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OfflineSvampebobFirkant
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[Help] first time trying LSD with friend, he is nervous
    #23443114 - 07/15/16 07:24 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Hello everyone!

I'm new to these forums, but I have lurked quite a bit, and everyone here is so helpful, so I'd like some advice as well.

I'm gonna buy 300ug LSD today, and going to take it with my friend (150ug each), however he is bailing out a little, because he is nervous of having a bad trip, and ending up jumping out of the window or something like that. Now, he hasn't read up about the whole psychedelic experience, but I have. I have spent maybe 50 hours the last week reading up about it, and watching videos, so I'm not nervous at all, and just really excited!

I told him about set and setting and all, and the setting is perfect, in his own apartment without anyone to disturb us, however he says he might not think that his set is that good right now, he is stressing from work and such.

He has smoked weed many times before, and I've never touched anything else than alcohol really, but I'm still ready for this, and have a very positive mindset about it. I suggested he could just take a microdose of 50-75ug, so he won't hallucinate that much, and more get the mental feeling of it to begin with. It's the hallucinations he is mostly afraid of.

What do you guys suggest?


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Re: [Help] first time trying LSD with friend, he is nervous [Re: SvampebobFirkant]
    #23443144 - 07/15/16 07:42 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

The set and setting is not perfect because "set and setting" has more to do with what's in your head rather than what's outside of it (not to say physical set and setting doesn't matter). He should definitely not take it if he isn't ready and you definitely shouldn't push him.


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Re: [Help] first time trying LSD with friend, he is nervous [Re: Kush_Zombie]
    #23443162 - 07/15/16 07:51 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Yes I know, I meant that the setting was perfect, sorry if I wrote it confusing.

I don't wanna push him, and for the best of it, he should be sober so he could tripsit me, however I know him better than he knows himself sometimes, and I don't think that if he doesn't try a microdose now, he won't change his mind about LSD and other psychs, he is too afraid, because he grew up hearing about how dangerous it is, and I'm just trying to calm him down.

So it would just be best if I let him be, and then I can trip now, and we can talk about him tripping another time in the future?


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Re: [Help] first time trying LSD with friend, he is nervous [Re: SvampebobFirkant] * 1
    #23443201 - 07/15/16 08:13 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Hes being a wimp. Push him to do it. He will thank you.

Give him 100 micrograms


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Re: [Help] first time trying LSD with friend, he is nervous [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #23443240 - 07/15/16 08:30 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

:lolsy:


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Re: [Help] first time trying LSD with friend, he is nervous [Re: Kush_Zombie]
    #23443248 - 07/15/16 08:32 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I mean I've never done lsd so I guess I'm really just talking out of my ass. I know I wouldn't give shrooms to someone who wasn't ready, but maybe I shouldn't apply that here.


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What is G2G? (Grain-to-Grain)
Damion5050's Coir Tek (I use 5.5 - 6 quarts of water instead of 4. Also ignore step 13 and ignore the monotub completely. The only purpose of this tek is to show you how to make a simple substrate. I also add gypsum to it but not necessary)
Spitball's Monotub Tek (A liner isn't necessary but is useful)
Use 6500k lights throughout the whole process. When you wake up, turn the light on. When you go to sleep turn the light off. It's as simple as that.


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Re: [Help] first time trying LSD with friend, he is nervous [Re: Kush_Zombie]
    #23443434 - 07/15/16 09:36 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Alright thanks for the tips guys, however he just bailed out on me, and without me knowing, he just arranged a party at his place, and totally took a complete shit on whatever friendship I thought we had. He has done shit like this before, bailing on me like this, but I had no idea he even had the morality to do it today...

I'm not in party mood at all, I've been hyped to try this the whole week, so I'm thinking of going home and take it in my room alone, I've heard many others did their first trips alone as well, so whag do you think?


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Re: [Help] first time trying LSD with friend, he is nervous [Re: SvampebobFirkant]
    #23443449 - 07/15/16 09:42 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I'd rather do my first acid trip alone. Just like I did my shrooms, DMT, LSA, and Amanita Muscaria mushrooms.
Make sure you're not worrying about something like someone unexpectedly walking in on you or something.

I think you'd be fine personally but that's just speaking from my experience with different psychedelics.


