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candela
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A lot of Grains to Cook (Back 2 Back)
#23453051 - 07/18/16 02:04 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I rather ask this stupid question, rather than making a stupid mistake.
Regularly, a lot of us cook a small batch and let our grains cool off inside of our PC.
What if I had a lot of jars to cook.
After cooking a batch, do you just wait for the PC to hit zero, open it up, take out the cooked jars and put new jars in?
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Re: A lot of Grains to Cook (Back 2 Back) [Re: candela]
#23453091 - 07/18/16 02:17 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Waiting for a response as well
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Re: A lot of Grains to Cook (Back 2 Back) [Re: candela]
#23453108 - 07/18/16 02:21 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I normally do about 24 jars worth of rice each time I soak my rice. My PC fits 9 jars.
Immediately after I put the rye in the jars, I start PCing. When it's done, I let it cool off for about 8 hours. I take them out, pour a little water to make up for what evaporated, and pressure cook 9 more jars. I let the second set sit overnight. The next morning when I get up, I'll have 18 jars total ready to go and roughly 7 more to PC which I do that morning.
My goal personally is to do no more than 27 jars (3 runs) at a time. When those 27 are done, I start soaking more rye.
I find that if I do more than that, the jars get noticeable mold by the time it's ready for me to PC them. Not to say that I haven't PC'd slightly moldy jars and had them come out beautiful still, I just don't like the idea of the mold so I do my best to avoid seeing it at all.
I can do 2 sets of jars a day with no problem. Do NOT take them out as soon as the gauge goes to zero...You're just asking for your jars to explode. Don't do anything at all to cool the PC faster, just let it cool on its own.
My other suggestion is to buy another PC if you have to so you can double your work.
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Re: A lot of Grains to Cook (Back 2 Back) [Re: Kush_Zombie]
#23453607 - 07/18/16 04:48 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I open the pc as soon as i can have my hands on the lid without being hurt. Usually something like 1-2 hours after a cook depending on my windows being open or whatnot
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Re: A lot of Grains to Cook (Back 2 Back) [Re: Yerow]
#23453845 - 07/18/16 06:16 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I let it depressurize, wait like half an hour for the jars to get depressurized, shake them while they're still warm, and put the jars in the SAB to cool. Then run another load.
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Re: A lot of Grains to Cook (Back 2 Back) [Re: Mad Season]
#23453856 - 07/18/16 06:19 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Damn. I guess I could've gotten those jars done faster. Oh well.
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Re: A lot of Grains to Cook (Back 2 Back) [Re: Kush_Zombie]
#23453871 - 07/18/16 06:25 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Well, probably better for your pc in the long run to cool all the way down before doing more but yeah
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Re: A lot of Grains to Cook (Back 2 Back) [Re: candela]
#23453901 - 07/18/16 06:41 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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As soon as my PC cycle hits 90 minutes, I remove it from the heat, let it cool just enough for the pressure to return to 0, then open it and reload. There is no purpose in letting it sit or cool any longer than needed. It takes maybe 10-20 minutes to return to 0 and for the pressure lock to disengage. Once that lock drops, go for it.
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Re: A lot of Grains to Cook (Back 2 Back) [Re: Munchauzen]
#23454386 - 07/18/16 09:45 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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i take my jars out when it hits 0 on the regular and very seldom have contams just tighten your lids as they come out or pc with them already tight but i find i can run 3 2hr cycles in a long day and if i get tired or fag out for any reason i just store my un sterilized grain in the fridge till im ready
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Re: A lot of Grains to Cook (Back 2 Back) [Re: tetherface]
#23454407 - 07/18/16 09:48 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah I used to open right at 0, but I'd often hear the jars hissing when I did. Not interested in having shit get fucked up. Not saying I've linked any contaminations to it hissing, just don't like opening a pc of hissing jars in open air. Now I let it sit a bit before opening. 15-30 minutes, and the jars aren't hissing, still hot af tho.
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Re: A lot of Grains to Cook (Back 2 Back) [Re: Mad Season]
#23454684 - 07/18/16 11:30 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Mad Season said: I let it depressurize, wait like half an hour for the jars to get depressurized, shake them while they're still warm, and put the jars in the SAB to cool. Then run another load.
Do you still wipe them all down before using?
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Re: A lot of Grains to Cook (Back 2 Back) [Re: stareatclouds]
#23454698 - 07/18/16 11:36 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I use to wipe all jars straight ouuta pc before sab. After a while ive skipped this step anf have not seen a contamination vector because of it..
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Re: A lot of Grains to Cook (Back 2 Back) [Re: Redsway]
#23454700 - 07/18/16 11:38 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Redsway said: I use to wipe all jars straight ouuta pc before sab. After a while ive skipped this step anf have not seen a contamination vector because of it..
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Re: A lot of Grains to Cook (Back 2 Back) [Re: stareatclouds]
#23454701 - 07/18/16 11:38 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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If they go straight from the PC to the SAB they don't necessarily need a wipe IMO. That would be a huge waiste of time and paper-towel/alcohol.
Stuff that been sitting on a shelf or something for a while are the ones I give a wipe before working with, like a grain master for g2g.
And this is your best and most clearly stated answer in this thread, OP.
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Munchauzen said: As soon as my PC cycle hits 90 minutes, I remove it from the heat, let it cool just enough for the pressure to return to 0, then open it and reload. There is no purpose in letting it sit or cool any longer than needed. It takes maybe 10-20 minutes to return to 0 and for the pressure lock to disengage. Once that lock drops, go for it.
Just be careful pulling out hot jars on your hands, and not to set them on any cold surface right away, as they have a possiblily to shatter from thermal flux.

