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potency issues
#23453967 - 07/18/16 07:11 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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This is probably the first time ever or one of the very few times at the very least that i've ever had someone eat something I made and come back saying that nothing happened. I just ate 4.5g at 8:55pm so I'm gonna see what the deal is... but my tolerance might be off a bit as i took 50ug on saturday I think.
working with KSSS and grain > coir. Is this just something that happens with Multispore, or are there more consistent strains? Every time I've ever grown this, i've had amazing results. I just find it strange that a friend of mine could eat a quarter and have next to nothing happen.
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Re: potency issues [Re: 404]
#23453981 - 07/18/16 07:17 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Potency is genetic, multispore leads to random occurrences. Maybe your friend is either dumb, naturally tolerant, or on medication.
The "dumb" bit may seem like a low blow but I've come to notice that that actually does prevent people from tripping sometimes.
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Re: potency issues [Re: 404]
#23453983 - 07/18/16 07:18 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I can't believe it. I've heard multispore had inconsistencies with potency but absolutely no effects? I was going to order me some ksss spores but now I'm not so sure
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Pasty has grown PE that was totally bunk, anything can be bunk, don't read too deeply into it.
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Ksss can be very potent. Generally compared to PE. This is just one of those luck of the draws crap.
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Re: potency issues [Re: Inocuole]
#23453993 - 07/18/16 07:21 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I guess it all comes back to cubes being cubes. Even PE, all your dreams are dead
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A lot of things could have played a factor. Maybe he didn't eat them on an empty stomach.
Maybe the mushrooms didn't feel like bothering with him 
Some things aren't meant to be.
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Re: potency issues [Re: Inocuole]
#23454040 - 07/18/16 07:41 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Inocuole said: Potency is genetic, multispore leads to random occurrences. Maybe your friend is either dumb, naturally tolerant, or on medication.
The "dumb" bit may seem like a low blow but I've come to notice that that actually does prevent people from tripping sometimes.
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I just finished a tub of KSSS. They were small, not so many, and I only got one flush before the tub started looking bad. However, what I got out of it was quite "lively."
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Re: potency issues [Re: Inocuole]
#23454056 - 07/18/16 07:47 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Inocuole said: Potency is genetic, multispore leads to random occurrences. Maybe your friend is either dumb, naturally tolerant, or on medication.
The "dumb" bit may seem like a low blow but I've come to notice that that actually does prevent people from tripping sometimes.
I've never known IQ to do that. he's well seasoned to tripping... knows what's strong, and what isn't. the stuff i made before this floored me at 2.4g and he and everyone agreed they were great. this is... trash.
But yeah, these are duds to the max... 4.5 and literally NOTHING is happening. I've got some smooth body feels, but it's barely anything to throw a stone at. I'm hella disappointed.
So basically everything i've said thus far is the reasoning for what's happening here, yeah? One more question though, does having too large of a genetic pool allow for this to happen? or that it's just something that can happen
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Re: potency issues [Re: 404]
#23454058 - 07/18/16 07:47 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Are these dried correctly? That's about the #1 cause of potency loss.
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Re: potency issues [Re: Inocuole]
#23454064 - 07/18/16 07:49 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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TGS said: I just finished a tub of KSSS. They were small, not so many, and I only got one flush before the tub started looking bad. However, what I got out of it was quite "lively."
What i typically see with KSSS is that they start small with tons of mutants and then get larger on the second flush. as the mycelium weakens over time, they generally get easier to pull from the substrate, but that's all mycelium i believe.
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Inocuole said: Are these dried correctly? That's about the #1 cause of potency loss.
Dried the same way I dried the ones that rocked my shit, so yes. I keep them in a ziplock back typically.
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Re: potency issues [Re: 404]
#23454067 - 07/18/16 07:51 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I tell you what though, this chitin is fighting with my stomach. I'm gonna have some massive gas here later tonight.
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Re: potency issues [Re: 404] 2
#23454080 - 07/18/16 08:04 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Potency is mostly genetics. Bunk batches are rare especially with a well domesticated lineage but grow enough ms and anything can and will pop up.
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Thanks. I was hoping to hear "this is kind of rare, but does happen" Been growing this strain for about 3 years now and this is the first.
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Re: potency issues [Re: 404]
#23454094 - 07/18/16 08:09 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Is the whole tub a 'batch' or is a flush a 'batch' in your opinion? as in, do these genetics vary flush to flush or is it pretty much all conglomerated once you start pushing it into fruiting conditions?
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Re: potency issues [Re: 404]
#23454097 - 07/18/16 08:10 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Could be none or all of the above, depends on too many things you can't see.
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Re: potency issues [Re: Inocuole]
#23454111 - 07/18/16 08:15 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Inocuole said: Could be none or all of the above, depends on too many things you can't see.
usually with ms I tend to assume ever fruit in the tub has a different profile. Anastomosis will ensure that some of the strongest genetics run throughout much of the colony but the makeup of each fruit can have 100's of strains in it.
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Re: potency issues [Re: Inocuole]
#23454115 - 07/18/16 08:17 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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The one time I worked with ksss it did the same for me the whole batch was useless
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Anastomosis being the connection of the entire network and in this case the flow of genetic information, no? Isn't it true that mycelium more or less evenly distribute nutrients and water in the network as well?
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