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Spellbound
PegasusTheFlyingHorse



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Pins and wtf happened
#23454814 - 07/19/16 01:11 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Okay so i did pf tek bought syringe mazatapec and set four jars going. One was sooo slow and eventually had green so i binned.
This cake consolidated first so birthed it, started to pin np but then i got in this morning and its got diff coloured shrooms haha ??? Im still learning and i realise is multi spore so can this be normal as seems odd to me.
This is cake two, birthed maybe a week after the one above and as you can see its pins galore last one just birthed so not pic that yet is fuzzy and odd pin but not much. Thought id share this one from all four sides as im chuffed hahaha
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Re: Pins and wtf happened [Re: Spellbound]
#23454839 - 07/19/16 01:30 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'm just guessing but I'd say your cakes are too wet....looks like a lot of aborts on that one cake....those black ones are the aborts
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Supalemonhaze
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Yeah, it's a damn shame too. I doubt the black capped shrooms will keep growing. It's too wet in there, your shrooms and cakes are waterlogged which is hindering FAE. Remove the lid of the SGFC for a whole day or two and see how it looks from there.
You need to mist whenever it looks like it's starting to dry. After misting you will have small beads of moisture all over the cakes. Only remist when those beads are gone/almost gone. Don't re-mist if the cakes are still very visibly wet.
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Spellbound
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Hey yh i had just misted when i took pics as id been out working so hadnt been misted for ten hours. I can lift lid let air in though more and see how things go on. Hmm....
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Re: Pins and wtf happened [Re: Spellbound]
#23455355 - 07/19/16 08:43 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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It's still waterlogged though. Healthy shrooms turning black is almost always due to waterlogging. You can see how the ones that survived have already broke their veil but they are still small. This is also due to too much water.
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Spellbound
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Okay well its a scorching day here, they werent misted since morning as been to bed and its 4pm now, ill keep sgfc open a little and keep an eye see what happens then hopefully can improve, least for second cake maybe
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Re: Pins and wtf happened [Re: Spellbound]
#23455399 - 07/19/16 09:00 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Heat can work in the opposite way that we expect it to sometimes. You would expect the heat to evaporate the water faster but in a closed tote, the humidity goes high enough to slow evaporation to a crawl. Hot air carries more humidity than cold air and the higher the humidity, the less evaporation happens. Just some food for thought. It should evaporate fast with the lid off though.
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Spellbound
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Okay no problem thanks, they did grow dark brown those others they didnt turn dark, then those three came through lighter, ill keep lid off and see if anything changes. Second cake covered in the darker pins all over too. Third not been birthed long so didnt pic that one yet
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weetsie
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Quote:
Supalemonhaze said: Heat can work in the opposite way that we expect it to sometimes. You would expect the heat to evaporate the water faster but in a closed tote, the humidity goes high enough to slow evaporation to a crawl. Hot air carries more humidity than cold air and the higher the humidity, the less evaporation happens. Just some food for thought. It should evaporate fast with the lid off though.
I'm confused. Heat causes the dew point to rise and the relative humidity to drop. The lower the RH the faster things evaporate. When you heat air the volume of water in the air does increase, but only because everything is rapidly evaporating. What is happening inside the tub that is different from say a damp towel which clearly dries much faster on a hot day? I guess the perlite could evaporate faster when it's hot making the cakes evaporate slower?
@spellbound I don't know what kind of temps you had but it's been insane here, currently 29c in my room at 3:50am. I'd agree with everyone that said they look too wet but the freak weather can't of helped. You should still a decent second flush as very little nutrients have been used up on the first.
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Re: Pins and wtf happened [Re: weetsie]
#23457603 - 07/19/16 08:59 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'm curious as to the science behind this, but with my experience I would confirm that. During the cold months it was dry, and in the summer heat the humidity is much higher in my fruiting chamber. What was light misting 5 months ago is now waterlogging my cakes as well.
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Bunji Fungi
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I've also noticed a difference in air flow during the hotter months. Is it possible that due to the higher temperature, the air expands, which causes deceased FAE? Or is it related to the humidity also?
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In winter it's different. Indoor heating causes the cold outside air to drop massively in humidity, sometimes to <5%RH. It's why your nose feels stuffy and your skin dries out.
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Re: Pins and wtf happened [Re: weetsie]
#23457718 - 07/19/16 09:35 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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That makes sense, ive read that warm air can hold more water vapor than cool air, and somehow air pressure is also relevant.
Edited by Bunji Fungi (07/19/16 09:44 PM)
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Spellbound
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Well over night the second cake has grown out a lot, a lot of growth for a night ^_^ ill take a pic and upload soon, when awake lol
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Re: Pins and wtf happened [Re: Spellbound]
#23458428 - 07/20/16 03:54 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thing is that warm air is able to carry more humidity than colder air. Now, the higher the humidity, the slower evaporation happens, which is why we throw wet perlite into SGFC's, so it won't dry out before you are able to mist. This is also why hygrometers are useless because you don't want a constant 99% humidity as it could easily hinder evaporation, waterlog your cakes and effect your shrooms and pinsets.
You can't really get an accurate read inside with central heating and/or an AC, if that is where you got your current understanding from, it is not accurate. An AC will actually reduce the Rh, regardless of what temp you set it in. Fridges, which are basically enclosed AC units, have very low Rh, not only because they keep the air cool but because the air is proccessed. I live in very high humidity but I am able to dry a small amount of shrooms pretty well with a paper bag in a fridge due to this. Not cracker dry of course but really close.
Take a look at your local temperature across the seasons. You will see that Rh is always highest in summer. We get an average of 70% humidity in winter and 95%+ humidity in summer over here.
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Spellbound
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Okay i left top ajar over night allow more air in, here is the first cake today that had two colours of shroom on
And this is the second cake, theyve grown over night anyway haha is some discolouring on cake maybe dry not sure.

So what do you experienced folks think, salvageable? Ruined?
Ill get this right yet hahaha
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Re: Pins and wtf happened [Re: Spellbound]
#23458519 - 07/20/16 05:36 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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They are looking much better
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Supalemonhaze
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Re: Pins and wtf happened [Re: weetsie]
#23458528 - 07/20/16 05:42 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yep. Remist them and put in SGFC again. Only mist a second time once the water has almost evaporated completely.
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Spellbound
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Oh good will do thanks !
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Re: Pins and wtf happened [Re: Spellbound]
#23458659 - 07/20/16 07:17 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I know y'all said the blacks are aborts, but what does it mean when the pins have that light gray look to them?
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