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OfflineLeeq
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My setup
    #23450292 - 07/17/16 03:32 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Alright guys, so I'm going to show you my setup, then ask some questions about it etc.

These are the pots in which I will be colonizing the mycelium. The top layer is 1/2 cm of vermiculite, the rest is grain.



This is the chamber in which the pots will be fruiting, once fully inoculated



I've been given instructions on the whole process, but I've my own ideas on how to (Possibly) make it more successful, but I'll check with you guys.

1) Once the tubs are inoculated, they'll obviously be inverted and put on the floor of the chamber, the lid of the chamber being put on.

The instructions I've been given are do that, then once a day take the lid off, allowing co2 to escape, and letting time take its course and eventually harvesting my mushrooms.

My idea. 

Follow step one obviously.

Layer bottom of fruiting chamber in moist vermiculite, to maintain humidity.

Rather than opening the fruiting chamber every day, exposing the mushrooms to the elements, cut some holes in the top, and get some micron filters, to allow co2 expulsion while not exposing the growing mushrooms to the elements/contaminants.

Would this be a viable/sensible/clever thing to do?

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Re: My setup [Re: Leeq]
    #23450304 - 07/17/16 03:41 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Fill the bottom with damp perlite, not vermiculite.
If you're determined to use that as your fruiting chamber then I would drill holes in it if I were you with 1/4 drill bit like 2 inches apart.

Don't worry about exposing it to the elements after its fully colonized and you've dunk and rolled.

Place the cake on top of a small circle of tinfoil so it doesn't touch the perlite.


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How to get started in bulk:
Presto 23-Quart Pressure Cooker
BOD's Simple as FUCK Still Air Box
PastyWhyte's Easy Agar Tek
Munchauzen's Cultivation Video Series
How EvilMushroom666 Prepares His Grains (I use jars with Synthetic Filter Discs)
What is G2G? (Grain-to-Grain)
Damion5050's Coir Tek (I use 5.5 - 6 quarts of water instead of 4. Also ignore step 13 and ignore the monotub completely. The only purpose of this tek is to show you how to make a simple substrate. I also add gypsum to it but not necessary)
Spitball's Monotub Tek (A liner isn't necessary but is useful)
Use 6500k lights throughout the whole process. When you wake up, turn the light on. When you go to sleep turn the light off. It's as simple as that.

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Re: My setup [Re: Kush_Zombie]
    #23450430 - 07/17/16 04:24 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Kush_Zombie said:
Fill the bottom with damp perlite, not vermiculite.
If you're determined to use that as your fruiting chamber then I would drill holes in it if I were you with 1/4 drill bit like 2 inches apart.

Don't worry about exposing it to the elements after its fully colonized and you've dunk and rolled.

Place the cake on top of a small circle of tinfoil so it doesn't touch the perlite.




Could I ask, why perlite and not verm?

And yes, that's all I have as a fruiting chamber, why is it not prefferable in your yes?

And dunk and rolled, should it also be rolled in perl or verm?

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Re: My setup [Re: Leeq]
    #23450455 - 07/17/16 04:33 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

perlite has a much larger surface area that stays coated with water rather than absorbing the water like verm does therefore making it much more ideal for humidity. You'll want the bottom a few inches thick with perlite.

Roll your cakes in fine verm, not perlite.

And the only reason it's not "preferable" by me is because it's easier to have the perlite a few inches thick when it's in a container with a deeper bottom but that'll probably work.


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Presto 23-Quart Pressure Cooker
BOD's Simple as FUCK Still Air Box
PastyWhyte's Easy Agar Tek
Munchauzen's Cultivation Video Series
How EvilMushroom666 Prepares His Grains (I use jars with Synthetic Filter Discs)
What is G2G? (Grain-to-Grain)
Damion5050's Coir Tek (I use 5.5 - 6 quarts of water instead of 4. Also ignore step 13 and ignore the monotub completely. The only purpose of this tek is to show you how to make a simple substrate. I also add gypsum to it but not necessary)
Spitball's Monotub Tek (A liner isn't necessary but is useful)
Use 6500k lights throughout the whole process. When you wake up, turn the light on. When you go to sleep turn the light off. It's as simple as that.

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Re: My setup [Re: Kush_Zombie]
    #23450908 - 07/17/16 07:25 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Kush_Zombie said:
perlite has a much larger surface area that stays coated with water rather than absorbing the water like verm does therefore making it much more ideal for humidity. You'll want the bottom a few inches thick with perlite.

Roll your cakes in fine verm, not perlite.

