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Love versus hatred?
    #23445758 - 07/16/16 01:51 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Which one of these powers do you think is more powerful?

I would put my money on hatred. maybe I am biased because the few points of hatred I have had in my life have been more powerful than the love?

What do ya'll think?


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Re: Love versus hatred? [Re: topdog82] * 3
    #23445760 - 07/16/16 01:54 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Hate is usually a sign of weakness IMO.


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Re: Love versus hatred? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #23445766 - 07/16/16 01:58 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

They're the exact same thing.

Both are obsessive, compulsive, unhealthy, full of passion, delusion, biased, life consuming, a wall in front of you and a cage around you, costly, and will become your ultimate demise.


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Re: Love versus hatred? [Re: topdog82]
    #23445767 - 07/16/16 01:59 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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topdog82 said:
Which one of these powers do you think is more powerful?

I would put my money on hatred. maybe I am biased because the few points of hatred I have had in my life have been more powerful than the love?

What do ya'll think?




I love you topdog82

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Re: Love versus hatred? [Re: vandago] * 1
    #23445774 - 07/16/16 02:04 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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They're the exact same thing.

Both are obsessive, compulsive, unhealthy, full of passion, delusion, biased, life consuming, a wall in front of you and a cage around you, costly, and will become your ultimate demise.




I don't think you're describing love


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Re: Love versus hatred? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #23445825 - 07/16/16 02:47 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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vandago said:
They're the exact same thing.

Both are obsessive, compulsive, unhealthy, full of passion, delusion, biased, life consuming, a wall in front of you and a cage around you, costly, and will become your ultimate demise.




I don't think you're describing love




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For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
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Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
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Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.


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Re: Love versus hatred? [Re: topdog82]
    #23445874 - 07/16/16 03:18 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Hard to give an answer to such a broad question. Depends on the context really.


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Re: Love versus hatred? [Re: Sophistic Radiance] * 2
    #23445930 - 07/16/16 04:20 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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vandago said:
They're the exact same thing.

Both are obsessive, compulsive, unhealthy, full of passion, delusion, biased, life consuming, a wall in front of you and a cage around you, costly, and will become your ultimate demise.




I don't think you're describing love





I don't think you know what love is.

If it's the polar opposite of hate, which it is...isn't it?

Then we are all connected equally through both.


There's no such thing as not hating, that's a delusional concept.  Just like living in pure love.

Love is comprise, as is hatred.....you gotta comprise not to rip someone you hate from limb to limb, just like you gotta comprise not to lock someone you love in your basement and give them some space.


They both take up equal space in the mind and the heart though.  They both need let go of, and are just as tough to do.  They both will stick with you forever depending on the level of whichever you felt.


If you have truly loved then lost then let go, and truly hated then forgave and let go, they are like brother and sister.

Both of em suck.


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Re: Love versus hatred? [Re: vandago]
    #23445933 - 07/16/16 04:23 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Hate and love aren't polar opposites. They aren't reflected in one another because they have literally nothing to do with each other.


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Re: Love versus hatred? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #23445935 - 07/16/16 04:25 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

None of you fully understand reality. Quite pathetic, really.  :snub:


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Re: Love versus hatred? [Re: Great Scott]
    #23445937 - 07/16/16 04:26 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Hate and love aren't polar opposites. They aren't reflected in one another because they have literally nothing to do with each other.





I probably don't have the ability to love.


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None of you fully understand reality. Quite pathetic, really.  :snub:





Neither did jesus.


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Re: Love versus hatred? [Re: Great Scott]
    #23445971 - 07/16/16 05:06 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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PeyoteZen said:
None of you fully understand reality. Quite pathetic, really.  :snub:



enlighten us. You do peyote. And practice zen

What have you learned sir?

Also; I never felt true love was obsessive. Lust was. But I think as a relationship between two matures, you respect each others choices


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Re: Love versus hatred? [Re: topdog82]
    #23445976 - 07/16/16 05:12 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I've lusted, and I've loved. 

Both are exhausting.

Love is a lot of compromise.  It's also very subjective. 

I don't believe in this "Love" as a whole, and one, thing.  It's dribble to me.  There's many forms of it. 

I'm also in a really bad mood right now.  I don't feel this way everyday/night


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Re: Love versus hatred? [Re: vandago] * 1
    #23445978 - 07/16/16 05:13 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I love you Vandago

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- Alan Watts

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Re: Love versus hatred? [Re: Plain] * 1
    #23445992 - 07/16/16 05:39 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

:adventuretime:


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Re: Love versus hatred? [Re: vandago] * 1
    #23446050 - 07/16/16 06:43 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Being vulnerable enough to love someone and allow yourself to be loved and then getting hurt really really hurts and I think all hate is just a manifestation of pain.


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Re: Love versus hatred? [Re: vandago]
    #23446131 - 07/16/16 07:47 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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vandago said:
They're the exact same thing.

Both are obsessive, compulsive, unhealthy, full of passion, delusion, biased, life consuming, a wall in front of you and a cage around you, costly, and will become your ultimate demise.



Perfect response. Balance in all things, even the darkness lives in harmony with the light if you choose to see how it is so..


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Re: Love versus hatred? [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #23446150 - 07/16/16 08:01 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I don't think I've ever felt pure, true hatred for anything in my life so I can't speak in terms of that

However I have been deeply in love with a girl once upon a time, and like others have said it can be very exhausting when you find all your thoughts revolving around one person and you just can't stop thinking about them even though you want to

Maybe that's not the right way to love and I'll admit to that but at the time I couldn't stop myself from loving her like that, she was just soo amazing and beautiful.. I don't know if I will ever find a girl quite like her ever again but I'm not going to make any effort to look for one because when she cheated on me I was fucked up in the head for months, complete depression followed me after the end of that relationship so I turned to drugs as an escape from the pain of reality and that opened up a whole other can of worms for me


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Re: Love versus hatred? [Re: OhMrJohnson]
    #23446178 - 07/16/16 08:20 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I hate to say it, I know I'm a cynical pessimist, but I've never seen evidence in my life that hate isn't a 90-95% more enduring emotion. Love comes and goes, except for some very lucky people. Hate is very enduring. Wish it was different world, but it isn't.


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Re: Love versus hatred? [Re: OhMrJohnson]
    #23446182 - 07/16/16 08:22 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

True hate never leaves, you carry it for life. It might seem gone but it effects you, only hiding in the back of your mind in the same way the loss of someone you truly love does. Love and hate are both forms of attachment and vulnerability, without them we become hollow to the world around us. As much as some people lament the presence of such feelings, I feel the pain, desire, and temptation is a discipline we all must face and learn to cope with if we are to develop a mature perception of our lives.  Love and hate are two sides of the same coin, a coin that pays for anything. A person who loves too much has the same heart of a person who hates too much. It's been mentioned in this thread, but I think all emotions truly stem from love, even hate. Jealousy, sadness, fear, curiosity.. they're all things we feel in our heart but at the core of it is self love, and the want to love all others as they can of us.


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