the human mind is not ready for.

You can stop reading here, but if you are interested in what I got down in text, here's my trip report. It's confusing and unformatted and probably only caught 5% or less of what I wish I could have written. I tried fixing as much of the grammar errors I could.. there were a lot.

"heroic dose. never do this
people shouldn't know all this shit
you have it better not knowing
your mind cant handle it
everyone looks like a joke playing out their lives
they dont seem real

i wont understand this
im a fuckin idiot sober
i feel like im gonna explode with all the wisdom
1000 years wouldnt teach you this

never again

be ignorant

its so much better

i know im becoming sober by me becoming interested in the petty problems of the world

because theyre all man made

your going to become sober and think  yes this sounds amazing

its not
you know things with such certainty

i feel like i am writing to a five year old typing this

knowing this with such sound certainty is fucking scary


i just want to be a normal person with normal fears
i cant wait to be stupid again 
care about the stupid stuff

seeing things wont teach you this

knowing it will.

learning these things won't teach you this, knowing it will
these words know
the words in my mind
discombobulated
dont come back
its dark and its all knowing
and you are small
and a joke
you as humanity
wow
cant even
just sad
this is what we amount to

you are everything and you feel this knowledge will make you blow up
its painful knowing
people look search for it as if it matters
this knowledge of what we are is too strong
just go
just run around and do whatever humans do
much more fun

lare doses looking for the meaning of existence.. guess what? youll find it
not appetising
that knowledge isnt the kicker

how we spend it is

we look hilarious

not like "oooh im high, things look funny"

the way we act
holy shit
i can see myself like im not me, and god the things i do

ive felt like ive exploded into nothing a few times
fuck knowing
fuck knowledge
stop looking
stop looking for the edge of who we are

this is not insanity. i fucking know. i know everything that matters.
its like watching a bad car crash
and the car crash is us
listen to your mom
dont take the drugs
mean this in a completely unironic meaning
bad
dont do em
unless youre doing them for fun.

all the things of bad trips, like bugs crawling under your skin

its nothing compared to knowing.
exploding in a million pieces

knowledge is fading  but drunken feeling left

hitting that point where things are so quiet they are space
not like space
you are space
you are everything
you know.

terrible

dont recommend


10 1
11 2
12 3
1 4 hours
(edit - I had to do this to see how many hours in I was, 10 am to 1 pm)

i went to a place.. a place and knowldge seem to meld in this part of vernacular.

its like looking at ants. you don't have to have knowledge to know how stupid they look. you can just look at them through the lens of intelligence

i was in a place where I had that level of intelligence with everything."

I should add that I don't regret the trip. But I don't see why you'd go back, atleast with a heroic dose.


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Re: Why take large/heroic doses more than once? [Re: ForeverANoob]
    #23454898 - 07/19/16 02:24 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I feel the same way with my biggest trips - "never come back here. No matter what you think don't come back."

Give it a few months/years and you forget why, curiosity eats at you, dosage starts ramping up, and then you do it again. Its a bit of a merry-go-round.


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    #23454943 - 07/19/16 03:36 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Edited by ruaware (12/05/16 04:54 PM)


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Re: Why take large/heroic doses more than once? [Re: JForce]
    #23454956 - 07/19/16 03:48 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Indeed, very powerful life changing experiences, but I have no doubts I will return at some point in my life


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Re: Why take large/heroic doses more than once? [Re: JForce]
    #23454961 - 07/19/16 03:58 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

JForce said:
I feel the same way with my biggest trips - "never come back here. No matter what you think don't come back."

Give it a few months/years and you forget why, curiosity eats at you, dosage starts ramping up, and then you do it again. Its a bit of a merry-go-round.




:whathesaid:

I've been getting back into the swing of things lately. My last dose of 6g reminded me a lot of what I read in the OP, all over the place, mind blown. Overall enjoyable, but just fucking intense. I stopped eating mushrooms until recently, my girl didn't approve at the time and after that dose, I was in need of a break. I still reflect back to try and prepare myself for the next high dose. I'll know a little better about how I'll react and what to expect and after reading about others and their techniques to remain calm, I feel I can traverse through these higher states a little more smoothly.

OP, did you work your way up to the heroic dose or did you just dive right in?


