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Kush_Zombie
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Free land?
#23446914 - 07/16/16 01:56 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'm asking this for a really odd reason but let's say you were to build an underground house. Are there any places you could probably safely get away with digging and building an underground earthbag house?
Like could you go to some random abandoned cave and start digging downward at the end of it? Maybe an underground mine?
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After doing a quick search and reading up the short answer is no. The long answer isn't quite as clear and would vary depending on multiple factors such as who owns the land you're digging under, who owns the mineral rights (if they are separate) and so on.
Land ownership doesn't stop just because it goes underground and these days pretty much every inch of land is owned by someone or some country or something. There really is nothing unclaimed that you can just claim for yourself and when someone owns a piece of land, they also generally own what is below and the sky above to a certain limit.
This would mostly apply to areas around populations of people. If you wanted to go find a deserted island somewhere out in the middle of no where, even though it likely wouldn't be legal, you could probably get away with it. If you're just driving an hour outside of the city and building your home, I doubt you'd be there very long before someone picked up on it and you were answering for it in court.
I'm no lawyer though.
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Nope... i'd think you'd find it belongs to someone. .probably the state and would possibly be considered "unsuitable for a dwelling ".
Used to be, not sure if still is...in Ireland. A law that if you could prove you've been living in it for 10 years, with no one trying to get you out etc. ..it's yours.
Of course, you may get away with it in less developed countries. .but why would you want to?
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Considering the rate at which we are developing building an underground house on land you don't own seems very risky.
Your best bet IMO would be buying a cheap acre or two somewhere you can dig easily and drive supplies to.
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I'm pretty sure everywhere is owned by someone, even the most remote parts are usually "owned" by the govt, that said, I'm sure you could find some remeote place to build an underground lab, but how long it would be incognito would depend on how well it was hidden
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Kush_Zombie
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Thanks for the replies guys. I figured that was the case but wanted to ask anyways. An acre or two of nice land with water really isn't that expensive anyways.
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1) adverse possession; look into it
2) i had a buddy who spent some time outside of san francisco (dunno what town). he hiked up a hill, realized there was no one for miles, and decided to dig out a cave. using nothing but hand-tools, he dug out a cave 6-7' high, and about 15-20' deep. he lived in this cave for about 6 months before gathering water and hiking gear in/out became too much of a hassle. no one fucked with him the entire time
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depending on how big it is.. just think about the dirt displacement. It's a tooooon of work.
although if you own land.. I think people should be allowed to build what ever type of home in the fuck they want on it. Fuck all you people out there that say I cant create a dwelling I see suitable to live in for my self. If I want to throw a shed up and sleep in it, I should be allowed to do it. With out following building codes and having a official up my ass to approve of it. If a hurricane comes along and kills me because of a unstable foundation well then to bad for me.. I should of not been a idiot and built the thing incorrectly...
That's what's wrong with America these day's... stupid people.
What happen to the oh so popular "DARWIN'S NATURAL SELECTION" bullshit people rave about in comment's all over the internet.. nah not one fucking person support's that idea when it comes to things like this and legalizing drugs.. fucking hypocrites.. ohh no the legal drugs will kill people or cause people to die....
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You certainly could, in the US at least it shouldn't be too difficult to find if you're willing / able to travel. Yet imo its not worth the hassle of building a permanent structure which could be uprooted at any time should you be discovered.
That's why I've been wanting to live in a van for awhile. If you're discovered, drive your shelter off and away. May lose your garden, but that's not too big of a deal.
I've considered building a portable shelter and hauling it behind a bike, strapping on a 4-stroke engine (they're street legal in most places, unlike 2-stroke engines), and yeah 

