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OfflineLucisM
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Re: Psilocybe Caerulipes 2016 [Re: Roger Wilco]
    #23582279 - 08/27/16 12:45 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Roger Wilco said:
Found about 25 total.





Can you guesstimate how a bioassay from 25 specimens would turn out?


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Re: Psilocybe Caerulipes 2016 [Re: Lucis]
    #23582581 - 08/27/16 06:10 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Nice finds mead! (Been a while) glad to see your still finding them!

Cool stuff Roger! I think Nobeggining would be interested in your find, as he is another brother from the north.

25 would probably be about a gram dried and would give you a mild trip, but depends on the size as they vary quite a bit.

Good luck everyone!


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Re: Psilocybe Caerulipes 2016 [Re: knarkkorven]
    #23582661 - 08/27/16 07:41 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Wow! This photo is sooo good!!
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And thank you! That is very kind!


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Re: Psilocybe Caerulipes 2016 [Re: Roy]
    #23583025 - 08/27/16 10:25 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks :smile: Hurt my back (again) last year. It's really tough--but they still call me.


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Re: Psilocybe Caerulipes 2016 [Re: Mead]
    #23583068 - 08/27/16 10:39 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Very nice photos! That's the farthest north I've heard of them but I'm kinda new to the game lol


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Re: Psilocybe Caerulipes 2016 [Re: Roy]
    #23583584 - 08/27/16 01:43 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Roy said:
25 would probably be about a gram dried.......





Accurate.


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Re: Psilocybe Caerulipes 2016 [Re: Roy]
    #23584610 - 08/27/16 06:03 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Roy said:
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knarkkorven said:
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Roy said:





Wow! This photo is sooo good!!
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And thank you! That is very kind!




Woah yes, very nice picture. Fappable material right there mate :smile:


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Re: Psilocybe Caerulipes 2016 *DELETED* [Re: Blazer420]
    #23587298 - 08/28/16 03:29 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Psilocybe Caerulipes 2016 [Re: stevo]
    #23587444 - 08/28/16 04:18 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Hmmm, can you get your hands on any alder? As they are closely related to birch and decay just as fast. The speed of decay amongst the woods seems to be what they like. Birch and beech are amongst the fastest decayers, followed by maple, though cherry decays fast and i have never seen them on that. So who knows. Anyway that was a little off topic, as of now I have found them growing from beech, yellow birch, black birch, sugar maple and big tooth aspen. All fast decayers. So i would say red and black maple should be a good choice and aspen is a poplar so you can try that. Though im not sure what you are calling poplar, the common lumber called poplar is the tulip tree and they are some of the largest trees here in the east but not a true poplar like cottonwood or your aspens. Anyway hope that helped, I would be curious if you get any growth. Good luck!


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Re: Psilocybe Caerulipes 2016 *DELETED* [Re: Roy]
    #23587577 - 08/28/16 04:52 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Psilocybe Caerulipes 2016 [Re: stevo]
    #23587659 - 08/28/16 05:15 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Yea those cherries love them the sun. But they are common forest trees up here in the mountains. Most of our mountain tops have choke, pin and black cherries growing as shrubs and are pretty dominant outside of the spruce and fir parts. While Black cherry is commonly scattered over the drier parts of the northern hardwood as a canopy tree. Hornbeam would be a good choice also closely related to birch, while i have checked every decaying hornbeam and have not found any caerulipes yet it isnt all that common where i search and it does seem like a good wood for them.


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Re: Psilocybe Caerulipes 2016 [Re: Roy]
    #23589664 - 08/29/16 11:08 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Found one with a mutated cap. Had to take pictures:




A few trees are already changing color with yellow leaves, our season is coming to a close up here.


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Re: Psilocybe Caerulipes 2016 [Re: D_T.eonanacatl]
    #23591801 - 08/29/16 09:39 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Always impressed with all of your photos guys, keep 'em coming! :thumbup:

I'm hoping to get out and find some soon. The season seems to usually start later in my neck of the woods though.

And Roy, do you have any tips on identifying decaying logs? I know the difference between a rotting hardwood and softwood but when it comes down to identifying hardwoods I am a little lost especially when the bark is completely rotted away. I feel like I can recognize a rotting beech log but I'm never completely confident that it is beech or something similar.

Any advice is greatly appreciated!


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Re: Psilocybe Caerulipes 2016 [Re: tak18] * 1
    #23593459 - 08/30/16 12:12 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Nice DT that is weird!

Without the bark would be pretty darn hard, but there will usually be bark of some kind left as it decays much slower than the wood itself. Especially the birches as the bark holds in the moisture and speeds up decay. I would say the best way is to just understand the forest your in, look at the living trees and identify them. Then look at their stature and form and how they grow in that forest and compare the fallen trees to the living. But your best bet is to find the stump where the tree fell or the tree where a branch has fallen and identify it that way, hopefully there will be some bark. The forests i am usually in consist of only yellow birch, american beech and sugar maple, and since the barks are all different it makes it relatively easy. As you start recognizing the dead wood and attributing it to a certain species you will start to recognize them better. But there will always be the mystery logs with no identifiable bark. As a side note, up here in the north east anyway, the beech trees are being wiped out by a bark disease and i mean WIPED out. Just about every beech tree has it and is being killed off, even young trees. Its not mentioned much or brought to anyones attention like the elm, chestnut, ash and butternut diseases but it is really bad. Eventually the beech will go the way of the chestnut and be found only as saplings in the understory. That being said there is a TON of decaying beech trees. Start looking for it and you will see what I mean, Im sure a lot of you have already witnessed it, The bark wont be smooth grey like a beech should it will be cracked and broken with black fissures throughout it which will usually give way to various other parasitic fungi like Armillaria. Anyway hope that helped, study the trees!