And the only reason it's not "preferable" by me is because it's easier to have the perlite a few inches thick when it's in a container with a deeper bottom but that'll probably work.




Okay,thanks mate for that info.

Okay, I'll look up some info on dunk & roll as I'm unsure of that part so far.  Ah okay. Cheers mate :smile:

You say about drilling the holes in the top, should I cover these with any sort of filter do you think? or once the cakes are totally colonized, are they hardy enough to withstand some exposure to the elements?

Thanks again

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Re: My setup [Re: Leeq]
    #23450941 - 07/17/16 07:36 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

You should definitely do more research on this :lol:

When the cake colonizes completely (when it's completely white with mycelium) wait a week so it will give it time to hold its colonization. After 7 FULL days, pop your cake out like a sand castle and then dunk it in water (I usually place a bowl upside down over mine so it stays under water but doesn't hurt it much) for 24 hours. After 24 hours is up, rinse it under some cold water and then roll it in fine verm. This is known as the "dunk n roll".

Don't put 1/4" holes just in the top, place it on the whole fruiting chamber, including the bottom where you're putting your perlite. Make sure it's raised by two bricks or something so that air can come in through the bottom of the fruiting chamber. Put nothing over the holes, just let the air pass through like that. Once they're colonized they'll be fine inside proper fruiting conditions.


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How to get started in bulk:
Presto 23-Quart Pressure Cooker
BOD's Simple as FUCK Still Air Box
PastyWhyte's Easy Agar Tek
Munchauzen's Cultivation Video Series
How EvilMushroom666 Prepares His Grains (I use jars with Synthetic Filter Discs)
What is G2G? (Grain-to-Grain)
Damion5050's Coir Tek (I use 5.5 - 6 quarts of water instead of 4. Also ignore step 13 and ignore the monotub completely. The only purpose of this tek is to show you how to make a simple substrate. I also add gypsum to it but not necessary)
Spitball's Monotub Tek (A liner isn't necessary but is useful)
Use 6500k lights throughout the whole process. When you wake up, turn the light on. When you go to sleep turn the light off. It's as simple as that.

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Re: My setup [Re: Kush_Zombie]
    #23450977 - 07/17/16 07:49 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

just make a Proper SGFC..

and i noticed you said you had verm layer on top and rest was "grain" but that is brf, not grains. so let it colonize to 100%, then give it a week for consolidation. then birth, dunk in water for 24 hours, then roll in verm, then fruit in proper SGFC. otherwise, expect highly diminished results.

like kush said, you need to do a LOT more research and reading. try to read more up-to-date teks/threads.


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Re: My setup [Re: mupetmower]
    #23451043 - 07/17/16 08:07 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

http://www.mushroomvideos.com/Download

Finally found it. Watch these sample clips and learn young grasshopper.


Shoutout to Trusted Cultivator for having it in his signature :awehigh:


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How to get started in bulk:
Presto 23-Quart Pressure Cooker
BOD's Simple as FUCK Still Air Box
PastyWhyte's Easy Agar Tek
Munchauzen's Cultivation Video Series
How EvilMushroom666 Prepares His Grains (I use jars with Synthetic Filter Discs)
What is G2G? (Grain-to-Grain)
Damion5050's Coir Tek (I use 5.5 - 6 quarts of water instead of 4. Also ignore step 13 and ignore the monotub completely. The only purpose of this tek is to show you how to make a simple substrate. I also add gypsum to it but not necessary)
Spitball's Monotub Tek (A liner isn't necessary but is useful)
Use 6500k lights throughout the whole process. When you wake up, turn the light on. When you go to sleep turn the light off. It's as simple as that.

Edited by Kush_Zombie (07/17/16 08:12 PM)

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Re: My setup [Re: Kush_Zombie]
    #23451109 - 07/17/16 08:27 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Should be able to browse to every good TEK on this site from the links in my signature. AMU and TNF have recommended method/TEK threads plus the other links goes to literally everything you could need

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Re: My setup [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23451314 - 07/17/16 09:48 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

That cake holding thing will make a terrible FC. It's barely tall enough  to house your cake and the shrooms growing off of it, let alone filling it with enough perlite for it to act like a SGFC.

Stick to the teks, thank us later.

