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Will7401
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Dunking Monos Between Flushes
#23449495 - 07/17/16 10:41 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hey everyone, I have something I want to run by you and get some feedback on. I have been researching the process of dunking monos between flushes and have found quite a bit of information on it so far. I found several different methods, all of which seem very practical. But I was thinking about trying something and I want to know what you think about it. If it has been done already, I couldn't find it on here. So, I notice when I remove the substrate from the mono for harvesting, there is a small amount of water in the bottom of the tub. I have been leaving it in there because I haven't been told otherwise and haven't seen any information on it on here. I was meditating on the dunking procedure I would use and got to thinking, if it already has water in the bottom from the condensation running down the sides and under the liner, would poking holes in the liner itself prior to spawning allow the substrate to continuously hydrate itself as it needed it rather than allowing it to dry out and need to dunk? It's not like it's a great deal of water in the tub but it seems like it would be enough to keep things hydrated and eliminate the need for dunking all together. Maybe a good misting on the surface between flushes and from the bottom, hydration through the holes in the liner? IDK, it seems practical but I am nowhere near experienced with mycology yet as most of you. Feedback is certainly welcome. Thank you in advance.
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impatientguy
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Re: Dunking Monos Between Flushes [Re: Will7401]
#23449655 - 07/17/16 11:38 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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It probably wouldn't have a very big effect but I don't think it'll hurt anything either.
You remove your substrate from the tub when you harvest?
I'd just pour in enough water so that the sub is floating a little or until there's like 2 inches of water over the bulk.
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Kush_Zombie
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Re: Dunking Monos Between Flushes [Re: impatientguy]
#23449680 - 07/17/16 11:57 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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impatientguy said: I'd just pour in enough water so that the sub is floating a little or until there's like 2 inches of water over the bulk.
Really? I always thought you were supposed to just mist it if it needed water. I can't remember why but I thought there was a reason we weren't supposed to pour the water in.
you just drip it into a corner until it fills up the monotub and let it absorb back into the substrate? or did I misunderstand that?
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impatientguy
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Re: Dunking Monos Between Flushes [Re: Kush_Zombie]
#23449717 - 07/17/16 12:14 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Lots of people hydrate their monos that way. It it isn't very dry heavy misting works fine.
Otherwise I've seen most trusted growers recommend dunking your sub for a couple hours and draining off the excess.
I'll try to find a link quick.
Here's one I found: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18096891
Edited by impatientguy (07/17/16 12:18 PM)
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Kush_Zombie
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Re: Dunking Monos Between Flushes [Re: impatientguy]
#23449721 - 07/17/16 12:16 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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impatientguy said: Lots of people hydrate their monos that way. It it isn't very dry heavy misting works fine.
Otherwise I've seen most trusted growers recommend dunking your sub for a couple hours and draining off the excess.
I'll try to find a link quick.
I believe you, I think I remember reading that somewhere. I can't remember why exactly I settled on the idea of misting only.
I might have to try that on these smaller tubs I have going on when they're done.
-------------------- How to get started in bulk: Presto 23-Quart Pressure Cooker BOD's Simple as FUCK Still Air Box PastyWhyte's Easy Agar Tek Munchauzen's Cultivation Video Series How EvilMushroom666 Prepares His Grains (I use jars with Synthetic Filter Discs) What is G2G? (Grain-to-Grain) Damion5050's Coir Tek (I use 5.5 - 6 quarts of water instead of 4. Also ignore step 13 and ignore the monotub completely. The only purpose of this tek is to show you how to make a simple substrate. I also add gypsum to it but not necessary) Spitball's Monotub Tek (A liner isn't necessary but is useful) Use 6500k lights throughout the whole process. When you wake up, turn the light on. When you go to sleep turn the light off. It's as simple as that.
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Pastywhyte
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Re: Dunking Monos Between Flushes [Re: impatientguy] 1
#23449732 - 07/17/16 12:18 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Unless you had a massive flush of 9-12 oz dry, there should still be plenty of water left for another flush. If you did have a massive flush of 9-12 oz dry, the colony is nearly exhausted and probably ripe for mold to move in. I rarely dunk bulk unless I only pull around 7-8 oz dry and the tub feels light. Usually I just give it a good misting.
