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Hippie3
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Re: The Coffee Project [Re: Jared]
#2340653 - 02/16/04 10:46 AM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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Feb 15th: the coffee casing is saturated with pins, with roughly twice as many as the regular casing. They are about a day ahead of the non-coffee pins. So far, coffee is lookin very nice
pretty impressive. can you post a pic ?
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Nickster_154371 said: If this has already been asked then i apologize, but if one were just using regular pf jars w/ brf, what would be best when casing? using straight ground up coffee, or a mix of verm and coffee. What kind of coffee is best? Also, any word on whether or not those caffeine pills would work? Thanks
we simply don't really know the answers yet, more experiments are needed. if i were to use coffee grounds in a casing though i would mix it with verm/peat/coir, etc. as grounds won't hold much water.
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Re: The Coffee Project [Re: Hippie3]
#2340787 - 02/16/04 11:24 AM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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How would one go about testing if caffeine pills work? I have a bunch of of the 200mg ones and id help out anyway that i can. I just thought of this but... lets say you were dunking a casing for its 2nd or 3rd flush and you ground up a couple of those caffeine pills and let the powder dissolve in the water that you were dunking your casing in...that sound like something that might work? or has anyone else tried that yet?
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Hippie3
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lets say you were dunking a casing for its 2nd or 3rd flush and you ground up a couple of those caffeine pills and let the powder dissolve in the water that you were dunking your casing in
might work. one 200 mg tablet should make about 3-4 cups of water
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Jared
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I have to suggest using the rez-effect with coffee hydrated verm, insted of in the casing layer.. Just something about putting coffee in an open air moist environment, without the mycelium right there to gobble it up that bugs me :P
Hippie, my friends camera is on the fritz right now.. sry :P
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Re: The Coffee Project [Re: Jared]
#2343591 - 02/16/04 09:54 PM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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you might try adding a tea made from flax seed too..I just pc'd some popcorn for 30minutes, as it was cooling i boiled about 20teaspoons of Flax Seed Meal and about the same amount of Coffee..made about 1-1/2 quarts of juice then added that to the popcorn and Pc'd for another 30minutes..STRAIN IT.my lb weight got stuck at about 5minutes left and probly is all gummed up from the grounds and flax seed meal..normaly ive always added about 1tblspoon of flax to a quart before doing final PC in jars.. some more pics on coffee would be cool..also those coffee soaked Verm casings would be nice to have a pic too...
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Re: The Coffee Project [Re: Hippie3]
#2343696 - 02/16/04 10:18 PM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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I volunteer to go ahead and try using crushed 200mg caffeine pills when i dunk my casing next. Its on its 3rd flush now and seems to be really weak, but hopefully some good ol' caffeine will give it a jump start haha.
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Re: The Coffee Project [Re: Jared]
#2344471 - 02/17/04 02:48 AM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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Jared said: I have to suggest using the rez-effect with coffee hydrated verm, insted of in the casing layer.. Just something about putting coffee in an open air moist environment, without the mycelium right there to gobble it up that bugs me :P Hippie, my friends camera is on the fritz right now.. sry :P
well jared, here's a very similar experiment but with pix. Quote:
AstroCreep (Astrocreep) Member Username: Astrocreep Post Number: 38 Registered: 10-2003 Posted on Monday, February 16, 2004 - 11:08 pm: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Experiment grow using verm soaked in coffee Strain: EQ 1 cup of water 1 tsp of coffee 1 tsp of dextrose 1 tsp of potatoe flakes 1 squirt of corn syrup all of the above were put in a pot and boiled for 10 mins to disolve as much as possible 1 cup of coarse verm was added to the liquid and allowed to soak up as much as possible excess liquid was squeezed out of the verm and 1/2 pint jars were filled and p.c'ed for 40 mins once colonized, colonized verm was crushed and cased in coir
from http://www.mycotopia.net/discus/messages/7747/114058.html?1077010707
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cowshitblues
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Re: The Coffee Project [Re: Hippie3]
#2344505 - 02/17/04 03:46 AM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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I wonder how long it took to colonize?.i like that idea. got a lot of coir laying around maybe ill try it with that add some flax seed too, throw in something shakable and put it in quarts 1/2 Nute verm or coir 1/2popcorn..hmmm
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go easy on the flax seeds, flax is very rich and excessive amounts in the substrate causes problems, only use a small %.
