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Re: '73 dead' after truck crashes into crowd at Bastille Day celebrations in Nice 'terror attack' [Re: Asante]
    #23452514 - 07/18/16 10:53 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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If you stop being so scared of young black males for a moment you'd realize that the behavior you are describing occurs
after every major sports match, with no social justice intent whatsoever.




And it's wrong then as well.


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Re: '73 dead' after truck crashes into crowd at Bastille Day celebrations in Nice 'terror attack' [Re: Asante]
    #23452571 - 07/18/16 11:14 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Yes but somehow people don't feel as threatened by it and are not as determined that the police should stomp out the menace.


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Re: '73 dead' after truck crashes into crowd at Bastille Day celebrations in Nice 'terror attack' [Re: Asante]
    #23452593 - 07/18/16 11:23 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Weird innit


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Re: '73 dead' after truck crashes into crowd at Bastille Day celebrations in Nice 'terror attack' [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23452596 - 07/18/16 11:25 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Kinda.


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Re: '73 dead' after truck crashes into crowd at Bastille Day celebrations in Nice 'terror attack' [Re: Asante]
    #23452680 - 07/18/16 11:53 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Yes but somehow people don't feel as threatened by it and are not as determined that the police should stomp out the menace.




Hmm, it's apples and oranges. Flipping over a few cars after some team wins the Stanley Cup really isn't the same as a dangerous political movement.

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Re: '73 dead' after truck crashes into crowd at Bastille Day celebrations in Nice 'terror attack' [Re: qman] * 1
    #23452700 - 07/18/16 12:00 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Yes but somehow people don't feel as threatened by it and are not as determined that the police should stomp out the menace.




Hmm, it's apples and oranges. Flipping over a few cars after some team wins the Stanley Cup really isn't the same as a dangerous political movement.




Equality is a dangerous political movement?


People have been making these arguments as a smokescreen for bigotry in virtually every single civil rights movement in this nation's history.

Amazing that people think you reach the epitome of equality a generation after our apartheid system. Southerners cant even get over the rebel flag and that was 230 years ago, blacks are supposed to to forego social progress because we started letting them use our water fountains in the 70s.


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Re: '73 dead' after truck crashes into crowd at Bastille Day celebrations in Nice 'terror attack' [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23452715 - 07/18/16 12:05 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Seems there are a lot of black people that don't agree with BLM either, but it's only the ones that do support it whose opinions are accurate? Are you just scared of being called a racist if you don't support it or something? Black people that don't support BLM tend to be more for equality than the blood thirsty black people who support BLM that cheer when some white people die in the name of "equality."


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Re: '73 dead' after truck crashes into crowd at Bastille Day celebrations in Nice 'terror attack' [Re: Eminence] * 1
    #23452741 - 07/18/16 12:14 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Seems there are a lot of black people that don't agree with BLM either, but it's only the ones that do support it whose opinions are accurate? Are you just scared of being called a racist if you don't support it or something? Black people that don't support BLM tend to be more for equality than the blood thirsty black people who support BLM that cheer when some white people die in the name of "equality."




Why do people have to fall for the false dichotomy every single time?

Are there violent blacka who support BLM? Yes.

Are there violent blacks who dont support BLM? Yes

Are there violent whites who do? Yes. Dont? Yes.


If you think labelling an entire group as blood thirsty because theres a youtube video of a few peoppe celebrating a policeman being murdered is going to help things, youre just as bad as those you would call blood thirsty. Youre not helping. They arent helping.


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Re: '73 dead' after truck crashes into crowd at Bastille Day celebrations in Nice 'terror attack' [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
    #23452744 - 07/18/16 12:15 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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qman said:
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Yes but somehow people don't feel as threatened by it and are not as determined that the police should stomp out the menace.




Hmm, it's apples and oranges. Flipping over a few cars after some team wins the Stanley Cup really isn't the same as a dangerous political movement.




Equality is a dangerous political movement?


People have been making these arguments as a smokescreen for bigotry in virtually every single civil rights movement in this nation's history.

Amazing that people think you reach the epitome of equality a generation after our apartheid system. Southerners cant even get over the rebel flag and that was 230 years ago, blacks are supposed to to forego social progress because we started letting them use our water fountains in the 70s.




