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Xochipilli
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House too hot. How to keep it cool with no air flow?
#23450450 - 07/17/16 04:32 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Peace. Trying to grow for the first time. Getting ready to sterilize the jars right now. Basically, the only spot in this small house to keep the jars is in the kitchen on the fridge. It's the only room in the house with no moving air but the temp gets up to 94 F in the daytime. In the bedroom closet it's about 90 F and in the bedroom and living room you obviously have to keep the ac units running. Is there a way around this? Can one constantly sterilize the ac units or something to keep them in a different room or what? Btw, this is using the PF Tek with a SGFC. Thanks in advance for any help.
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Re: House too hot. How to keep it cool with no air flow? [Re: Xochipilli]
#23450672 - 07/17/16 05:58 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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The only place you can consider is "sterile" when growing in a house is the still air box, which you should have no HVAC going on when you do SAB work. They'll be fine colonizing and fruiting in a room with dirty air constantly moving from HVAC provided you have good filters. Pf tek dry verm layers are one of these good filters.
SGFC is open holes in open air. It won't ever be sterile, nor should it need to be. Once fully colonized it should have immunity to airborne contaminations. If it contaminates early, it's because the myc was weak and shit the bucket from something like bacteria.
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Xochipilli
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Re: House too hot. How to keep it cool with no air flow? [Re: Mad Season]
#23450758 - 07/17/16 06:43 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Oh! So the ac is fine while they are colonizing, just not during inoculation?
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Re: House too hot. How to keep it cool with no air flow? [Re: Xochipilli] 1
#23450942 - 07/17/16 07:36 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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From what I have read temps > 40C can kill spores. 94f is toasty indoors. If you do get colonisation of the cakes in those high temps you will have problems fruiting because they need even lower temps. Unless you can temp control the grow with a/c and if that's refrigeration then it will have the negative of lowering the humidity. Growing seasonally is best - I'd hold off until the cooler months. Compare hot grown with spindly fruits...

...to cooler grown with a lot more meat. It's not worth fruiting in temps > 26C. Best I have found is 22-24C. The fruiting is slower but they have so much more weight and better colour (grow on millet as BRF is crap).

 
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Re: House too hot. How to keep it cool with no air flow? [Re: Starter]
#23451227 - 07/17/16 09:17 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Tell me about it, it went to 88F last week and most of my trays are fucking toast. Mycelium growth is slowed, bacteria and thermophilic mold growth is promoted and everything gets fucked up the whazzoo. Just saw black pin mold again, haven't seen it since last summer.
Can't wait till summer passes. I used to love summer before I started cultivating
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Xochipilli
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Re: House too hot. How to keep it cool with no air flow? [Re: Starter]
#23451888 - 07/18/16 05:22 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thanks for the input bro. Hard tryna get em indoors in the South. Will try to let em grow near an ac, keep that guy sterilized as often as one can, and hopefully the SGFC will maintain that high humidity. Hopefully contams will stay at a miniumum.
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Re: House too hot. How to keep it cool with no air flow? [Re: Xochipilli]
#23451903 - 07/18/16 05:45 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I don't use an SGFC, but I can tell you that not a moment passes when my spawn or totes aren't being hit by a "non sterile" window AC unit. 95+ outside (bacteria) and humid (filter fail)….no no no…none of that please.
AC FTW.
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Re: House too hot. How to keep it cool with no air flow? [Re: blindingleaf]
#23451944 - 07/18/16 06:34 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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If you can afford the electricity bill that comes with it We are currently trying to get over the 300% surge charge that the government decided to throw on electricity. Basically everyone who owns an AC barely switches it on anymore.
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Re: House too hot. How to keep it cool with no air flow? [Re: Supalemonhaze]
#23451969 - 07/18/16 06:51 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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damn dude….we only get surge pricing with Uber 
I only have it on upstairs, but definitely sucks on the bill, even though I'm not doing the whole house.
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Re: House too hot. How to keep it cool with no air flow? [Re: blindingleaf]
#23452092 - 07/18/16 07:47 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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An AC unit is pretty much a big ass fridge where the room is very poorly insulated. High electricity bills are part of the package, with some places being worse than others. Electricity over here is off the charts. Once people stopped using electric water heaters and bought gas ones, gas also doubled in price. Damn governments, there's literally no one to choose from.
