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Dosing 50 times in a year... my experience in hindsight * 2
    #23447758 - 07/16/16 08:05 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I have taken fairly large doses of mushrooms, LSD, and 4-aco-DMT, often in various combinations with each other, at least 45 times in the last year and I have to say, I don't think it's brought me any closer to "waking up", being my "true self", "getting wiser", or anything like that. I've tripped a few hundred times in my life total. The only noticeable difference between one year ago and now is that I seem to feel more depressed than I used to, and I now see tracers all the time, and colors are a brighter. I can't say that the depression is necessarily connected with taking psychedelics, though the other two almost certainly are, because there are a lot of other variables- for example, I started using some nootropic supplements, which have caused anecdotal reports of depression after long-term use. I do know, however, that every time I trip, I feel "burned out" for the next 2 days- emotionally and mentally "hung over". My reaction time is slower, I feel like I am sort of in a daze.

To me they have just become drugs now that make me feel good and have fun and talk a lot. In hindsight, I wouldn't recommend dosing this often to anyone else. I have been reducing the frequency of my doses for the past month, exercising more, and I'm starting to feel better. Sorry if this isn't what you want to hear, but it's just me telling you the truth. I have become a better person overall, but I think that's mostly because I quit using the drugs that were really ruining my life, like weed, alcohol, and pills, and started making better decisions like eating healthy, going to the gym, and not being selfish all the time. I can't really say that I honestly believe that dosing psychedelics frequently has made it easier to make these decisions, though. Maybe they have.

I think psychedelics have a lot of potential to help people who need to see that change is possible. I think that once a person sees that change is possible, continuing to use psychedelics doesn't seem to help them make those changes very much. I don't think that using them often in large doses is a good idea. Doing so just seems to screw up serotonin and dopamine pathways.

Best wishes in each of your own personal journeys.


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Re: Dosing 50 times in a year... my experience in hindsight [Re: morrowasted]
    #23448104 - 07/16/16 10:21 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Have you tried Ayahuasca? So far it's been doing the trick for me. Don't feel depressed at all, haven't been depressed much since working with this stuff since 2012, and if i do find myself slipping into negative thinking patterns and such, another experience and i seem to be back on my feet again. This stuff is different compared to other Psychedelics, especially because of the Harmala influence, and DMT ime seems different compared to other Psychedelics when i've taken it orally with Harmalas or Moclobemide.

There's definitely something to it, it's some of the best medicine i've ever come across. It's not perfect, but it's a damn good medicine. Also, no hangover or burnout, really nice afterglow, and i feel great the next day.

Also if you're feeling burnout, perhaps try giving some Celastrus seed, or Lemon Balm, or some other Acetylcholinesterase inhibitor a try, ime i find it helps wonderfully for burnout, especially the Celastrus.

You can also try taking Peganum Harmala (Rue) seed on it's own for a bit and see how you feel from it. At first, it'll cause some nausea/vomiting and will have a rough body load, but if it's taken daily or near daily for about a week or two, the nausea/vomiting and rough body load will go away as a reverse tolerance builds up and the undesirable side-effects are reduced. You can also try taking a few drops (like 5 or 6) of Lemon EO during the first 1 to 2 weeks of taking the Rue, and it'll block out the nausea/vomiting and rough body load, and then once the reverse tolerance is built up, you'd no longer need the Lemon EO as the Rue would feel cleaner all on it's own, ime. I've been taking good strong dosages of Rue daily for 2 and half almost 3 months now, so far so good, and i can handle strong dosages quite well now.


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Re: Dosing 50 times in a year... my experience in hindsight [Re: Sabnock]
    #23448151 - 07/16/16 10:39 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

moderation is the key, as is with everything


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Re: Dosing 50 times in a year... my experience in hindsight [Re: joshxjosh]
    #23448761 - 07/17/16 04:06 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I find LSD seems to be good for jump-starting into a path of love, acceptance, motivation and awe for life, which continues for a while after dosing.
It's staying in this frame of mind which is the hard part.