Edited by TheChief (07/18/16 11:51 PM)
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Re: A lot of Grains to Cook (Back 2 Back) [Re: TheChief]
#23454721 - 07/18/16 11:48 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Interesting. Do you remove the foil (if you use it) in the SAB or immediately? And what about shaking the jars?
I take my foil off and shake the jars to distribute the moisture before SAB, so I feel like wiping with alcohol is necessary.
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Re: A lot of Grains to Cook (Back 2 Back) [Re: stareatclouds]
#23454730 - 07/18/16 11:54 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I only have foil on the bottom jars in the PC, so lots of jars have no foil, and I shake before putting it in the SAB while still hot. Still haven't used alcohol lol. I pretty much always A2G, and I open lids in a way where there's minimal contaminants going over the jar.
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Now while you've got the wedge on the blade, slide the jar lid off until your fingers are no longer over the jar.
if you have the rubber attached I highly recommend taking it off. This will make life much easier.

Using the rim of the jar, take it off the scalpel and let it drop into the jar. Sometimes it sticks to the jar so give it a good shake/stir AFTER THE LID IS BACK ON to get it to go down. 
Now slide the lid back on

If you did a grain jar, give it a good shake to rub the mycelium off onto grains. Also to get it under the surface. Shake again at 20-30% as you normally would.
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Re: A lot of Grains to Cook (Back 2 Back) [Re: stareatclouds]
#23454738 - 07/18/16 11:59 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I do use foil, I use it as an extra contam barrier around the lid up until inoculation. So when you do transfer them from the PC to SAB, at least the lid area is still covered and some what sterile. Makes sense, right?
Remove the foil right before inoculation in the SAB. The foil can be reused many times over.
I shake my jars after inoculation... Why are you shaking them before?
Guess if you use a spore syringe you could to redistribute the moisture first, but I don't do that. I thought we were talking G2G here. 
If your grains are prepped right you shouldn't need to shake regardless.
Edited by TheChief (07/19/16 12:49 AM)
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Re: A lot of Grains to Cook (Back 2 Back) [Re: TheChief]
#23454748 - 07/19/16 12:03 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Because they are so much easier to distribute when right out of the PC with these :P.
Grains get sticky and compacted when they aren't warm. And when you shake too much they starch the shit out of things. Warm they take like 1-2 shakes to distribute with no starching, and it's much easier to distribute agar and shit after too.
Edit: to add it also really depends a lot on the grain and your prep. For instance with oats I don't need to do any of this shit. With millet and WBS I've been doing this with no starching. Really any grain that can starch shit up I prefer doing this.
Edited by Mad Season (07/19/16 12:12 AM)
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Re: A lot of Grains to Cook (Back 2 Back) [Re: Mad Season]
#23454770 - 07/19/16 12:28 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I have just always shaken my grains real quick to distribute moisture on the way out of the PC. I primarily use oats, which are much more forgiving (especially with gypsum added) and I usually use LI. For G2G it wouldn't matter because I'm shaking right after inoculation.
Either way, all it is is some paper towels and iso, not a big deal.
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Re: A lot of Grains to Cook (Back 2 Back) [Re: stareatclouds]
#23454773 - 07/19/16 12:30 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I shake them to distribute inoculation points, not moisture.
My moisture content is locked within the grains when properly prepped, there is nothing to distribute. 
If I were to use a liquid inoculant (spore syring, slurry or LC), I would just squirt some in and not even shake. If a wedge, I toss it in then just shake it to the side, so it Is fully covered and I can still see it as it colonizes. Shake again after 20-30%.
I use rye, these are just my own preferences and experiences.
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Edited by TheChief (07/19/16 12:52 AM)
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