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Re: Are there any UFC fans in the pub? [Re: rackem]
    #23456786 - 07/19/16 04:45 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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if you said that about boxing, i would agree..




I respectfully disagree with this as well.

Some boxers are defensive minded. Some aren't. Some are all offense, face first brawlers who throw the concept of defense out the window. Some are extremely athletic and use the entire ring to their advantage. Some don't or can't. Some are slow, plodding bombers with lots of power who just look for the one punch knockout. Some have very little power who just try to stay busy with their punches so they can get a decision on the scorecards. Some like to fight from long range and are really uncomfortable when their opponents get in close. Some like it close and prefer to trade bombs in a virtual phone booth. Some beat you with experience, some beat you with pure raw talent. Some have a really good jab game, some barely throw jabs. Some like to hold a lot and make it an ugly fight. Some don't. Some can put together mesmerizing punch combinations, while others can only put 1 or 2 shots together at a time.

There are many, many, many different boxing styles.


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Re: Are there any UFC fans in the pub? [Re: Niffla] * 1
    #23456843 - 07/19/16 05:05 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

you forgot to add some like to bite your ear off :awedance:

on a serious note, i cant argue that.


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Re: Are there any UFC fans in the pub? [Re: rackem]
    #23456851 - 07/19/16 05:07 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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you forgot to add some like to bite your ear off :awedance:




:rofl:



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Re: Are there any UFC fans in the pub? [Re: Niffla]
    #23456864 - 07/19/16 05:12 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

i remember watching that fight.. i think everybody that was watching it had a unified :wtfsonic: moment.


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Re: Are there any UFC fans in the pub? [Re: rackem]
    #23456871 - 07/19/16 05:14 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Look at Tyson's reaction after Holyfield broke away...he was like, "wtf, how did a piece of your stupid ass ear end up in my mouth" :rofl:


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Re: Are there any UFC fans in the pub? [Re: Niffla]
    #23456884 - 07/19/16 05:20 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

tyring to play it all cool, when it shows he did that with intent.

i forget if tyson got any punishment though..


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Re: Are there any UFC fans in the pub? [Re: Niffla]
    #23456891 - 07/19/16 05:22 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

That was the first boxing match I had ever seen in my life, I had to be 6 or 7 years old at the time. I had assumed all boxing matches were like that for the longest time afterwards.


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Re: Are there any UFC fans in the pub? [Re: rackem]
    #23456899 - 07/19/16 05:24 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

He was disqualified from the fight and they took away his boxing license. It was later reinstated, though.


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Re: Are there any UFC fans in the pub? [Re: PatrickKn]
    #23456903 - 07/19/16 05:24 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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I had assumed all boxing matches were like that for the longest time afterwards.




lmao that's awesome


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Re: Are there any UFC fans in the pub? [Re: Niffla]
    #23456930 - 07/19/16 05:31 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

that was definitley the start of the downfall of tyson.

he surely went off his rocker after that.


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Re: Are there any UFC fans in the pub? [Re: rackem]
    #23456934 - 07/19/16 05:33 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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that was definitley the start of the downfall of tyson.

he surely went off his rocker after that.




Yup.


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Re: Are there any UFC fans in the pub? [Re: rackem]
    #23457170 - 07/19/16 06:39 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Eh, at this point UFC athletes all fight the same.

Its a mixed martial art, in the singular form. As much as I respect their strength as fighters, its not a martial art which I find entertaining or care to watch..




:thefuck:

bub, it doesnt sound like you gave it an honest go. if you said that about boxing, i would agree.. you can def see the difference between the individual fighters skill sets.

but hey man to each their own.




Again I hold to my statement, there are differences between fighters, but they're the same differences one sees between different fighters of the same martial art. UFC style MMA is very specific.


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Re: Are there any UFC fans in the pub? [Re: Repertoire89]
    #23462503 - 07/21/16 12:04 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

When you say that it shows that either you have watched very few UFC fights, have very little understanding of martial arts, or both.

There is not a single educated UFC fan who would agree with what you are saying.

In UFC you have Olympic wrestlers competing against kick boxing champions , jujitsu masters and karate masters, SAMBO champions fighting against Muay Thai champions and Olympic Judo experts.

You have fighters like SAMBO champion Khabib Nurgomedov who relies almost exclusively on his world class wrestling and Grappling, and you have Lyoto Machida who relies exclusively on his mastery of Karate.

Khabib uses entirely grappling, Machida uses exclusively his unique karate striking style. Neither fighter is even remotely capable of emulating the other fights style . They come to the cage with drastically different skill sets, backgrounds and strategies and they fight totally differently.

Rhonda Rousey- Olympic Judoka. Relies heavily on explosive Judo throws.

Holly Holm- kickboxing champion. Demolishes Ronda by relying on her striking which eclipses Rondha's, while making sure to avoid the take down or going you e ground where she knows Ronda would have a massive advantage .