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Re: Why take large/heroic doses more than once? [Re: HamHead]
    #23454966 - 07/19/16 04:08 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks for the responses. I'm glad I'm not alone in this feeling. I'm sure in the future I'll delve back into a large dose, and remember why I warned myself, and probably feel like an idiot for not heeding that warning.
I did work my way up a gram at a time.
I think there's probably a sweet spot for tripping. The more you go up, it seems you see the picture from a less microscopic level that we see life in day to day. Seeing it from that zoomed out perspective and not just knowing a life lesson, but knowing everything, is just too powerful and unnecessary in my opinion. Maybe once is okay, but I see no reason to go back.


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Re: Why take large/heroic doses more than once? [Re: ForeverANoob]
    #23454975 - 07/19/16 04:19 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Well, there are people who go back again and again and keep increasing like that guy on youtube kalindi something he does 31 grams dry.

Do you think it could have to do with your level of growth and what is relevant for you? Like you said, its not relevant for you to zoom out that far right now. Maybe at some point, it will be.


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Re: Why take large/heroic doses more than once? [Re: Peyote Road]
    #23454987 - 07/19/16 04:37 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Peyote Road said:
Well, there are people who go back again and again and keep increasing like that guy on youtube kalindi something he does 31 grams dry.

Do you think it could have to do with your level of growth and what is relevant for you? Like you said, its not relevant for you to zoom out that far right now. Maybe at some point, it will be.




I don't really know, tbh. I know every trip is different and maybe my trip didn't need to revolve around humanity, but what else is there? I keep saying "I knew everything" because I was taken by surprise by it. What else would I need to know after that? I felt I shouldn't know all that. Maybe it just isn't for me. Maybe in the future, it might deem useful. But for the near future, I'm going to keep a wide berth from heavy doses.


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Re: Why take large/heroic doses more than once? [Re: ForeverANoob]
    #23455014 - 07/19/16 05:05 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I personally stopped psychs for about 2 years. Ive just gotten back into it recently thanks to this place!!!


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Re: Why take large/heroic doses more than once? [Re: Rainman13]
    #23455342 - 07/19/16 08:37 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I take a heroic dose every time i dose or its nothing to me. I also spend a very lot of time in the psychedelic experience. Im one of those people that talk about it to work to whoever will listen (just got a guy to try mushrooms his first time and i gave him some free acid ontop)
Do i make a lot of sense to these guys? Probably not but my consciousness energy is vibrating at a higher frequency and they are not in tune with me.
Sometimes i mess myself up a bit cause i feel the telepathy on lsd oe shrooms carries on into my sober life, and then i realize no one can hear me think.

However recently i had been trying to take heroic doses with something to help me remember it, and calm the experience down, so i could go deep and remember it. Bad idea. Bad bad bad idea.

There's things i know now i wish i coule be ignorant of. However im seeing a trend in that i seem to gravitate towards and have others gravitate to me when we have similar ideas. Almost like i have a permanent aura that acts as a giant flag (come to this guy and explore your mind) or maybe ita the psychedelic molecules i have tattoos of (4 triptamines, harmaline, lsd and bod) after reflecting on my last trip. (1.5 mg lsd + 1-2g ghb) i feel like this information isnt as scary ultimate as i think, but more knowledge that certain people should have, and those certain people are ones like you and me who actively seek it out to do something with (as opposed to govt agencies used for torture or the because 6 year old neighbor kid looking to get high and for fun)


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Re: Why take large/heroic doses more than once? [Re: ForeverANoob] * 1
    #23455377 - 07/19/16 08:52 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

The heroic LSD experience is different than a heroic mushroom trip which is different from a DMT breakthrough.

I had all 3 and they were equally as meaningful but very different in content

Then there is the heroic 4 aco dmt experience which i say is IVd which is also different


I have done many heroic doses of each but only once on each substance have i had the "ultimate experience" that cant be beat in its realm of chemical compound


lsd..i mixed it with either jwh or bho..i forget. I was told via my tv that the answer to life was "animals". I was also shown the pyramid of human power with "the man" being at the stop who sees himself as a king who is causing devastation upon humanity.


dmt i made it rain while being visited by the transcendental object at the end of time.

IV 4aco can speak for itself


mushrooms i got some praying mantis entity that was making reality emanate from it




These chemicals are me. They are like a 4d wife. Weird stuff it is..


Edited by Bill_Oreilly (07/19/16 09:06 AM)


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Re: Why take large/heroic doses more than once? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #23455380 - 07/19/16 08:53 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Or 200 mg oral. Bill you are the only other person i see who has touched doses of 4acodmt like that. That shit is wow


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Re: Why take large/heroic doses more than once? [Re: Mike4aco]
    #23455390 - 07/19/16 08:56 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Mike4aco said:
Or 200 mg oral. Bill you are the only other person i see who has touched doses of 4acodmt like that. That shit is wow





I would never go anywhere near 200mg 4 aco dmt, oral or anything . I think that is absurdly high.

