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velho


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Odd Panaeolus? / Finland
#23452717 - 07/18/16 12:05 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hi! I found these mushrooms today and I think they might be somekind of Panaeolus. First I thought cinctulus, but I don't know.. Are they even Panaeolus? The stem is smooth, hollow and fragile. It bruises darker very fast when handling. The cap seems sturdy and somewhat off compared to my other panaeolus finds. Their 'big' appereance makes me confused. Spore print in progress.

These are from a very different kind of habitat than my previous cinctulus finds. What I know about the habitat is that there's horse dung around and also there used to be sheeps before. Do they look like cinctulus to you?
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Re: Odd Panaeolus? / Finland [Re: velho]
#23452737 - 07/18/16 12:14 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Take a cap off and leave it Ina piece of paper. If it's jet black it's pans but you need a lot more for a decent trip.
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Re: Odd Panaeolus? / Finland [Re: TheWiseElf]
#23453313 - 07/18/16 03:31 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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TheWiseElf said: Take a cap off and leave it Ina piece of paper. If it's jet black it's pans but you need a lot more for a decent trip.
Do they need to bluish or it's not necessary? How many like these are needed to get a trip?.
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ambc
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Re: Odd Panaeolus? / Finland [Re: TheWiseElf]
#23453384 - 07/18/16 03:51 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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TheWiseElf said: Take a cap off and leave it Ina piece of paper. If it's jet black it's pans but you need a lot more for a decent trip.
Those will produce a jet black print. What species are you implying that these mushrooms are? You are aware that there are Panaeolus species, with jet black spore deposits, that are not at all psychoactive, right?
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Re: Odd Panaeolus? / Finland [Re: velho]
#23453444 - 07/18/16 04:08 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Seems to me there is possibly some manure mixed with the mulch. I would think P. cinctulus is quite likely.
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Re: Odd Panaeolus? / Finland [Re: Anglerfish]
#23453793 - 07/18/16 05:57 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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P. cinctulus is what I would call them, with current available info. They do appear to be active an active Panaeolus species, at least.
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ambc
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Re: Odd Panaeolus? / Finland [Re: TheWiseElf]
#23453809 - 07/18/16 06:05 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I apologize for my snotty post. I was hurrying and didn't actually read the original post fully. I now see that Pan. cinctulus were implied by the context.
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velho


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Re: Odd Panaeolus? / Finland [Re: ambc]
#23454886 - 07/19/16 02:13 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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ambc said: I apologize for my snotty post. I was hurrying and didn't actually read the original post fully. I now see that Pan. cinctulus were implied by the context.
No worries, you weren't the only one. I almost posted "anyone sober?" after the first reply heh.
Anyhow these printed jet black, so they could be cinctulus. However I still have my doubts, I just can't get over about their enormous size compared to my previous Panaeolus finds. Also the general appereance on the cap and gills seems so much off. I would've expected atleast one of these to have flattened out a bit more due to their size and age and the gills would be hanging a bit maybe below the cap margin if these were cinctulus. Also the stipe feels somewhat smoother and brittle is more correct word for it than fragile as I described before. Maybe I'll try to get these microscoped.
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Re: Odd Panaeolus? / Finland [Re: velho]
#23464854 - 07/22/16 03:59 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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It's Panaeolus cinctulus and I don't see anything strange about them. With brittle stems, do you mean they snap off with a "pop"? That's normal.
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velho


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Re: Odd Panaeolus? / Finland [Re: knarkkorven]
#23465421 - 07/22/16 09:40 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hej och tack! Panaeolus cinctulus is kinda new one for me, I've found them only once before and only one of them had these kinda of characteristics. Thought I never really bothered to actually look for them, but now I seem to find them here and there everywhere I go. But yea, they sure can look totally different in different kind of habitats.
They're pretty much dry now and the five caps with their stipes weight 0.9g.
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Re: Odd Panaeolus? / Finland [Re: velho]
#23469743 - 07/23/16 03:46 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I think you would recognize them if they weren't so dry.
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the five caps with their stipes weight 0.9g.
Ok, now find 20 more
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