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impatientguy
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Re: Dunking Monos Between Flushes [Re: Pastywhyte]
#23449735 - 07/17/16 12:19 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Pasty has spoken haha
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Kush_Zombie
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Re: Dunking Monos Between Flushes [Re: Pastywhyte]
#23449744 - 07/17/16 12:22 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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-------------------- How to get started in bulk: Presto 23-Quart Pressure Cooker BOD's Simple as FUCK Still Air Box PastyWhyte's Easy Agar Tek Munchauzen's Cultivation Video Series How EvilMushroom666 Prepares His Grains (I use jars with Synthetic Filter Discs) What is G2G? (Grain-to-Grain) Damion5050's Coir Tek (I use 5.5 - 6 quarts of water instead of 4. Also ignore step 13 and ignore the monotub completely. The only purpose of this tek is to show you how to make a simple substrate. I also add gypsum to it but not necessary) Spitball's Monotub Tek (A liner isn't necessary but is useful) Use 6500k lights throughout the whole process. When you wake up, turn the light on. When you go to sleep turn the light off. It's as simple as that.
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Will7401
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Re: Dunking Monos Between Flushes [Re: impatientguy]
#23449858 - 07/17/16 01:10 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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impatientguy said: Pasty has spoken haha
No shit. I ever there was a TC I value the experience of, it's him. I know getting the field capacity is about as important as it gets and I have that down very good. But yeah, after that there is quite a few different ways of going about hydration after flushes and basically it seems to be personal preference but I also see a great deal of pragmatism in what Pasty said. It's definitely a learning process by trial and error, that's no shit. And fun as hell too. I've found on here where over-hydration can really mess things up and not enough can cause problems as well. That's why I was thinking about just poking like three rows of holes, say 4-5 in each row, lengthwise along the bottom of the liner prior to spawning. That way when the condensation pools underneath the liner it can be reabsorbed from the bottom of the substrate and avoid the contamination vector created by too much water on the top. Then maybe just a light misting when the surface appears dry. I value your insight Pasty because after researching last night, I went in there this morning to take a look at things and yeah, the substrate still seemed to be rather moist, especially considering what all I have harvested so far. I apologize for not having an amount for you all yet but I don't have any scales at this time. That will change in the next couple of days though. As far as removing the substrate for harvesting, yes I do. I tried harvesting without doing it and it's just not possible without damaging the newer ones below the ones ready to harvest. Plus, leaning over the tub and reaching down in makes my back cramp up after too long. Now I'm talking about harvesting a FLUSH, not 10-12 big fruits with plenty of open space around them. It is much easier to slide my fingers in between the liner and the wall of the tub on one end and scoop my hand under it as far as I can, about 3/4 of the length of the substrate and just lift it out and carefully place it on my desk and sit in front of it to harvest. That way I can easily turn it to get down in between stems and cut at the base with my snips, all while sitting down. Now, if this is a mycological no-no, somebody tell me so but so far it has worked out very well for me. Here is a pic of the type of flush I mean.
On the other hand, here is one that I didn't have to do that with.
And here's one for you Pasty. Look familiar? Thanks bro. Will likes minis too. They're fun and a lot cheaper to experiment with. Have an amazing week everybody.
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Re: Dunking Monos Between Flushes [Re: Will7401]
#25700828 - 12/24/18 06:12 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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Hey man I'm a total newb and just have a question after seeing your reply. I started like most with simple BRF cakes in 8oz jars. Great success with that I decided to move up first with little cake pans then with bigger blocks and then to my first mono tub which just ended in disaster green mold spots all over the top of my almost fully colonized tub. Either way back to my question....I decided to stick with smaller blocks in fruiting chambers for now however I was expecting to get results like all the pictures I see where the substrate is just covered in fruits like your first example of one you DID have to re hydrate. That was not the case with my first few (Ecuador and one that was suppose to be APE that ISNT and dosent look like any cube I have cultivated to date) again getting off track the biggest yield on blocks so far hasn't got a dry weight yet but is about 40 average size fruits which only consumed MAYBE 15 percent of the actual substrate. Why is that? What could I be doing wrong to not allow the blocks to be covered in fruits? Is it the substrate I use? (Horse manure, straw, coco coir, gypsum, coffee grounds) could it be the temperatures? Humidity is 99 percent so don't think it's that. I mist averaging and fan aggressively 3 times a day. So what factors could be at play between something like your first example picture and the second. What is at play?? Sorry for the drawn out question just wanted to make sure I got as much info in as I could....much love!!
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