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Re: My setup [Re: Supalemonhaze]
    #23451364 - 07/17/16 10:06 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

This is literally going to be a cake. As others mentioned, just make a proper sgfc. It might spare you of disappointment. Also that plastic cake looks wet on the bottom and there's no dry verm layer on top.  :shrug:


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Re: My setup [Re: CosmoKramer]
    #23452019 - 07/18/16 07:29 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Kush_Zombie said:
You should definitely do more research on this :lol:

When the cake colonizes completely (when it's completely white with mycelium) wait a week so it will give it time to hold its colonization. After 7 FULL days, pop your cake out like a sand castle and then dunk it in water (I usually place a bowl upside down over mine so it stays under water but doesn't hurt it much) for 24 hours. After 24 hours is up, rinse it under some cold water and then roll it in fine verm. This is known as the "dunk n roll".

Don't put 1/4" holes just in the top, place it on the whole fruiting chamber, including the bottom where you're putting your perlite. Make sure it's raised by two bricks or something so that air can come in through the bottom of the fruiting chamber. Put nothing over the holes, just let the air pass through like that. Once they're colonized they'll be fine inside proper fruiting conditions.




The consolidating, I did do that with my first cake (Smaller scale grow in a humidity bag), I just did not know that was the term, I thought it was merely...giving a bit extra time, haha.

What is the purpose of the dunk and roll?

As per to others info, I believe I will just get a better item as a fruiting chamber, depending on funds. I know £10 or so for a large tub isn't much, but with my financial situation at the moment every penny is a pound.
Quote:

mupetmower said:
just make a Proper SGFC..

and i noticed you said you had verm layer on top and rest was "grain" but that is brf, not grains. so let it colonize to 100%, then give it a week for consolidation. then birth, dunk in water for 24 hours, then roll in verm, then fruit in proper SGFC. otherwise, expect highly diminished results.

like kush said, you need to do a LOT more research and reading. try to read more up-to-date teks/threads.




Okay, thanks, as I said terminology is not my forte, but now I know, it's BRF, not grain, thanks mate :smile:


Quote:

Kush_Zombie said:
http://www.mushroomvideos.com/Download

Finally found it. Watch these sample clips and learn young grasshopper.


Shoutout to Trusted Cultivator for having it in his signature :awehigh:




I shall watch :smile:
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Trusted Cultivator said:
Should be able to browse to every good TEK on this site from the links in my signature. AMU and TNF have recommended method/TEK threads plus the other links goes to literally everything you could need





thanks :smile:
Quote:

Supalemonhaze said:
That cake holding thing will make a terrible FC. It's barely tall enough  to house your cake and the shrooms growing off of it, let alone filling it with enough perlite for it to act like a SGFC.

Stick to the teks, thank us later.





I've talen yours and others advie, gonna make a real chamber. Thanks :smile:
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This is literally going to be a cake. As others mentioned, just make a proper sgfc. It might spare you of disappointment. Also that plastic cake looks wet on the bottom and there's no dry verm layer on top.  :shrug:




When you say it's literally going to be a cake, what do you mean?

There is a layer of verm, probably just not a great picture. And again, may be the dazzle of the verm making it look moist. These tubs are sterile, I know that much.

Thanks guys, I was expecting more elitist, holier-than-thou responses, but you've all been very helpful :smile:

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Re: My setup [Re: Leeq]
    #23452035 - 07/18/16 07:34 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Leeq said:
What is the purpose of the dunk and roll?





Dunking it rehydrates the cake, which it needs.

Rolling it in the verm helps protect it from contams flying around. look at the verm as the cake's "armor".

And no, that doesn't mean to just put a filter over the holes. Don't put a filter over the holes in your fruiting chamber.


Quote:

Leeq said:
When you say it's literally going to be a cake, what do you mean?





Chocolate I hope.


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How to get started in bulk:
Presto 23-Quart Pressure Cooker
BOD's Simple as FUCK Still Air Box
PastyWhyte's Easy Agar Tek
Munchauzen's Cultivation Video Series
How EvilMushroom666 Prepares His Grains (I use jars with Synthetic Filter Discs)
What is G2G? (Grain-to-Grain)
Damion5050's Coir Tek (I use 5.5 - 6 quarts of water instead of 4. Also ignore step 13 and ignore the monotub completely. The only purpose of this tek is to show you how to make a simple substrate. I also add gypsum to it but not necessary)
Spitball's Monotub Tek (A liner isn't necessary but is useful)
Use 6500k lights throughout the whole process. When you wake up, turn the light on. When you go to sleep turn the light off. It's as simple as that.

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Re: My setup [Re: Kush_Zombie]
    #23452044 - 07/18/16 07:37 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Kush_Zombie said:
Quote:

Leeq said:
What is the purpose of the dunk and roll?





Dunking it rehydrates the cake, which it needs.

Rolling it in the verm helps protect it from contams flying around. look at the verm as the cake's "armor".