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How to get started in bulk:
Presto 23-Quart Pressure Cooker
BOD's Simple as FUCK Still Air Box
PastyWhyte's Easy Agar Tek
Munchauzen's Cultivation Video Series
How EvilMushroom666 Prepares His Grains (I use jars with Synthetic Filter Discs)
What is G2G? (Grain-to-Grain)
Damion5050's Coir Tek (I use 5.5 - 6 quarts of water instead of 4. Also ignore step 13 and ignore the monotub completely. The only purpose of this tek is to show you how to make a simple substrate. I also add gypsum to it but not necessary)
Spitball's Monotub Tek (A liner isn't necessary but is useful)
Use 6500k lights throughout the whole process. When you wake up, turn the light on. When you go to sleep turn the light off. It's as simple as that.


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Re: [Help] first time trying LSD with friend, he is nervous [Re: Kush_Zombie]
    #23443460 - 07/15/16 09:48 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I hear you should stretch a lot before taking it and while on it too if you feel like. Something about easing vasoconstriction or something like that? Also make sure you have water.


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BOD's Simple as FUCK Still Air Box
PastyWhyte's Easy Agar Tek
Munchauzen's Cultivation Video Series
How EvilMushroom666 Prepares His Grains (I use jars with Synthetic Filter Discs)
What is G2G? (Grain-to-Grain)
Damion5050's Coir Tek (I use 5.5 - 6 quarts of water instead of 4. Also ignore step 13 and ignore the monotub completely. The only purpose of this tek is to show you how to make a simple substrate. I also add gypsum to it but not necessary)
Spitball's Monotub Tek (A liner isn't necessary but is useful)
Use 6500k lights throughout the whole process. When you wake up, turn the light on. When you go to sleep turn the light off. It's as simple as that.


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Re: [Help] first time trying LSD with friend, he is nervous [Re: SvampebobFirkant] * 2
    #23443463 - 07/15/16 09:51 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

SvampebobFirkant said:
I'm gonna buy 300ug LSD today,




Cool. Make sure it really is lsd. Have you considered testing it? You should. I like to use tested substances only. There are a couple of substances sometimes sold as lsd that I would rather not take unknowingly.

Please google "Ehrlich reagent", that's the most important one for lsd. Then, while you're at it, read plenty more on reagents tests.



And. My advice, buy more than 300ug. Go for a decent amount like a 10 strip minimum.

That way you can use one or two tabs for testing if you have to, and still have plenty left to enjoy.


Sorry about this business with your friend. Try not to feel too bad about it. Those emotions are best left behind when you go tripping.


Love, H.


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Re: [Help] first time trying LSD with friend, he is nervous [Re: Hanz]
    #23443863 - 07/15/16 12:46 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks for the help and tips everyone! I'm gonna try it alone, I'm gonna take it in an hour or so.

I live with my mom (I'm 19), and we are very open about things, so I went home and told her about what happened. She was quite in shock about it, but I've gotten her to calm down about it, she still won't accept it at all, but she did go pretty quiet about it when she wanted to prove to me that it's dangerous for your mentality. She Google 'LSD makes you insane' where nothing but positive results about taking lsd popped up, on how it helps you and such.. then she didn't really know what to say, it was quite funny actually.

She has gotten to the point where if I trip at home tonight she will help me if anything goes wrong, and accepts that she can't change my mind.

@Hanz, I havde heard about the erhlich test kit, however I don't want to wait for ordering it and getting it, and I'm 99% positive that this guy isn't sketchy.  We are chatting right now, and he just took 600ug himself on the same stuff, he's a chill down to earth guy, and we have many mutual friends. And also, if it's bitter it's a spitter, I'll just remember that :grin:
My dickhead friend won't influence my trip, because I kinda feel best trying this alone with my moms helps if anything goes wrong, than sitting in his apartment with no help at all, and him just generally being an ass

Wish me luck guys!:smile:


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Re: [Help] first time trying LSD with friend, he is nervous [Re: SvampebobFirkant]
    #23444031 - 07/15/16 01:53 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I'd be concerned if he wasn't alittle nervous or anxious before dosing. It a huge leap. My heart still pounds when I'm about to drop acid or mush or smoke dmt. Going in with total confidence can be a recipe for disaster sometimes. I have to ground myself alittle before tripping out.


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Re: [Help] first time trying LSD with friend, he is nervous [Re: SonicTitan]
    #23444074 - 07/15/16 02:10 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Okay things changed up a bit, talked about my dad about it, I'm gonna make a new thread, because I need people's opinions on this.


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Re: [Help] first time trying LSD with friend, he is nervous [Re: SvampebobFirkant]
    #23444078 - 07/15/16 02:11 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

SvampebobFirkant said:
@Hanz, I havde heard about the erhlich test kit, however I don't want to wait for ordering it and getting it, and I'm 99% positive that this guy isn't sketchy.  We are chatting right now, and he just took 600ug himself on the same stuff, he's a chill down to earth guy, and we have many mutual friends.