Daniel Cormier - Olympic wrestler: relies heavily on his wrestling skills.

Carlos Condit- highly technical elite striker who relies of precision accuracy and lightning speed kicks and punche .

Nick and Nate Diaz- rely very heavily on their totally unique style of MMA boxing and have great jujitsu if it goes to the ground.

Connor Mcgregor - utilizes a unique mix of karate, boxing and capoeira but has a disadvantage on the ground due to a lack of jujitsu or wrestling back ground.

Mark Hunt- world class kick boxer relying on super powder knock out punches. Very little grappling or wrestling , no jujitsu background. Emphasizes striking and tries to avoid going to the ground.

Febricio Werdum- master of Jujitsu and submission fighting. Deadly on the ground .

Alistair overeem- kickboxing champion who relies on masterful and powerful kicks, and avoids going to the ground.

All these fighters have totally unique backgrounds and skill sets. The idea that an Olympic wrestler would even try to fight the same As a kickboxing world champion is ridiculous, and the idea that he would be able to even if he tried is impossible.

Everyone in MMA has a unique background, skill set and strategy and fighters do not even try to fight the same way, each is keenly aware of where he has an advantage and fights accordingly , relying on different styles of striking and grappling.

Even among striking heavy fighters there are huge differences between boxing styles (Diaz) karate styles (Machida) and kickboxing / Muay Thai styles (Hunt, Holm) just As even Among grapplers an informed viewer will see massive differences between those who rely on wrestling (Cormier, Cehudo), Judo (Rousey, Lombard) , Jujitsu (Werdum, Aldo) or Sambo (Khabib)

You have strikers who emphasize power and knockouts and strikers who emphasize volume and aim to win by decision.

You have strikers who favour leg kicks (Aldo) and those who rely almost entirely on punches (Roy Nelson)

You have ligntning  fast fighters who use agility and constant movement to avoid being hit (Cruz, Thompson) and those who stand in the pocket and Bang (Nelson, Hunt)

I'm sorry, but you aren't just mistaken but what you are saying is actually absurd to anyone who actually follows and understands the sport.

To imagine that an Olympic wrestler would be even remotely capable of fighting in the same style As a world champion kick boxer, let alone would try to, is literally insane .

And all you need to do is watch a few fights to see how wrong what you Are saying is.

Go watch a few Carlos Condit fights and then a few daniel Cormier fights and tell me they are even remotely similar styles.

Go watch  few Anderson silva fights and then a few Roy Nelson fights and tell me they are even vaguely similar styles .

Go watch mark hunt fight and then watch a few Lyoto machida fights .

I could go on and on. How would it even be possible for an Olympic wrestler to fight the same As a karate point fighting champion?

It isn't. They don't.

Each fighter is unique, they use and rely on very diverse styles, and every fight involves a unique match up between unique athletes with unique backgrounds and Skills.

If you like I can recommend any number of fights to watch to see for yourself.


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Re: Are there any UFC fans in the pub? [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23462598 - 07/21/16 12:55 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I hate ufc so much lol. Nothing appealing about watching borderline gay porn.

The dudes always end up 69ing eachother for 10 minutes in every fight.


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Re: Are there any UFC fans in the pub? [Re: Repertoire89]
    #23462989 - 07/21/16 03:36 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

It is true that as UFC evolves it is less and less feasible to try and be competitive without having competency in all aspects of fighting.

Anyone who wants to be a champion is going to try and strengthen there weak points and fill any gaps in their game . That does not in any way mean that fighter don't have very unique and different styles and skills.

Everyone needs to be able to strike and grapple, but there are a huge variety of styles of both striking and grappling, and people emphasize different aspects Of the fight game in there strategies .

Someone from a wrestling background is always going to try and brush up in his
Striking and vice versa, but a wrestler isn't going to stand and trade kicks with a kick boxer and a kick boxer isn't going to try and take a jujitsu master and choke him out.


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Re: Are there any UFC fans in the pub? [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23463028 - 07/21/16 03:51 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I enjoy the art of combat. Wrestled 8 years boxed for 6. Buts it's something I just don't care much about. As when I see 2 grown adults fighting it's childish. I loved wrestling though. It's the art of control.

Im not very big I'm 5'10" 135. A friend tried to wrestle me and way stronger. But I knew I was smaller so I went and asked my coach can you teach me the art of deflection. I throw around 200+lb people and it's not even me doing it. I'm fairly strong but not really.


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Re: Are there any UFC fans in the pub? [Re: Enjoywho]
    #23463046 - 07/21/16 03:58 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I just throw people around. Always love that feeling but I don't fight anymore. That was high school my body doesn't heal as fast. But I do enjoy watching someone get knocked the fuck out. Oh shit nigga what area code you in!


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