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10 Scientific Hints Of Possible Higher Beings
    #23449751 - 07/17/16 12:25 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Is another being responsible for our lives or even the entire universe? If you believe in God, you have your answer. However, some mind-boggling studies suggest other possibilities for higher beings who are responsible for our existence.

According to certain studies, the universe should not have survived more than one second. For example, the big bang should have produced equal amounts of matter and antimatter, canceling each other out. Instead, slightly more matter was produced, creating the entire observable universe. We can’t definitively explain this.

In another theory, the universe is in the Higgs field, which gives particles their mass. A large energy field stops our universe from falling into the valley, a deeper field, where the universe couldn’t exist.

However, if the standard model of physics is correct, a rapid expansion of the universe immediately after the big bang should have moved the universe into the valley. This would have destroyed the universe before it was one second old.

The impossibility of life on Earth is also mind-meltingly high. Galaxies couldn’t exist without the right mixture of matter, dark matter, and dark energy. Then Earth had to be the right distance from the Sun. A Jupiter-sized planet also had to attract more asteroids and comets, or Earth’s surface would be too violent to sustain life.

Did life really keep beating these odds, or was the universe helped in some way?




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Re: 10 Scientific Hints Of Possible Higher Beings [Re: musiclover420] * 2
    #23449763 - 07/17/16 12:31 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

God did it :feelswierman:


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Re: 10 Scientific Hints Of Possible Higher Beings [Re: Kush_Zombie]
    #23449769 - 07/17/16 12:34 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Did you read through all 10 "hints"? There are some really interesting theories in there.
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Re: 10 Scientific Hints Of Possible Higher Beings [Re: musiclover420]
    #23449785 - 07/17/16 12:43 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah I did, and it was interesting. Thank you for sharing.

im not religious, I was just kidding in the first reply


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Re: 10 Scientific Hints Of Possible Higher Beings [Re: Kush_Zombie] * 2
    #23449799 - 07/17/16 12:48 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

No, you see, the physicists got it all wrong. They forgot to carry the 3. Doing so accounts for all the extra matter.


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Re: 10 Scientific Hints Of Possible Higher Beings [Re: PatrickKn]
    #23449807 - 07/17/16 12:51 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Yeah I did, and it was interesting. Thank you for sharing.

im not religious, I was just kidding in the first reply




You welcome :thumbup: I figured some people here would find this as interesting as I did.

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No, you see, the physicists got it all wrong. They forgot to carry the 3. Doing so accounts for all the extra matter.




If your being serious that is just 1 of 10 fairly compelling or at least interesting theories/ arguments as to why higher dimensional beings may exist.

The equation about an omnipotent being surely existing in an alternate dimension was the one I found the most interesting.


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Re: 10 Scientific Hints Of Possible Higher Beings [Re: musiclover420] * 2
    #23449821 - 07/17/16 12:56 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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The impossibility of life on Earth is also mind-meltingly high. Galaxies couldn’t exist without the right mixture of matter, dark matter, and dark energy. Then Earth had to be the right distance from the Sun. A Jupiter-sized planet also had to attract more asteroids and comets, or Earth’s surface would be too violent to sustain life.




This isn't a valid justification. The rarity of conditions does not imply anything special, nor is it a paradox that we happen to exist here. The conditions are going to be right somewhere in the galaxy, and where those conditions are right, intelligent life may evolve to be baffled by the existence supposedly fine tuned conditions. They aren't fine tuned, this is just one of the few places that we could have come to exist to even question such things. Talking about the impossibility of it here only sounds paradoxical when you only consider Earth in isolation, but when you consider the rising of an intelligent species anywhere in the galaxy, there's no paradox. Intelligent life simply isn't going to come to exist on sufficiently inhospitable planets, therefore no people are ever going to come to exist in places that don't seem fine tuned.

Saying that it's this way because of a higher power or consciously tuned conditions is akin to someone who won the lottery thinking that their winning was ordained by a higher power, or that they have legitimate prescience. Someone had to win, Earth happened to be the planet to win, and thus we happened to evolve here. Nothing mystical or predetermined involved, just the law of large numbers and confluence of various low likelihood conditions across a universe with trillions of trillions of stars.