And no, that doesn't mean to just put a filter over the holes. Don't put a filter over the holes in your fruiting chamber.


Quote:

Leeq said:
When you say it's literally going to be a cake, what do you mean?





Chocolate I hope.




Oh no I've learnt not to put a filter over the hole. Thanks.

I'd rather marble, get the chocolatey goodness and the lovely vanilla.

Maybe a fruit cake, but they can be too dense, time and place though innit.

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Re: My setup [Re: Leeq]
    #23452049 - 07/18/16 07:39 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

yeah idk, i think it could just be the consistency of the mix, with the lighting, or something. Hopefully t will work out fine. you'll know soon enough :wink:

and you are making the right decision to make a proper SGFC to fruit cakes in. you wont be disappointed, as long as you follow the tek exactly.

give the tek i linked in my last post a good read, as well as lots of others that Trusted Cult has in his sig, and the videos that Kush linked, and you'll do fine. they should answer most, if not all questions you might have.


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Re: My setup [Re: Leeq]
    #23452057 - 07/18/16 07:42 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

How did you sterilize the plastic jar? I guess what I was saying that the bottom 1-2" looks wet or over cooked. The mix looks consistent though, so good job on that.


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Re: My setup [Re: Leeq]
    #23452064 - 07/18/16 07:43 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

:lol:

When he said it's going to be a cake, he meant this definition.

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cake - a block of compacted or congealed matter




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How to get started in bulk:
Presto 23-Quart Pressure Cooker
BOD's Simple as FUCK Still Air Box
PastyWhyte's Easy Agar Tek
Munchauzen's Cultivation Video Series
How EvilMushroom666 Prepares His Grains (I use jars with Synthetic Filter Discs)
What is G2G? (Grain-to-Grain)
Damion5050's Coir Tek (I use 5.5 - 6 quarts of water instead of 4. Also ignore step 13 and ignore the monotub completely. The only purpose of this tek is to show you how to make a simple substrate. I also add gypsum to it but not necessary)
Spitball's Monotub Tek (A liner isn't necessary but is useful)
Use 6500k lights throughout the whole process. When you wake up, turn the light on. When you go to sleep turn the light off. It's as simple as that.

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Re: My setup [Re: Kush_Zombie]
    #23452166 - 07/18/16 08:16 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Most of what I was going to say has already been said besides this..

Once you inoculate that cake or "tub" do NOT flip it upside down. 

You shouldn't be flipping, or even really handling, a freshly inoculated jar or tub anyways.  You'll knock the protective verm layer all over and open a pathway for contams.

Hopefully you have a few holes for gas exchange in those containers too.

Finally they would be stored on a shelf in a room. Not in a closet or an incubator. Just a plain old shelf in indirect sunlight.

But with that said.. yeah, build a proper SGFC exactly to spec and you'll do fine.

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Re: My setup [Re: BLINKfan420]
    #23453462 - 07/18/16 04:14 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

BLINKfan420 said:
Most of what I was going to say has already been said besides this..

Once you inoculate that cake or "tub" do NOT flip it upside down. 

You shouldn't be flipping, or even really handling, a freshly inoculated jar or tub anyways.  You'll knock the protective verm layer all over and open a pathway for contams.

Hopefully you have a few holes for gas exchange in those containers too.

Finally they would be stored on a shelf in a room. Not in a closet or an incubator. Just a plain old shelf in indirect sunlight.

But with that said.. yeah, build a proper SGFC exactly to spec and you'll do fine.

BliNK




So, leave tubs lid-side up while colonizing with mycelium, and pierce a few holes in the lid to allow gas exchange, is what you're saying?

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Re: My setup [Re: Leeq]
    #23453488 - 07/18/16 04:20 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

The holes should have already been pierced  :horrified:


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How to get started in bulk:
Presto 23-Quart Pressure Cooker
BOD's Simple as FUCK Still Air Box
PastyWhyte's Easy Agar Tek
Munchauzen's Cultivation Video Series
How EvilMushroom666 Prepares His Grains (I use jars with Synthetic Filter Discs)
What is G2G? (Grain-to-Grain)
Damion5050's Coir Tek (I use 5.5 - 6 quarts of water instead of 4. Also ignore step 13 and ignore the monotub completely. The only purpose of this tek is to show you how to make a simple substrate. I also add gypsum to it but not necessary)
Spitball's Monotub Tek (A liner isn't necessary but is useful)
Use 6500k lights throughout the whole process. When you wake up, turn the light on. When you go to sleep turn the light off. It's as simple as that.

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