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magicjack
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central Alberta Panaeolus Subbs. ID Request! :) 1
#23445073 - 07/15/16 07:42 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Legend:

Caps ready to spore print:

Spore prints:

A closer look:



Split caps showing gills (view far left for example of intact adnate gill):

Stems:

Belly up:

Habitat: Found on peoples front lawns. In mowed grass; unknown if fertilised.. Growing gregariously, only one was found on its own.
Gills: Colour: Brown with fine white tips, blackening with age from spores. Apear adnexed at first glance but an intact gill will be adnate and clearly running into the stem. They all run a smooth but wide and steep curve from the margin and attach near the top of the stem (characterized as ascending gills?; correct me if wrong)
Stem: Striations more apparent near margin but fine lines running down the whole stem., average maybe 4inch tall, lets say 4mm wide when fresh. fibrous stem bending rather than snapping. Colour ranging from white to brown (whiter when fresh) Ps. I did find two of the little mushies to be growing so close, the stems were touching and twisting around on each other and nearly joined (when i went to pick the one I got two ) )
Bruising: Not really, some specimens exhibiting grayish base mycelium with light shades of blue (view picture "Stems") (may be wishful thinking  )
General location: Central Alberta
Cap: Lets say 1,5 inches in diametre. Convex to broadly convex, sometimes with "nipple" at top and margin splaying outwards. Extremely "hygrophanous" (changing colour with age) I collected the shrooms from a few different spots and I had three groups of differently coloured caps.
1. The young ones were solid dark redish brown,
2. the inbetweened age ones where zonate with chocolate brown and white rings,
3. and finally the oldest of the specimens where nearly faded to beige with some light brown at the nipple. Eventually fading completely beige and cracking.
^view picture "Legend" .
I left them all to spore print for the rest of the night and when I woke up to see what I got I found, the 1's had changed to the 2's colour and the 2's had changed to the 3's colour, while the 3's stayed the same.
The spores were all black. The 2's had the thickest deposit of spores while the 1's and 3's not so much... The 2's spores where the blackest black there could be. While the 1's and 3's seemed lighter in appearance by a couple shades. I theorize that because the spores weren't as thick on the paper it gives a sort of illusion appearing lighter and that the reason they weren't as thick was the 1's were too young and so didn't have enough ready spores to release and the 3's were too old meaning they already had released most of their spores beforehand.
Could thickness of spores mass be an indicator as to when the mushroom is at its peak in its lifecycle and possibly an indicator on how good a quality it is? I don't know...
My main concern is the stems didn't seem to have the same kind of thickness and prominent striations like I've seen in other pictures on the internet. And seemed to be just big versions of Pan. Foes stems. that bend rather than snap.
Ps. If anyone has even the slightest first impresion of the mushrooms appearing as another species, please tell me so I can learn the lookalikes 
Thanks to anybody who knows more than I do this subject, much appreciation  .
Edited by magicjack (07/15/16 08:02 PM)
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Re: central Alberta Panaeolus Subbs. ID Request! :) [Re: magicjack]
#23445103 - 07/15/16 07:58 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Beautiful ID request. A+ for organization.
I believe you have a mixed bag. The "3's" look like Panaeolus Foenisecii, and about 30% of your prints look dark brown. Use a sharpie next to the print to stave off wishful thinking. Most of those are panaeolus cinctulus (subbalteatus).
Wonderful job! Save up a hundred of the little guys and you should have enough for a trip.
You'll find lots of pan foes on the way, they are pretty damn close looking.
With your posting skills you should post your find in the 2016 Panaeolus Cinctulus thread.
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Re: central Alberta Panaeolus Subbs. ID Request! :) [Re: SkagitHunter]
#23445134 - 07/15/16 08:13 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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This definitely is a bomb-ass ID request, kudos OP
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magicjack
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Re: central Alberta Panaeolus Subbs. ID Request! :) [Re: SkagitHunter]
#23445181 - 07/15/16 08:37 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thanks man! I am defiantly seeing some brown now in the 3's and some of my ones. Those are some pretty large pan. foes. for what I'm used to up here. I was not aware you needed so many pan. subbs. to have a good trip though. I have experience with Psilocybe species as well as experementation with pan foes. My question is, in your experience how much more potent would the pan. subbs. be compared to the foes.?
Edited by magicjack (07/15/16 08:54 PM)
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Re: central Alberta Panaeolus Subbs. ID Request! :) [Re: magicjack]
#23445923 - 07/16/16 04:15 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Pan foes aren't active at all, so however much more that is.
Compare the dosage suggestions on this site, between subbs and whatever species you ate before.They can usually be found at the bottom of a mushroom's info page.
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Re: central Alberta Panaeolus Subbs. ID Request! :) [Re: SkagitHunter]
#23446275 - 07/16/16 09:08 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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The largest one is def. a foe, but most have black prints.
Is that white paper you are printing on? I notice that if I use a flash when taking a pic, the paper does not have its true color white.
Nice work, get some more.
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magicjack
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Re: central Alberta Panaeolus Subbs. ID Request! :) [Re: Gilzman]
#23448103 - 07/16/16 10:20 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Its white paper and I did not use a flash. I had my lamp on when I took the pics so the white balance was kinda thrown off and might look kinda yellow. I followed some of SkagitHunter's advice to use a sharpie next to the prints and I was dougbtful of al my 1's and 3's but the 2's all matched the sharpie. I'll probably end up going out tonight, roaming my hood at 1am, searching peoples lawns again like i did the first time
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Re: central Alberta Panaeolus Subbs. ID Request! :) [Re: SkagitHunter]
#23448440 - 07/17/16 12:41 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
SkagitHunter said: Pan foes aren't active at all, so however much more that is.
Compare the dosage suggestions on this site, between subbs and whatever species you ate before.They can usually be found at the bottom of a mushroom's info page.
The funny thing is, I downed some Pan. Foes. in lemon juice about a week prior and I at least felt something like a light trippy floaty buzz. Ive read that some Pan. Foes have tested postive for psilicin or psilocybin but in very weak amounts. I'm not gonna rule out the possibility of them having anything active in them, but I will say I won't be trying them again because of stomach upset. The mushrooms in the pictures above are the very first pan. subbs. I've ever encountered and it was about my third time looking for them, I made and drank a tea with all the mushrooms from this batch that printed jet black and waited for a few hours and I literally didn't notice anything.. either the subbs. I have around here are extremely weak or maybe they weren't even subbs at all which the jet black spore print along with the clearly panaeolus like characteristics should be a dead give away right? I just don't understand how they could have offered less than what the foes provided
Edited by magicjack (08/05/16 02:42 PM)
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