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Re: Psilocybe Caerulipes 2016 [Re: Roy]
    #23593522 - 08/30/16 12:31 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Nice DT that is weird!

Without the bark would be pretty darn hard, but there will usually be bark of some kind left as it decays much slower than the wood itself. Especially the birches as the bark holds in the moisture and speeds up decay. I would say the best way is to just understand the forest your in, look at the living trees and identify them. Then look at their stature and form and how they grow in that forest and compare the fallen trees to the living. But your best bet is to find the stump where the tree fell or the tree where a branch has fallen and identify it that way, hopefully there will be some bark. The forests i am usually in consist of only yellow birch, american beech and sugar maple, and since the barks are all different it makes it relatively easy. As you start recognizing the dead wood and attributing it to a certain species you will start to recognize them better. But there will always be the mystery logs with no identifiable bark. As a side note, up here in the north east anyway, the beech trees are being wiped out by a bark disease and i mean WIPED out. Just about every beech tree has it and is being killed off, even young trees. Its not mentioned much or brought to anyones attention like the elm, chestnut, ash and butternut diseases but it is really bad. Eventually the beech will go the way of the chestnut and be found only as saplings in the understory. That being said there is a TON of decaying beech trees. Start looking for it and you will see what I mean, Im sure a lot of you have already witnessed it, The bark wont be smooth grey like a beech should it will be cracked and broken with black fissures throughout it which will usually give way to various other parasitic fungi like Armillaria. Anyway hope that helped, study the trees!




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Re: Psilocybe Caerulipes 2016 [Re: stevo]
    #23594103 - 08/30/16 03:34 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

http://www.fs.fed.us/nrs/pubs/gtr/gtr_wo37/17_wargo_wo37.pdf

Lets hope it never reaches there but i fear its only a matter of time. Im always amazed how unbelievable successful/destructive/abundant the armillarias are, 90% is probably being generous on your part it seems like 100% of trees as they literally blanket the floor, but it makes sense, weak trees just succumb to it to make way for another tree and unfortunately too many invasive beetles have been opening up the door for the armillaria.


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Re: Psilocybe Caerulipes 2016 [Re: Roy]
    #23594954 - 08/30/16 07:08 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

In northern NJ I have seen quite a few healthy beech trees including small, midsize, and large to very large trees. I have also seen the black Armillaria rhizomorphs left behind in well decayed beech wood on occasion.


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Re: Psilocybe Caerulipes 2016 [Re: leschampignons]
    #23597896 - 08/31/16 03:20 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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In northern NJ I have seen quite a few healthy beech trees including small, midsize, and large to very large trees. I have also seen the black Armillaria rhizomorphs left behind in well decayed beech wood on occasion.




Yes there are some really nice stands of healthy Beech forests in Northern NJ. There are other parts that have been hit hard by the disease. But not all the seemingly healthy trees are. It also seems to be more prevalent in areas with high concentration of beech trees as apposed to scattered individuals. And as stevo said has yet to affect the south, but is found in the mountains of Virginia and West Virginia and North Carolina. In the 50's and 60's even after the disease was here in central NY Beech composed of 40-50% of the forest density, now it is down to 15% at best and most of those are dying, while the abundance of Sugar Maple sky rocketed. Beech falls, replaced by Sugar Maple, which now makes them the most common tree here as apposed to Beech as it was years ago.
Anyway I could talk about trees for hours, days even, as they are my life but we are getting off topic. Rain in the forecast so hopefully i will get out this weekend, days are running short. Good luck everyone!


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Re: Psilocybe Caerulipes 2016 [Re: Roy]
    #23599127 - 08/31/16 09:22 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Good stuff as always Roy.

I went out today and it was really sad seeing that most of the dying trees were mostly beech. I never knew that beech trees were getting hit this hard. I know caerulipes can proliferate among other hardwood types but beech seems to be the most prominent; it's a bittersweet realization knowing that caerulipes will have plenty of habitat and also the fact that there may not be much beech around in later years for them to propagate.

On my walk today, I did happen to see a lot of beech saplings as well as some larger adult beech trees that seemed particularly healthy. But they were few and far between.

So what is the deal with this Amarilla fungus; it seems like (from that paper you linked) this Amarilla fungus is taking advantage of an already necrotized tree due to fungal pathogens and beech bark insect scale. I don't know much about these species but are any of these invasive to the area? Of the dying trees that I have seen, some seem to be fairly aged (thick and tall). So I would assume either the Amarilla mushrooms, fungal pathogens or insect scale have been newly introduced among the northeast within the past 50 years or so?

Sorry to veer this thread off topic but this is such an intriguing topic. Maybe caerulipes is trying to tell us to save the beeches!


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