Up until the last month or so I'd been dosing more frequently than 50 times in a year though :wink: and the effect seems to be very trip dependent, no guarantees..


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Re: Dosing 50 times in a year... my experience in hindsight [Re: Sabnock]
    #23448770 - 07/17/16 04:19 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

You said taking Celastrus and other herbals for burn-out.
Where do i get these?
How can you feel them , could you explain a little more about it please.

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Re: Dosing 50 times in a year... my experience in hindsight [Re: Trippedytrip]
    #23449668 - 07/17/16 11:44 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Most of us go through a phase where we trip every chance we get. I went for a couple years of 40-50 trips. Basically every weekend. It was fun but you can't keep it up indefinitely. It gets old and at some point your inner voice tells you to cool it.

Tripping a lot is like having too much sex. You get to a point where it gets routine and you start to get bored with it.


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Re: Dosing 50 times in a year... my experience in hindsight [Re: Trippedytrip]
    #23449725 - 07/17/16 12:17 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Trippedytrip said:
You said taking Celastrus and other herbals for burn-out.
Where do i get these?
How can you feel them , could you explain a little more about it please.

Thanks

PeaceTrippy





Well i'm a daily Cannabis smoker, and i've felt quite the burn out before, and ime when i gave Celastrus seed a try for a few days, i noticed the burn out feeling went away, even while on Cannabis. Apparently it's the Acetylcholinesterase inhibition that's helping if i'm not mistaken. But yeah you can find them on Ebay and some ethnobotanical vendors.


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Re: Dosing 50 times in a year... my experience in hindsight [Re: Universe]
    #23451322 - 07/17/16 09:52 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Most of us go through a phase where we trip every chance we get. I went for a couple years of 40-50 trips. Basically every weekend. It was fun but you can't keep it up indefinitely. It gets old and at some point your inner voice tells you to cool it.

Tripping a lot is like having too much sex. You get to a point where it gets routine and you start to get bored with it.



Yeah I look forward to putting the breaks on this routine and revisiting the psychedelic plane in years to come :thumbup::heart:


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Re: Dosing 50 times in a year... my experience in hindsight [Re: morrowasted]
    #23451972 - 07/18/16 06:55 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

50 times a year is like once a week. It's excessive.

I think LSD is more of a "fun" one but shrooms for me offer real medicinal value. They woop my arse so hard I have no desire to do them once a week not even close. I haven't had a good shroom trip in some time actually and now feel ready.

Shrooms have really helped my anxiety, depression and general outlook on life.

I feel a lot different about life and am nowhere near as depressed. I took the shrooms 39 days ago and now feel ready for a revisit.


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Re: Dosing 50 times in a year... my experience in hindsight [Re: YeOlde]
    #23451990 - 07/18/16 07:08 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

hmm....

... you should make longer "breaks"/pause between your trips. 50 trips/year means nearly every weekend...

one week is way too less time, to get a benefit from the insights and feelings you gather during your journey/trip.


in my personal experience it needs about three or four weeks until you fully understand what you learned... maybe "understand" is the wrong word - better would be "to live"...

after one week you have the understanding, but you cant "live" it... dont know how to explain... bad english here.. :wink:


if you trip every weekend, you just "reseting" this "timespan" again... not only that you have to start again with the "3 or 4 weeks"... no, you also "distort" the gathered old insights from the trips before...


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Re: Dosing 50 times in a year... my experience in hindsight [Re: morrowasted]
    #23452027 - 07/18/16 07:33 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

being in the same boat, but more frequently back in the day, including n,n-dmt sometimes 5-10x per day, i realized i was exploring another side of escapism.  the point of analyzing/changing conditioning and working through other emotional issues had been reached and passed.  i tried to keep my mind out of the standard reality, not wanting to progress, not wanting to deal with "real-world" issues

that being said, besides a small, small taste of some 2 year old dimethyl-  7 years ago, i haven't had any psychedelic-drug-induced-experiences in ~8 years.

i don't think my body, specifically my heart, would be able to handle the effects of mushrooms, lsd, salvia, or dmt.


while i'm with you that i wouldn't recommend anyone do psyches to the degree i did, i also wouldn't discourage it if they were of relatively sound mind and body.  that being said, some people certainly shouldn't and some shouldn't ever


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Re: Dosing 50 times in a year... my experience in hindsight [Re: morrowasted]
    #23452354 - 07/18/16 09:47 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

What is everyone's recommended amount of time between trips? for a few years I was around once or twice a year and it was very special. I've recently got back into it and have been taking 2 or 3 week breaks. I'm not sure if it's too much but I feel pretty fine.


