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Early Schizophrenia Help
    #23450885 - 07/17/16 07:19 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

So basicly, I have pretty much only negative symptoms since 5 months, brain fog and difficulty understanding what I see sometimes .The only 'positive' symptom I got is some voices when I try to sleep. The voices are Familliar voices saying geberish and I fall asleep in this. I know the voices are in my head and not real. It's not that annoying really.

My parents wants me to go see a psychiatrist, so I get treated, they think ill come back like before.

But I'm really not sure it happens like that. Does anti psychotic diminish negative symptoms?

Anyone can help me here? I'm kinda lost in all this shit.

I stopped weed and all drugs since the brain fog started but it didn't make me feel better really.

I'm just fuckin lost right now, :frown: the future scare me, I worked 5 yrs in the family buisness and Was about to become the boss in a year but now, I'm really uncertain of my future capabilities.

So I basically fucked my youth working all the time to arrive at this.

The worst is I can't even take drugs to take the pain away..


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Re: Early Schizophrenia Help [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #23450962 - 07/17/16 07:44 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I hope this video may help you see the bright side of your new condition.

Perhaps seeking out somebody who's gone through the same thing would be wise. I suppose thats kind of what this thread is for though.

Personally I would avoid any institution or psychiatrist/medication if possible. The western approach is garbage in this instance. But that's just my bias


Edited by Psilosopherr (07/17/16 07:46 PM)


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Re: Early Schizophrenia Help [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #23451743 - 07/18/16 02:05 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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rbalzer said:
Personally I would avoid any institution or psychiatrist/medication if possible. The western approach is garbage in this instance. But that's just my bias



I agree. It should be a last port of call if nothing else works IMO.

Good luck Anon #1. Sounds like tough shit but you also sound like you're handling it well.


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Re: Early Schizophrenia Help [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #23453634 - 07/18/16 04:54 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I'm with these two.

I have "had" schizophrenia and pushed through it. It's usually brain toxicity, from conditioning and from early life trauma. It leads to true life.

It's the normal people who are effectively insane, but it's a very stable insanity, usually. More of a "poverty", a spiritual poverty, really.


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Re: Early Schizophrenia Help [Re: beforethedawn] * 1
    #23453890 - 07/18/16 06:33 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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I'm with these two.

I have "had" schizophrenia and pushed through it. It's usually brain toxicity, from conditioning and from early life trauma. It leads to true life.

It's the normal people who are effectively insane, but it's a very stable insanity, usually. More of a "poverty", a spiritual poverty, really.



Great post man. I believe most of conditions that pertain to our 'mental wellness' can be traced back to patterns, either in baseline brain chemistry or behaviours can be traced back to early life trauma. Working in therapy has been very useful in understanding specific events and their effect on my patterns as an adult.

Thankfully, I did not go through as much trauma as some that I know, so I have an easier journey than some, but we're all traumatised IMO. The 'normal' people you mentioned just internalise or split IMO - I don't think anyone is free of it.


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Re: Early Schizophrenia Help [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #23455300 - 07/19/16 08:17 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Agree!


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Re: Early Schizophrenia Help [Re: beforethedawn]
    #23455842 - 07/19/16 11:09 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

This vid touches a deep string in me but still makes me wanna cry. I have nobody to guide me through and nobody will understand around me ,I just want to stop this, is there a way to suppress the negatives symptoms, like stop being ill. Or if you make it through do you still have the negatives symptoms afterward?

I've met a girl recently, and it's going good, been struggling with anxiety most of my life and never knew love, now that I quit weed and being a little lunatic, the anxiety is way less worst, still been pretty hard but I did it, but now I just don't know how much time I can hide this. She thinks I'm just a bit lunatic when I get bad feeling and stuff like that.

I still don't understand tho, how am I gonna become enlighten/insane? Does it happen like a switch that switch off. Because right know I dont have any delusions, a side for thinking something bad may happen when Im lunatic or feel worse, always been pretty down to earth kinda guy not sure what I can bring up really.