"Equality is a dangerous political movement"

In many ways it is because those movements are looking for equality of outcomes even when they have the same civil rights and liberties as everyone else, there will NEVER be equality of outcomes for all people.

Are there equal rights and protection under the law?  Yes. Are there equal outcomes for arrests, incarcerations, education, and wealth?  No, that no longer means "equality" isn't taking place, correlation isn't causation.

Having an aggressive and violent movement that demands equality of outcomes because racism is the only factor preventing that goal is a dangerous movement. I got news for you, this movement can't win the war it wants to wage, they just don't know it yet.

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Re: '73 dead' after truck crashes into crowd at Bastille Day celebrations in Nice 'terror attack' [Re: qman] * 1
    #23452781 - 07/18/16 12:26 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Nobody is arguing for equality of outcome, nice red herring.


Civil rights laws exist, but there are many laws in place that still disproportionately affect african americans. And even if there wasnt, theres ample proof that blacks are treated more harshly for the same crimes and actions than whites.

Do you honestly believe race relations shouldve been 100% when LBJ was in office? Half this nation believes Obama is a Kenyan Muslim. Is there a law against a black man being president? No. Is there half a nation who believes he shouldnt be? Yes. Can you honestly tell me nobody with that belief holds public office? Sits on the bench? Is a police officer? Witness? Juror? Come on, now.

A problem clearly exists. You can write it off just like every other generation of antagonists did as "uppity minorities wanting special treatment," and history will remember you as such.


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Re: '73 dead' after truck crashes into crowd at Bastille Day celebrations in Nice 'terror attack' [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
    #23452796 - 07/18/16 12:30 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

And its not just a justice system problem either. Its the rigged economic system against the poor, which keeps minorities especially trapped with no mobility, no opportunities. No more decent union labor jobs, no more decent public schools, the list goes on and on.


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Re: '73 dead' after truck crashes into crowd at Bastille Day celebrations in Nice 'terror attack' [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23452800 - 07/18/16 12:31 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

So, if a law disproportionately effects a group it's invalid?
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And its not just a justice system problem either. Its the rigged economic system against the poor, which keeps minorities especially trapped with no mobility, no opportunities. No more decent union labor jobs, no more decent public schools, the list goes on and on.



There are plenty of those


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Re: '73 dead' after truck crashes into crowd at Bastille Day celebrations in Nice 'terror attack' [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
    #23452801 - 07/18/16 12:32 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

If only everyone could get a small loan of $1,000,000 from their daddy, we'd be a okay.


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Re: '73 dead' after truck crashes into crowd at Bastille Day celebrations in Nice 'terror attack' [Re: specialpeopleclub] * 1
    #23452807 - 07/18/16 12:33 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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So, if a law disproportionately effects a group it's invalid?
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And its not just a justice system problem either. Its the rigged economic system against the poor, which keeps minorities especially trapped with no mobility, no opportunities. No more decent union labor jobs, no more decent public schools, the list goes on and on.



There are plenty of those




It depends. Could be discriminatory, could be bad luck. Whats the harm in talking about it?


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Re: '73 dead' after truck crashes into crowd at Bastille Day celebrations in Nice 'terror attack' [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
    #23452812 - 07/18/16 12:35 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

People don't like Obama because he's shit, you're way overblowing the amount of people who don't want him to be president because he's black. You just said it yourself, those people are way more concerned about him being a Kenyan Muslim than him being a black man. You're just enabling a bunch of idiots with that kind of mindset


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Re: '73 dead' after truck crashes into crowd at Bastille Day celebrations in Nice 'terror attack' [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
    #23452815 - 07/18/16 12:37 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Nobody is arguing for equality of outcome, nice red herring.


Civil rights laws exist, but there are many laws in place that still disproportionately affect african americans. And even if there wasnt, theres ample proof that blacks are treated more harshly for the same crimes and actions than whites.

Do you honestly believe race relations shouldve been 100% when LBJ was in office? Half this nation believes Obama is a Kenyan Muslim. Is there a law against a black man being president? No. Is there half a nation who believes he shouldnt be? Yes. Can you honestly tell me nobody with that belief holds public office? Sits on the bench? Is a police officer? Witness? Juror? Come on, now.