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Re: Dosing 50 times in a year... my experience in hindsight [Re: poponon]
    #23452433 - 07/18/16 10:28 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

He's not talking about how special it is.. there comes a point where you've been sober enough after the fact to realize what is and isn't bullshit, which is pretty 80-20 tbh. It's maturity, that's why people like psychedelics, to grow, mature, and learn, but as with all things there is only so much to learn from something before it just becomes habitual.


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Re: Dosing 50 times in a year... my experience in hindsight [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #23452641 - 07/18/16 11:40 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Psychedelics open the doors of perception, they show you what you're capable of you must put in the work to achieve it. Continuous use does nothing for ya if you're not incorporating it into your life

If you're tripping frequently you are either depressed, want to escape reality, not respecting the medicine, just using it to get high, or a combination of it all. You should learn what you need to do in your life from one trip, and going back the next week means you took none of it into consideration. We all have phases


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Re: Dosing 50 times in a year... my experience in hindsight [Re: Eclipse3130]
    #23452658 - 07/18/16 11:46 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

No I'm sorry but that's bullshit. You're just trying to convince yourself that drug use is more than just drug use. There is potential but it's a fine line that isn't much different than when you're sober. So who's really perceiving what?


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Re: Dosing 50 times in a year... my experience in hindsight [Re: Eclipse3130]
    #23452687 - 07/18/16 11:55 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I have incorporated many of the things i've learned from my recent trips into my routine and have been forming good habits. But I would still like to go back to reinforce these ideas and maybe to find new ones as well.


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Re: Dosing 50 times in a year... my experience in hindsight [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #23452696 - 07/18/16 11:58 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Our natural entheogens open us up, showing us the possibilities within our self, that's obvious.

Psychedelics basically just put you in a conscious meditative state of mind, allowing you to dive deep into your subconscious mind, you can do anything psychedelics show you sober.

And if you do it every week it's just not enough time to incorporate, let alone let your tolerance go down. Something is calling you back to the headspace, when you can achieve it by just meditating


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Re: Dosing 50 times in a year... my experience in hindsight [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #23452726 - 07/18/16 12:10 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

The way I see it order of things is often reversed and goes like this: take psychedelics -> get depressed and burned out -> look for solution -> start exercising -> build up your mental and emotional capacity.

But I feel it should be more like this: feel burned out and depressed -> look for solution (therapy, self help, whatever) -> start exercising -> build up mental and emotional capacity -> take psychedelics.

I've taken psychedelics both when I was mentally fucked up, and after I got my shit together. It makes all the difference between them hurting you and them teaching you. Yoga and meditation really helped me to get my shit together, but what helped even more is what I call practical meditation - sorting shit out... accepting yourself, getting rid of toxic people from your life, forgiving thing you need to forgive, asking for forgiveness for your own crap, accepting people as they are or distancing from them if you can't.

Shit, I sound like a preacher but the bottom line is - seed should be put in fertile ground to give fruit.


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Re: Dosing 50 times in a year... my experience in hindsight [Re: Obsidian]
    #23452731 - 07/18/16 12:11 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

:whathesaid:

We are not preaching, the best thing we can do is plant a seed of thought.

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Re: Dosing 50 times in a year... my experience in hindsight [Re: Eclipse3130]
    #23452732 - 07/18/16 12:12 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

You need to spend time integrating and "grounding" between trips. I believe a lot of the problems people have with tripping and tripping too frequently is failure to ground in between trips.


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