I just feel sick all the time, this is awful. There is this part of me that just want to die, but to scared, and the part that want to live but he's too scared. I can't live like that all my life feeling like this. And if this only the beggining then srsly wtf, help


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Re: Early Schizophrenia Help [Re: Anonymous #1] * 1
    #23455968 - 07/19/16 11:52 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

:sad: Wish I knew more guy, the best I can do from there is to recommend you read carl jung. The man is a legendary psychologist who went through psychosis for a number of years. (Pretty sure he came out of it eventually, so good news there.)

He wrote about his personal experiences with psychosis in "The Red Book," which would probably be the most relevant to you, but his other books may help as well. I've only read "Man and his symbols" and "jung on active imagination" but its all about making sense of the "crazy" nonsensical parts of the mind.

Its not just some new age jackass trying to sell books, IMO this guy was pretty much a modern day prophet/shaman with a scientists mind.

Here is a quote from the red book: "The years, of which I have spoken to you, when I pursued the inner images, were the most important time of my life. Everything else is to be derived from this. It began at that time, and the later details hardly matter anymore. My entire life consisted in elaborating what had burst forth from the unconscious and flooded me like an enigmatic stream and threatened to break me. That was the stuff and material for more than only one life. Everything later was mere the outer classification, the scientific elaboration, and the integration into life. But the numinous beginning, which contained everything, was then. - C.G. Jung 1957"


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Re: Early Schizophrenia Help [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #23455982 - 07/19/16 11:56 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Also sounds like you could benefit from reaching out. You really must at least try to find others like yourself. They can answer these big questions that you have and likely greatly ease your fear.


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Re: Early Schizophrenia Help [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #23455988 - 07/19/16 11:57 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Let time pass by so the brain restructures itself and the vision gets better. You need to go into consciousness again and make up your new life mate thats has helped me a lot.
Let the time cure it
Try antipsychotics not much for anxiety relief if it is very hard or some neuroleptical medicine.
Try tavor or lorazepam and to sleep zopiclon.
You are not ill just lost north . In a time youl be again with us

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Re: Early Schizophrenia Help [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #23456625 - 07/19/16 03:53 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

We all experience the same issues in life, some of us just experience it more severely. We all hear voices but when we are more sensitive to the atmosphere it can become overwhelming. The voices are all our own, they are our egos arguing with each other. Schizophrenia and MPD are just labels used to wrap up an event that isnt entirely understood, because the more we understand the closer we come to the truth, and the people in power dont want us to know the truth. the ego is what a demon is, and God truly is the answer. Not an imaginary father-figure in the sky, but the God-mind. Its the connection between all beings that we all desire. And the ego manifests through the 7 sins greed, pride,.lust, gluttony, wrath, sloth, and envy. the God mind is a wavelength frequency that we tap into by getting rid of our ego, and it can only be accomplished through self reliance. when we find God, the voices stop, and there are no more questions to be asked. It doesnt matter if our situation isnt entirely understood, God is the answer to everything. We dont have a personality, it is ego, and we dont hsve emotions, they are all fear-based. even love is just the fear of loss and it coincides with envy. We're all the same person, whats on the surface is just an ego, our human nature is content, emotionless, confident, observant, and fearless. We sre distrscted by the world around us and just put a label on things that we dont understand instead of thinking about what it means. we only talk to exchange information to better understand things and each other, but instead we participate in small talk and further elude ourselves from the truth. If a question isnt important, then it shouldnt be answered, and the only thing that is important is finding God, because without God, we believe that there are many things that are important. With the God mind, there is no anxiety, no depression, will to live, but acceptance of death, self reliance, and no division, we are the universe.


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Re: Early Schizophrenia Help [Re: bigdoodie]
    #23473720 - 07/24/16 09:21 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

dont do any drugs or weed for almost a couple years it should subside


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Re: Early Schizophrenia Help [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #23478091 - 07/26/16 08:57 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Sup OP? There's one potential solution to your problem that you probably haven't tried yet. There's a drug that you can get online called "sarcosine" and works by modulating your glutamate/glutamine receptors. These particular receptors are thought to be implicated in the development of schizophrenia. I only know about this because another member of the boards talked about it this year and said it helped him a lot with his symptoms.