A hammock with a tarp over it does fine outside of winter, kind of hard to do shit with your hands when its 20f outside... but then there's camp fires... or maybe some kind of structure one can rig up and take down easily to insulate from the cold (like an expensive ass tent, or or some diy thing).
Also considered making a houseboat, doesn't have to be big necessarily. There are hassles inherent in that though...
Think I like the van idea more overall, lots of practical advantages, and I think you're less likely to wind up being a hermit  I know guys who live in vans and don't have trouble with the ladies, also know of ladies who live in vans
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Re: Free land? [Re: demiu5]
#23448179 - 07/16/16 10:49 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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demiu5 said:
2) i had a buddy who spent some time outside of san francisco (dunno what town). he hiked up a hill, realized there was no one for miles, and decided to dig out a cave. using nothing but hand-tools, he dug out a cave 6-7' high, and about 15-20' deep. he lived in this cave for about 6 months before gathering water and hiking gear in/out became too much of a hassle. no one fucked with him the entire time
Sounds pretty cool, bike with a 4-stroke engine might've eliminated that problem. Gas is cheap and lasts, you could rig up a mountain bike to go off road, and one could easily pull of 15mph.
The big drawback practically speaking, is maintenance from what I can tell. Broken chains and such, these things are like 50lbs, on top of your bodyweight and load. There's also the issue of how much your frame can handle, especially going offroad (bumps + weight + speed + elevation)
Still an idea though
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Dr.Wongburger
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Hey man you should look into tiny homes like this one:
Just skip the boring introduction, it's a tiny home on a trailer:
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Dr.Wongburger said: depending on how big it is.. just think about the dirt displacement. It's a tooooon of work.
although if you own land.. I think people should be allowed to build what ever type of home in the fuck they want on it. Fuck all you people out there that say I cant create a dwelling I see suitable to live in for my self. If I want to throw a shed up and sleep in it, I should be allowed to do it. With out following building codes and having a official up my ass to approve of it. If a hurricane comes along and kills me because of a unstable foundation well then to bad for me.. I should of not been a idiot and built the thing incorrectly...
That's what's wrong with America these day's... stupid people.
What happen to the oh so popular "DARWIN'S NATURAL SELECTION" bullshit people rave about in comment's all over the internet.. nah not one fucking person support's that idea when it comes to things like this and legalizing drugs.. fucking hypocrites.. ohh no the legal drugs will kill people or cause people to die....

I don't think you understand what natural selection implies in the grand scheme of things. It's not a way of living or an ethical code of survival, it's a theory to describe the process where things die if they are not suited to their environment, in a way that doesn't allow them to pass on their traits. It occurs whether there are laws in place or not.
Also, you can sleep in a shed, tent or hut if you want. You just might not be able to do so in a bustling city environment. There are plenty of parks you can live in for all practical purposes as long as you keep your area clean and are respectful to the environment you're in.
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Dr.Wongburger
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PatrickKn said:
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Dr.Wongburger said: depending on how big it is.. just think about the dirt displacement. It's a tooooon of work.
although if you own land.. I think people should be allowed to build what ever type of home in the fuck they want on it. Fuck all you people out there that say I cant create a dwelling I see suitable to live in for my self. If I want to throw a shed up and sleep in it, I should be allowed to do it. With out following building codes and having a official up my ass to approve of it. If a hurricane comes along and kills me because of a unstable foundation well then to bad for me.. I should of not been a idiot and built the thing incorrectly...
That's what's wrong with America these day's... stupid people.
What happen to the oh so popular "DARWIN'S NATURAL SELECTION" bullshit people rave about in comment's all over the internet.. nah not one fucking person support's that idea when it comes to things like this and legalizing drugs.. fucking hypocrites.. ohh no the legal drugs will kill people or cause people to die....

I don't think you understand what natural selection implies in the grand scheme of things. It's not a way of living or an ethical code of survival, it's a theory to describe the process where things die if they are not suited to their environment, in a way that doesn't allow them to pass on their traits. It occurs whether there are laws in place or not.
Also, you can sleep in a shed, tent or hut if you want. You just might not be able to do so in a bustling city environment. There are plenty of parks you can live in for all practical purposes as long as you keep your area clean and are respectful to the environment you're in.
I came off a little hot headed there didn't I? Daily stress... I guess you are right I can sleep in a shed I just can't legally live in one in the state of Florida- have it as a official place of residence.
"Building Code: In order to build a residential building in Florida, you will have to get a building permit from the local building department and go through a series of inspections before you can occupy the building. Permits require a set of plans and elevations that meet design criteria in the Florida Building Code. Most times, the plans are required to be reviewed and approved by a licensed structural engineer. Sheds in Florida are not held to the same construction standards as residential buildings. "
I mean most of the time it's just not practical.
Check out the source/ website it's pretty interesting :
https://historicshed.com/can-i-turn-a-shed-into-a-tiny-house/
within the natural selection thing.. maybe I was thinking of cleaning out the gene pool.. hmmm.. maybe that's what Iv read on youtube all the time.. ramble ramble
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