Sorry, I probably shouldn't say this just before you dose, but what you say here... is exactly the naive attitude that should be avoided when planning a trip. I don't mean to say bad things, but this is a harm reduction forum. I've heard this kind of thing before. Very common reasons not to test are:

I've got it from a friend I've known for a very long time. (But where did he get it?)

He seemed like a really nice guy (He may not know he has bad stuff this time.)

He takes it himself. (Without testing? That says something about him. Don't descent to his level.)

His stuff has always been perfect (The future is not necessarily like the past)

I don't want to wait (This means you don't fully appreciate the risks, think about it, what is a week on your life?)

And your last line, we have many mutual friends (Sorry but this does not guarantee anything. It may just give you a false sense of security. His source, his dealer, is not among your mutual friends, and that's the point.)



The list goes on. So many reasons people use to convince themselves NOT to behave responsibly.

Now I don't want to monger fear. There is a chance that your lsd is safe. There is also a chance that when you role a dice it will come up with a six. The question is, and the question should be, do you want to take chances, or do you want to take control?

One of the reasons you should care is that it's important to feel secure when in the trip. If it somehow feels off in the middle, the knowledge that you tested it can help you keep your fears at bay. But if in the middle you feel weirded out, and the thought takes root that you now have an untested chem in your body that might just be one of those horror story chems,... not nice, not nice. Avoid this kind of scenario.

You should test.

Really.


Love, H.

PS: btw, great to hear your mom is open minded. Show her this post I just wrote, and discuss it together. See where it leads you both. :thumbup:





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Re: [Help] first time trying LSD with friend, he is nervous [Re: SvampebobFirkant]
    #23444085 - 07/15/16 02:13 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

SvampebobFirkant said:
Okay things changed up a bit, talked about my dad about it, I'm gonna make a new thread, because I need people's opinions on this.




Don't make a new thread. This one is sufficient. Opening up two threads on the same subject on the same day is frowned upon. Keep discussion centered in one thread. It's the best way to have people exchange ideas.


:heart: H.


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Re: [Help] first time trying LSD with friend, he is nervous [Re: SvampebobFirkant]
    #23444087 - 07/15/16 02:14 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

You lost me when you said you were trying to convince your parents to let you trip honestly.

I mean, whatever, it's just stupid in my opinion to try to convince them on the night you're taking it.

Be ready for them to check on you every 5 minutes while you're tripping and fuck up the whole experience.

I thought you had the "perfect" set and setting? :lol:

Your parents house, while they're there, before you've even talked to them sounds like a really shitty set and setting.


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What is G2G? (Grain-to-Grain)
Damion5050's Coir Tek (I use 5.5 - 6 quarts of water instead of 4. Also ignore step 13 and ignore the monotub completely. The only purpose of this tek is to show you how to make a simple substrate. I also add gypsum to it but not necessary)
Spitball's Monotub Tek (A liner isn't necessary but is useful)
Use 6500k lights throughout the whole process. When you wake up, turn the light on. When you go to sleep turn the light off. It's as simple as that.


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Re: [Help] first time trying LSD with friend, he is nervous [Re: SvampebobFirkant]
    #23444297 - 07/15/16 03:25 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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SvampebobFirkant said:
I suggested he could just take a microdose of 50-75ug, so he won't hallucinate that much, and more get the mental feeling of it to begin with. It's the hallucinations he is mostly afraid of




Lmfao :grin: a microdose is nowhere near 50 or 75ug :facepalm3:

You sound like you don't know enough about LSD to even be fucking with it kid. And really? jesus man won't "hallucinate that much"? Hallucinations are one of the least significant effects of LSD. It's mostly all mental.

Why would your friend be most afraid of hallucinations? We hallucinate for hours everyday it's called dreaming. Is he afraid of dreaming too? Lol if you or your friend thinks hallucinations are something to be afraid of please do more research or look into other drugs because this worrying over nothing stuff is a waste of time.
If you think hallucinations are anywhere near the most intimidating part of LSD turn around and go find a different drug or do actual research.

Your friend knows hallucinations are not why people actually have bad trips right? you know that right?

The set and setting is THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS.

When it comes to psychedelics set and setting is more important than the drug itself or the dose.


Edited by AuroraBorealis88 (07/15/16 03:28 PM)


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Re: [Help] first time trying LSD with friend, he is nervous [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23444308 - 07/15/16 03:30 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Oh ya and doing LSD in an apartment sucks for a first time at least imo


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Re: [Help] first time trying LSD with friend, he is nervous [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23444601 - 07/15/16 04:59 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I can get claustrophobic fairly easy on lsd


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