If we evolved to be a species that was 100% at peace with one another who could live in harmony with our environment, there might be a little more credence to a guiding hand. As it stands, however, if a deity shaped these conditions, then they don't have the wisdom, omnipresence, or foresight to be worthy of worshiping if they couldn't figure out how to make people that didn't murder or enslave each other on a regular basis. Attributing that to "free will" is a cop out considering most of the violence and sociopathic drive in us has a significant biological component.

We're here by the forces of mathematical chance and the beauty of evolutionary biology.


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Re: 10 Scientific Hints Of Possible Higher Beings [Re: PatrickKn]
    #23449825 - 07/17/16 12:56 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I don't know, I have a feeling the (hostile)universe may be too complex for our feeble little minds to understand



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Re: 10 Scientific Hints Of Possible Higher Beings [Re: musiclover420]
    #23449828 - 07/17/16 12:57 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

We don't know how many times existence attempted to existed to get things to exist.  People sorta assume that the Universe formed and it was the first to exist.  People also tinker around with the idea that there are other Universes.

I tend to think that it's like playing the lotto.  Play the same format long enough and your going to hit it strait.


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Re: 10 Scientific Hints Of Possible Higher Beings [Re: Xingu]
    #23449832 - 07/17/16 12:59 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Xingu said:
We're here by the forces of mathematical chance and the beauty of evolutionary biology.




How was math created? What did the first thing created evolve from?


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Re: 10 Scientific Hints Of Possible Higher Beings [Re: Xingu] * 1
    #23449860 - 07/17/16 01:10 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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If your being serious that is just 1 of 10 fairly compelling or at least interesting theories/ arguments as to why higher dimensional beings may exist.

The equation about an omnipotent being surely existing in an alternate dimension was the one I found the most interesting.



I've read some of these theories before, but they don't convince me of a higher power opposed to random happenstance. They all boil down to one of two arguments:

1. The Universe is infinitely complex, and must therefore be the product of a higher being.
2. The Universe is intrinsically simple, and must therefore be the product of a higher being.

Both arguments are invalid in the "evidence" of a higher being, they don't prove or hint at a higher being in and of themselves, because the counter arguments can be made that:

1. The Universe is infinitely complex, and must therefore be the product of random chance.
2. The Universe is intrinsically simple, and must therefore be the product of random chance.

That's not to say I don't believe in higher beings involved in the creation of our universe however. I do believe this is a simulation within a higher dimension. That may involve higher beings working out the coding to our own universe, however it could also be that we are a simulation that arrived out of random code within the higher dimension as well. We may be one simulation of many running on a program that has a few lines of code, and randomizes a lot else. This may be intricately planned, or it may be a happy result. There may be something studying our universe from the outside, or we may be lost in a sea of random math equations produced for the hell of it.

The processes by which this universe was created, and the laws of physics input, may not have been the result of a conscious entity overseeing the groundwork at all. The ability to create complexity is not completely reliant on an omnipotent being that is conscious of it's decisions. It may be just as well that complex, stable universes can be the result of chance happenings as well.


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Re: 10 Scientific Hints Of Possible Higher Beings [Re: Kush_Zombie]
    #23449872 - 07/17/16 01:15 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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God did it :feelswierman:



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Re: 10 Scientific Hints Of Possible Higher Beings [Re: MommaSmurf]
    #23449953 - 07/17/16 01:45 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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This isn't a valid justification.




Justification to what? There is a reason these are just "theories".

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If we evolved to be a species that was 100% at peace with one another who could live in harmony with our environment, there might be a little more credence to a guiding hand.




I really hate seeing this argument as an "anti god" trump card of sorts. Maybe humans are supposed to get our shit together ourselves.

What would be the fun if an omnipotent all knowing being did everything for us?

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They all boil down to one of two arguments:

1. The Universe is infinitely complex, and must therefore be the product of a higher being.
2. The Universe is intrinsically simple, and must therefore be the product of a higher being.




That is a gross oversimplification... What are your thoughts on the "life seed" then? Or the 97% of "junk dna" possibly being a code/ message from our creator?

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Both arguments are invalid in the "evidence" of a higher being, they don't prove or hint at a higher being in and of themselves, because the counter arguments can be made that:

1. The Universe is infinitely complex, and must therefore be the product of random chance.
2. The Universe is intrinsically simple, and must therefore be the product of random chance.




Even if that were the case who is to say that "random chance" wasn't actually pre ordaained by the creators of our "simulation" or universe...


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Re: 10 Scientific Hints Of Possible Higher Beings [Re: musiclover420]
    #23450226 - 07/17/16 03:12 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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That is a gross oversimplification...