A problem clearly exists. You can write it off just like every other generation of antagonists did as "uppity minorities wanting special treatment," and history will remember you as such.




"blacks are treated more harshly for the same crimes and actions than whites"

So there's a conspiracy to punish blacks over whites? Is this the same conspiracy to punish poor over rich?  Or the same conspiracy to punish young over old, or male over female?

Or are you and others ignoring everything else except for race?  That would make people a racist.

"Nobody with that belief?"

What belief?  That Obama is a incompetent racist moron?  Now you want to control people's opinions of the world around them because you disagree with it?

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Re: '73 dead' after truck crashes into crowd at Bastille Day celebrations in Nice 'terror attack' [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23452817 - 07/18/16 12:37 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

There is a discrepancy, so you cry descrimination? You know that isn't just saying there is a problem? You are calling people raciest. Maybe people don't sign up and stay at home doing nothing? It isn't that expensive, places will get you help. We don't teach kids well enough about finding careers that suit them, especially of far away.


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Re: '73 dead' after truck crashes into crowd at Bastille Day celebrations in Nice 'terror attack' [Re: Eminence] * 1
    #23452823 - 07/18/16 12:41 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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People don't like Obama because he's shit, you're way overblowing the amount of people who don't want him to be president because he's black. You just said it yourself, those people are way more concerned about him being a Kenyan Muslim than him being a black man. You're just enabling a bunch of idiots with that kind of mindset




You think the people who believe hes a kenyan muslim has nothing to do with discriminatory beliefs about blacks (kenyans are blacks btw)?


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    #23452830 - 07/18/16 12:44 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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People don't like Obama because he's shit, you're way overblowing the amount of people who don't want him to be president because he's black. You just said it yourself, those people are way more concerned about him being a Kenyan Muslim than him being a black man. You're just enabling a bunch of idiots with that kind of mindset




You think the people who believe hes a kenyan muslim has nothing to do with discriminatory beliefs about blacks (kenyans are blacks btw)?




Most people dislike Obama because he's a racist fucktard, it has NOTHING to do with "Kenyan muslim".

Do you forget you put and voted Obama into Office?

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    #23452843 - 07/18/16 12:47 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Nobody is arguing for equality of outcome, nice red herring.


Civil rights laws exist, but there are many laws in place that still disproportionately affect african americans. And even if there wasnt, theres ample proof that blacks are treated more harshly for the same crimes and actions than whites.

Do you honestly believe race relations shouldve been 100% when LBJ was in office? Half this nation believes Obama is a Kenyan Muslim. Is there a law against a black man being president? No. Is there half a nation who believes he shouldnt be? Yes. Can you honestly tell me nobody with that belief holds public office? Sits on the bench? Is a police officer? Witness? Juror? Come on, now.

A problem clearly exists. You can write it off just like every other generation of antagonists did as "uppity minorities wanting special treatment," and history will remember you as such.




"blacks are treated more harshly for the same crimes and actions than whites"

So there's a conspiracy to punish blacks over whites? Is this the same conspiracy to punish poor over rich?  Or the same conspiracy to punish young over old, or male over female?

Or are you and others ignoring everything else except for race?  That would make people a racist.

"Nobody with that belief?"

What belief?  That Obama is a incompetent racist moron?  Now you want to control people's opinions of the world around them because you disagree with it?




It doesnt have to be a conspiracy. The Rockefeller drug laws for example, target minorities and punish them more strictly simply because the cocaine they typically sold was in rock form. Whether or not the law was made intentionally to target minorities (rather than just crack) is irrelevant to the consequences of the law and the need for its reform.

Its almost like the right's attack on voter rights laws nowadays. The GOP (typically) is using what even SCOTUS deems as legal means to purposefully disenfranchise the votes of "unfriendly" voters. We dont need to take the GOP to court and make them admit to being racist on the stand, we just need to change the fucking laws.

Just like we need civilian oversight, and automatic federal inquiries into officer-related homicides. Body cameras wouldnt be the end of the world, either. Do I need to prove all these things need to happen because of racism? Or can you just accept they all make sense and move on?


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