I iv'd anywhere from 15mg-50mg. I didnt weigh it.

I ate 33mg of 4aco freebase and it was higher than i ever want to go. The chemical being freebase made it way stronger


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: Why take large/heroic doses more than once? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #23455400 - 07/19/16 09:00 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

How much did you iv? I thought it was a lot. When i did that 200 mg, about 5 minutes into it i was like




Shit.


What did we do to ourselves this time?

And then a little voice said really clearly

Well mike you should make us lie down


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Re: Why take large/heroic doses more than once? [Re: Mike4aco]
    #23455422 - 07/19/16 09:06 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Bill_Oreilly said:
The heroic LSD experience is different than a heroic mushroom trip which is different from a DMT breakthrough.

I had all 3 and they were equally as meaningful but very different in content

Then there is the heroic 4 aco dmt experience which i say is IVd which is also different


I have done many heroic doses of each but only once on each substance have i had the "ultimate experience" that cant be beat in its realm of chemical compound


lsd..i mixed it with either jwh or bho..i forget. I was told via my tv that the answer to life was "animals". I was also shown the pyramid of human power with "the man" being at the top who sees himself as a king who is causing devastation upon humanity.


dmt i made it rain while being visited by the transcendental object at the end of time.

IV 4aco can speak for itself. i iv'd an eye-out dose. it was 15-45mg, is my guess


mushrooms i got some praying mantis entity that was making reality emanate from it




These chemicals are me. They are like a 4d wife. Weird stuff it is..




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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: Why take large/heroic doses more than once? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #23455439 - 07/19/16 09:14 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

lsd i got a giant body not sure what shape it was honestly, but it was manipulating these small spheres but then i realized thay each sphere contained a seperate universe from the multiverse, ive gotten that on lsd a few times that there is a giant thing we are part of which exists in every manner of matter in every possible moment


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Re: Why take large/heroic doses more than once? [Re: Mike4aco]
    #23456314 - 07/19/16 01:47 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Mike4aco said:
I take a heroic dose every time i dose or its nothing to me. I also spend a very lot of time in the psychedelic experience. Im one of those people that talk about it to work to whoever will listen (just got a guy to try mushrooms his first time and i gave him some free acid ontop)
Do i make a lot of sense to these guys? Probably not but my consciousness energy is vibrating at a higher frequency and they are not in tune with me.
Sometimes i mess myself up a bit cause i feel the telepathy on lsd oe shrooms carries on into my sober life, and then i realize no one can hear me think.

However recently i had been trying to take heroic doses with something to help me remember it, and calm the experience down, so i could go deep and remember it. Bad idea. Bad bad bad idea.

There's things i know now i wish i coule be ignorant of. However im seeing a trend in that i seem to gravitate towards and have others gravitate to me when we have similar ideas. Almost like i have a permanent aura that acts as a giant flag (come to this guy and explore your mind) or maybe ita the psychedelic molecules i have tattoos of (4 triptamines, harmaline, lsd and bod) after reflecting on my last trip. (1.5 mg lsd + 1-2g ghb) i feel like this information isnt as scary ultimate as i think, but more knowledge that certain people should have, and those certain people are ones like you and me who actively seek it out to do something with (as opposed to govt agencies used for torture or the because 6 year old neighbor kid looking to get high and for fun)




can you give me a report on this trip/your thoughts on the combination? I recently got a hold of some ghb and was thinking it about mixing it with lsd.


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Re: Why take large/heroic doses more than once? [Re: Peyote Road]
    #23456323 - 07/19/16 01:51 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Uh maybe haha i never finished the report cause the end was basically an hour long lucid white out, i was apparently autotexting my buddy and i had about 100 texts of me saying wow wow wow too much wow make it stop wow (i did take 1.5mg lsd though) one moment i will link you.

I do think the ghb did wonders in keeping me lucid and remembering as much as i did though


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Re: Why take large/heroic doses more than once? [Re: Mike4aco]
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Re: Why take large/heroic doses more than once? [Re: Mike4aco]
    #23456341 - 07/19/16 01:55 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

haha 1.5 mg i will check it out but i doubt the report is gonna be relevant for me at those dose. i was thinking a medium dose of ghb with maybe 70ug to explore my mind from the calm detached perspective ghb gives you.


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