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Astro (Astrocreep) Intermediate Member Username: Astrocreep
Post Number: 53 Registered: 10-2003
Posted on Tuesday, February 17, 2004 - 04:37 pm:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- wonder how long it took to colonize? it took less time then a normal brf/verm jar but growth was less dense, the cakes broke apart really easy when i crushed them up
i tried this before using 2.5 tsp of coffee, growth started out good, but then parts of the uncolonized verm became contaminated a green mold I have heard coffee can be acidic, so maybe the pH was was off and caused a breeding grounds for contams next time i will try one without coffee, one with 1 tsp of coffee, and one with 2.5 tsp's of coffee and some calcium carbonate to buffer the pH but still keep caffiene levels high
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Re: The Coffee Project [Re: Hippie3]
#2345200 - 02/17/04 10:28 AM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hippie3 said:
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Jared said: I have to suggest using the rez-effect with coffee hydrated verm, insted of in the casing layer.. Just something about putting coffee in an open air moist environment, without the mycelium right there to gobble it up that bugs me :P
Hippie, my friends camera is on the fritz right now.. sry :P
well jared, here's a very similar experiment but with pix. Quote:
AstroCreep (Astrocreep) Member Username: Astrocreep
Post Number: 38 Registered: 10-2003
Posted on Monday, February 16, 2004 - 11:08 pm:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Experiment grow using verm soaked in coffee Strain: EQ
1 cup of water 1 tsp of coffee 1 tsp of dextrose 1 tsp of potatoe flakes 1 squirt of corn syrup all of the above were put in a pot and boiled for 10 mins to disolve as much as possible
1 cup of coarse verm was added to the liquid and allowed to soak up as much as possible excess liquid was squeezed out of the verm and 1/2 pint jars were filled and p.c'ed for 40 mins
once colonized, colonized verm was crushed and cased in coir
from http://www.mycotopia.net/discus/messages/7747/114058.html?1077010707
All those mushrooms came from roughly 4 tsp of material?? I must be misunderstanding this. How??
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Re: The Coffee Project [Re: Jared]
#2345234 - 02/17/04 10:38 AM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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yah, that was one jar which had verm soaked in coffee/corn syrup/dextrose/potatoe flake water and cased in coir the pics make it seem like alot, but it was just an avg. flush, i would diffenitly say a brf/verm cake crushed would probably have yielded more then just soaked verm how?.... i don't really know how but i just pulled 110 wet grams from a jar of colonized nutshells and i would assume they have less nutrients and moisture holding abilities then verm soaked in coffee/corn syrup/dextrose/potatoe flakes, but still worked fine
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Re: The Coffee Project [Re: Jared]
#2346568 - 02/17/04 04:13 PM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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tallest mushrooms were only about 1.5" and on avg they were probably below 1" i never weighed, but i guess one cake only yielded around 40 grams wet
so the pic makes them seem larger than real life
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Re: The Coffee Project [Re: Hippie3]
#2347490 - 02/17/04 08:10 PM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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i was looking into coffee..once brewed and allowed to cool..when its reheated the caffine is gone..so im taking a guess that its not the caffine. but the soluable nutrients in from the brewed grains.. oh yeah how deep was the substrate.. im gonna make the same tea as you did, to PC my corn in, and also to nutrify my coir to mix 1/2 and 1/2 with worm casings as a spawn..well see what happens and ill get some pics when it happens
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once brewed and allowed to cool..when its reheated the caffine is gone..
are you quite certain that's true ? i have my doubts, can you cite proof of that statement ?
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Re: The Coffee Project [Re: Hippie3]
#2349266 - 02/18/04 08:45 AM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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"once brewed and allowed to cool..when its reheated the caffine is gone..so im taking a guess that its not the caffine. "
Nope. The caffeine doesn't go away with reheating. I once spent a year in new orleans, supervising a major re-tooling at the folgers instant coffee plant. I was able to see the process for making instant coffee first hand. The regular coffee is first brewed in 'pots' that would make an 18 wheeler tanker truck look like a tonka toy. After brewing, the coffee is freeze dried. When you rehydrate the coffee, you're reheating it. Anyone who drinks instant coffee can attest, it has plenty of caffeine.
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Don't take the above post to indicate I believe caffeine is the catalyst for these results. I have no idea if it's the caffeine or the nutes (or whatever) in the coffee. All I know for sure is that coffee works.
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Re: The Coffee Project *DELETED* [Re: RogerRabbit]
#2351661 - 02/18/04 06:12 PM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hippie3
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MeetMeInEleusis said: Has anyone tried using coffee as an additive for liquid culture?
not yet, to my knowledge.
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