I would definitely give that a try before any last resort options mentioned here.


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Re: Early Schizophrenia Help [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #23478853 - 07/26/16 01:54 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Carl Jung is genious, his work inspired alot of what Dr. Bob and Bill W did with AA the 12 steps. he is credited a few times in the book. The Archetypes and especially the shadow are fascinating and had definately been an influence to Tool.


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Re: Early Schizophrenia Help [Re: QuantumMeltdown]
    #23480945 - 07/27/16 12:39 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Carl Jung is genious, his work inspired alot of what Dr. Bob and Bill W did with AA the 12 steps. he is credited a few times in the book. The Archetypes and especially the shadow are fascinating and had definately been an influence to Tool.



Oh? I would be grateful if you took the time to explain the connection between Jung and AA.


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Re: Early Schizophrenia Help [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #23482499 - 07/27/16 02:25 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

that is not schizophrenia hearing voices when you fall asleep

that is hypergogia/hypnagogia

i told me psychiatrist about that and his mind probably entered the DSM matrix

dont trust them. tell your friends to stay away from them


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Re: Early Schizophrenia Help [Re: Buckthorn]
    #23482559 - 07/27/16 02:50 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

wow, yeah good call Foamy. I skipped over that part hard.

I used to get hallucinations upon waking, hypnopompic. i'd wake up to geometric shapes and all sorts of things. little different from Schiz for sure.


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Re: Early Schizophrenia Help [Re: Buckthorn]
    #23487056 - 07/28/16 07:16 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Hey guys, just want to say that am still here. I keep it up.

Some days it's better some days it's worst.

The hypnagogia seems about right, concerning the voices. It gets weirder right when I'm about to drift off

Seems to be way less worst when I'm tired, or on benzo

Over sleeping really doesn't help me it seems.

It might not be skizofrenia, but still why am I so sick all the time. I thought about DP since all this started with panic attacks. But it's weird nothing triggered it really no event atleast, and I still recognize my voice and stuff like that.

I can't really Not go to the psychiatrist. My parents just want it so bad. They paid so I can see a private one. Maybe I'll just lie and try to get xanax idk.

Also I know this question comming.I wasn't doing any benzo and was barely drinking before all this happened, Yes I tried to not drink and not do any benzo for 2 months it didn't change shit.

Couple question to you foamy, what were your symptoms like before it started, were you hearing voices in the day? How did you went into psychosis? How did it happen?


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Re: Early Schizophrenia Help [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #23487074 - 07/28/16 07:20 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

before you go and use benzos know what they can do to your brain if used too long
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this is what chronic schizophrenia would do if you had it


but it'd eventually subside with age and you'd be aging as fast as everyone else

whatever you do stay away from amph's, extacy laced with meth etc.
that stuff causes schizophrenia


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Re: Early Schizophrenia Help [Re: Konyap]
    #23487149 - 07/28/16 07:40 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Trust me if you push through whatever is making the schizophrenia difficult it will resolve into an intensely fuller life.

Look at early life trauma as a possibility.

No one knows what schizophrenia is, there's about 10 or more types. They could be 10 or more different illnesses.

If you have some hellish brain degenerative disease it's not what I'm talking about.


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Re: Early Schizophrenia Help [Re: beforethedawn]
    #23488166 - 07/29/16 03:29 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I had also signs related to early schizo but i am just taking another path.
It is come due to a hard period of life 4-5 months and the change from teen to man.

It is hard to get older and see everything upon a higher consciousness.
I take things step by step , do kundalini yoga and put every day my effort in it.

It is hard and i want that the symptoms subside entirely at once.

How is it in your case man what are your fears and do you get anxious.

Meds that helped me: Lorazepam , Tavor , Rispedal and Zopiclone to sleep.

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