But it's not in the grand scheme of things, not really. That is the core of the arguments. Whether it's someone advocating that the Universe is run on a binary code (intrinsically simple), or that the chances of existence as such are so incredibly low that a superior power must be involved (infinitely complex), the core argument is the same. "It's this way, therefore diety". The logic experiment you mentioned does exactly this as well, and assumes an infinite amount of universes with an infinite amount of possibility.

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Even if that were the case who is to say that "random chance" wasn't actually pre ordaained by the creators of our "simulation" or universe...



I ask that question myself, and actually believe that it was. We are discussing hints and evidence though? I'm arguing that these hints towards a higher being don't actually properly account for an existence of a higher being, because they can argued against using the same counter logic.

On the life seed stuff, I whole heatedly believe that life originated somewhere outside earth, and made it's way here. I was mostly arguing universal creation, and these are two entirely different subjects.

The titanium balls are an interesting idea. I've made posts on here with a theory that a planet with intelligent life, if they had the ability of biological engineering (as we do) and rocket propulsion (as we do), they would be able to create genetically engineered bacterial or fungal organisms with a long spore states, and slow growth periods with a micro amount of food/water source. Just enough to get a few individual spores/cells to a host planet. If we launched balls loaded with spores, we could make it so once outside of the solar system, the carrier would explode the spores in all spherical directions. If done right, we could potentially instigate life onto another planet within the surrounding solar systems. If we sent 5, 10, 100 of these spore loaded rockets a year, for a couple thousand years, improving the manipulated genetics with each decade, we'd increase our chances of landing some on a host planet quite a bit.

Then millions of years later, when some of those planets are hosting our life forms, we could begin phase two and start sending viral codes to instigate multi cellular evolution on those planets quicker than they might to natural causes. We would just need a solid understanding of how to send and use viral components suited to our genetically engineered bacteria, and inject them with existing DNA to bridge the gap.

Well within the realm of possibility. I suspect that's how we got here, and I wouldn't be surprised if there are still viral components being sent to our own planet from similarly advanced civilizations. They may not even know we exist, but send them anyway to instigate the spread of life. This is all just an out there theory though.


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Re: 10 Scientific Hints Of Possible Higher Beings [Re: PatrickKn]
    #23450248 - 07/17/16 03:17 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

i guarantee you there are higher beings than us.  i mean we only get so high man, there have got to be higher ones out there.  think about it.


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Re: 10 Scientific Hints Of Possible Higher Beings [Re: bass head] * 1
    #23450276 - 07/17/16 03:28 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

If there are infinite possible universes, it's natural that life would only come to exist in those universes which are capable of supporting life, no matter how "improbable" their specific configuration might be.


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Re: 10 Scientific Hints Of Possible Higher Beings [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #23450323 - 07/17/16 03:47 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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I've made posts on here with a theory that a planet with intelligent life, if they had the ability of biological engineering (as we do) and rocket propulsion (as we do), they would be able to create genetically engineered bacterial or fungal organisms




Pretty sure I made a thread where I hypothesized something very similiar if not identical awhile back :lol: certainly seems probable from a logical angle.


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Re: 10 Scientific Hints Of Possible Higher Beings [Re: musiclover420]
    #23450512 - 07/17/16 05:02 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Yes. I think it is highly likely there is highly, highly intelligent beings, capable of interacting with our "universe" and "dimension", along with theirs and many others.
I am sure we all have had psychedelic experiences where we had encounters with highly sophisticated, intelligent Other beings and we feel and experience things we cannot really explain. I've also had a series of dreams involving Other beings.

Complete hallucinations and figments of humans imagination? Who knows. We'll find out when we die which makes it so interesting :awegrow:


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Re: 10 Scientific Hints Of Possible Higher Beings [Re: bass head] * 1
    #23451249 - 07/17/16 09:24 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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i guarantee you there are higher beings than us.  i mean we only get so high man, there have gotten be higher ones out there.  think about it.





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Re: 10 Scientific Hints Of Possible Higher Beings [Re: PatrickKn]
    #23452938 - 07/18/16 01:28 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Hey PatrickKn you got me hooked on that idea.. The viral components you talk about, what if they were in fact what we call psychedelics, and that's why those substances affect us the way they do, and we have these insane visions but we can't really make something out of them because we live in a system that demonizes psychedelics :shrug:


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