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Re: House too hot. How to keep it cool with no air flow? [Re: Supalemonhaze]
#23452675 - 07/18/16 11:51 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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L2 swampcooler
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Xochipilli
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Re: House too hot. How to keep it cool with no air flow? [Re: Snazz]
#23455378 - 07/19/16 08:52 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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It's rough in the dirty south. Plenty humid but it's so hot. Window units are common, especially in shotgun houses like this one. Outdoor growing is optimal but the pigs here are vicious. I'll post a pic of what the setup is.
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Re: House too hot. How to keep it cool with no air flow? [Re: Xochipilli]
#23455406 - 07/19/16 09:02 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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See, everyone wanna gets high, even pigs. FFS even mites love psychadelic mycelium.
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Xochipilli
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Re: House too hot. How to keep it cool with no air flow? [Re: Supalemonhaze]
#23455571 - 07/19/16 09:54 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Currently.
A tub with cool water in it. A tray holding the jars. Jars covered with porous tape to allow air flow (is this Ok?) And it's all in front of the ac. SWIM sprayed bleach around the outside of the window unit to kill any pre existing molds. Occasionally SWIM will spray the ac with Lysol. Tried to post a picture but i cant but it's in my pictures.
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Re: House too hot. How to keep it cool with no air flow? [Re: Xochipilli]
#23455595 - 07/19/16 10:00 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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First things first, fuck swim. We don't use that around these parts of the interwebs.
If you are using an AC, it will be enough. No need to put jars in tubs of water. Are you growing cakes? MP is fine as a single layer for cakes along with a verm barrier but I would make a double layer for grain jars. Better yet, I would use tyvek for grain jars.
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Xochipilli
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Re: House too hot. How to keep it cool with no air flow? [Re: Supalemonhaze]
#23455666 - 07/19/16 10:17 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
Supalemonhaze said: See, everyone wanna gets high, even pigs. FFS even mites love psychadelic mycelium.
Not those kinds of pigs.
During the day, it still gets up to 85 WITH the ac. Needless to say they never get turned off. Hence the water can alleviate some of that heat.
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Re: House too hot. How to keep it cool with no air flow? [Re: Xochipilli]
#23455885 - 07/19/16 11:20 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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totally missed that. Doh
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Re: House too hot. How to keep it cool with no air flow? [Re: Supalemonhaze]
#23456272 - 07/19/16 01:30 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Micro pore taped jars sitting in a tub of still water exposed to air
I'd get Tyvek sent to me in 1-5 days via post office website and start over if you have more supplies but that's me and my issues with toom temp water exposed to air. I've never used tape tho
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Xochipilli
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Re: House too hot. How to keep it cool with no air flow? [Re: BaronVonBud]
#23456643 - 07/19/16 04:02 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Guys,
Now the jars are kept in a styrofoam cooler of about an inch of water. Lightly iced. Keeping a thermometer taped to the lid of the cooler. Gonna get a analog one to check the water temp. The water gets replace every few hours.
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Re: House too hot. How to keep it cool with no air flow? [Re: Supalemonhaze]
#23456664 - 07/19/16 04:10 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Welcome to my life buddy
Just lost a tub due to heat concerns and it's toasted. I have a feeling my horse manure tub is pretty much toast soon too. I have like 50+ jars stored in the fridge waiting for the temps to lower.
AC will work just fine and won't lower the humidity within the jar thanks to the SFD. I just finished colonising a bunch of jars, slow growers from MS inoculation, with AC and they are fineQuote:
Supalemonhaze said: Electricity over here is off the charts. Once people stopped using electric water heaters and bought gas ones, gas also doubled in price. Damn governments, there's literally no one to choose from.
AHAHAHAHAHAHA Tell me about it, at least you get discounts with the tank present
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Re: House too hot. How to keep it cool with no air flow? [Re: Rosen_Rot]
#23459322 - 07/20/16 11:26 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Just put them in that cooler without water and put it anyplace that's 72-80 the air flow is for when your knocking them up
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Re: House too hot. How to keep it cool with no air flow? [Re: BaronVonBud]
#23459522 - 07/20/16 12:29 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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If you have an AC, that will be more than enough. No use making it harder than it is.
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Xochipilli
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Re: House too hot. How to keep it cool with no air flow? [Re: Supalemonhaze]
#23472723 - 07/24/16 04:02 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Started with 10 jars. Lost 7 to contams. Mostly because of being in denial about contam and failing at isolating and handling the contam. But the 3 jars remaining look beautiful. The styrofoam cooler is working great at keeping the temp the same for hours [kept usually at about 75]. Woulda kept it in front the ac but even sitting in front of the ac in this house still keeps it above 82 F.
Still fighting on. Thanks for the input guys.
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