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Akron Police Chief: Heroin Being Cut with Elephant Sedative, 91 Overdoses Since July 5
    #23442891 - 07/15/16 03:51 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Akron Police Chief: Heroin Being Cut with Elephant Sedative, 91 Overdoses Since July 5

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In reporting the advances of Northeast Ohio's opiate epidemic, one comes across a fair number of "WTF moments." Here's one for you: The Akron police chief says that many of the 91 overdoses in his city since July 5 come from heroin cut with carfentanil, a wildly powerful opiate commonly used to sedate elephants and rhinoceroses.

"It's brand new. I learned about carfentanil maybe eight days ago, seven days ago. It wasn't on the radar. The carfentanil is being cut into the heroin," Chief James Nice tells WEWS, which first reported this development.

Eight of those 91 overdoses have been fatal.

From WEWS:

    Dr. Kimberly Cook, director of animal health and conservation at the Akron Zoo, said carfentanil is an ultra potent opioid that is used an anesthetic for very large animals such as elephants or hoof stock. She also said it's 100 times stronger than fentanyl.

    Cook explained veterinarians who use the drug must take strict precautions.

    "It's an incredibly dangerous drug," Cook said. "We're concerned that even a drop could get in an eye so we wear eye protection. We wear long sleeves. We wear gloves."


Akron police are all-hands-on-deck now, with two arrests thus far on the books in this case. (No information about those suspects has been released publicly, and no carfentanil has been seized by police.)

“This is a public health crisis,” Akron Mayor Dan Horrigan said when the overdose spike first broke earlier this month. “We cannot arrest our way to sobriety.”




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Re: Akron Police Chief: Heroin Being Cut with Elephant Sedative, 91 Overdoses Since July 5 [Re: vandago]
    #23442922 - 07/15/16 04:37 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Theyve been cutting Heroin with fentanyl for a while now nothing new here really.


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Re: Akron Police Chief: Heroin Being Cut with Elephant Sedative, 91 Overdoses Since July 5 [Re: howsyournaggerdoin]
    #23442940 - 07/15/16 05:09 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carfentanil


It's an analog of fentanyl.  Which I have been saying to everyone in the area this entire year.  I don't do H, but I have a long time ago, and I have done fent too, and the shit that's been lurking has been completely wrecking people.

I stay away from opiates.


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Re: Akron Police Chief: Heroin Being Cut with Elephant Sedative, 91 Overdoses Since July 5 [Re: vandago]
    #23442989 - 07/15/16 05:57 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Yea its an analog but its all active in the <1mg range which makes overdosing easy.

If your dealer makes a small mistake your gone.

Youll probably need pretty high doses of naltrexone or naloxone to revert these overdoses.

I wish theyd just give out pharmaceutical heroin for free


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Re: Akron Police Chief: Heroin Being Cut with Elephant Sedative, 91 Overdoses Since July 5 [Re: vandago]
    #23443085 - 07/15/16 07:07 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Sounds like some real junk that deserves the name junk


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Re: Akron Police Chief: Heroin Being Cut with Elephant Sedative, 91 Overdoses Since July 5 [Re: Morel Guy] * 1
    #23443358 - 07/15/16 09:12 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

haha i thought rhinoserousces were dinosours


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Re: Akron Police Chief: Heroin Being Cut with Elephant Sedative, 91 Overdoses Since July 5 [Re: Sheekle]
    #23443612 - 07/15/16 10:49 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Can't fentanyl itself be used to sedate elephants? Can't any sedative be used to sedate elephants? I mean it would take a shitload of say vicodin to sedate one, but i figured if opiates work on an animal then any opiate would work?

Either way this is fucking crazy. Great advertising for the piece of shit slinging this stuff. Makes me wonder how bad the dealers habit is going to get with the boom in business from all this great advertising.

It's so crazy to think junkies will flock to a dealer whose killing people (or supplying death) and they are so delusional hardly any of them think or would admit they have ever even had a suicidal thought.

Well i guess that's not really something anyone would admit to having. But still. Really fucked up situation.


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Re: Akron Police Chief: Heroin Being Cut with Elephant Sedative, 91 Overdoses Since July 5 [Re: LuSiD enthusiast]
    #23443647 - 07/15/16 11:03 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

If a large wild animal needs sedating, you can't exactly walk up to him and ask it to roll up its sleave.  They are used in tranquilizer darts.
http://wildpharm.com/medications/zoo-animals/item/34-carfentanil-citrate-cii-5ml-3mgml.html


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Re: Akron Police Chief: Heroin Being Cut with Elephant Sedative, 91 Overdoses Since July 5 [Re: fapjack]
    #23445029 - 07/15/16 07:29 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

You couldn't just cook it a big ass hydrocodone steak with a dash of tramadol?:rofl:


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Re: Akron Police Chief: Heroin Being Cut with Elephant Sedative, 91 Overdoses Since July 5 [Re: LuSiD enthusiast]
    #23445184 - 07/15/16 08:38 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Elephants don't eat steaks......


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Re: Akron Police Chief: Heroin Being Cut with Elephant Sedative, 91 Overdoses Since July 5 [Re: vandago]
    #23447286 - 07/16/16 04:39 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

:facepalm: it was late and i was tired. But would feeding an elephant a shitload of hydrocodone not work at all? I know it would be wastecul, but I'm wondering if its like how you can't feed a reptile (or so I've heard) lsd. They don't have the receptors for any psychoactivity. Do elephants not digest opiates except carfentanyl, or is it just wasteful?


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Re: Akron Police Chief: Heroin Being Cut with Elephant Sedative, 91 Overdoses Since July 5 [Re: LuSiD enthusiast]
    #23448097 - 07/16/16 10:18 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Yes it would be wasteful.

They use certain drugs based on species and weight.

What works for a 150 lb human would not work on a 2 ton animal, and vice versa. 

How hard of a concept is that for you to grasp?


We should just ban a good painkiller for something like an elephant because people are selling it on the black market?  Or are you posting just to bicker shroomery style?


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Re: Akron Police Chief: Heroin Being Cut with Elephant Sedative, 91 Overdoses Since July 5 [Re: vandago]
    #23449733 - 07/17/16 12:19 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Yes it would be wasteful.

They use certain drugs based on species and weight.

What works for a 150 lb human would not work on a 2 ton animal, and vice versa. 

How hard of a concept is that for you to grasp?


We should just ban a good painkiller for something like an elephant because people are selling it on the black market?  Or are you posting just to bicker shroomery style?



I'm not supoorting any ban on any chemical. I could give two shits if people want to jam toilet cleaner up their ass if they think it get them high.

I'm just asking if elephants have such a different brain that only a fentanyl analogue will work or if they don't use others out of not wanting to waste it. The question was answered now so you can start the recovery process from the rage i apparently induced in you for simply asking clarification that wasn't exactly made clear earlier.

For future reference the longer you respond to a question that pisses you off the longer the conversation is gonna piss you off. It's not like i kept bumping the thread, all i ever did was responded and would have dropped it as quickly as you.:shrug:


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Re: Akron Police Chief: Heroin Being Cut with Elephant Sedative, 91 Overdoses Since July 5 [Re: LuSiD enthusiast] * 1
    #23451491 - 07/17/16 10:59 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

What rage?

I'd imagine what works on a mammal, works on a mammal.


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Re: Akron Police Chief: Heroin Being Cut with Elephant Sedative, 91 Overdoses Since July 5 [Re: LuSiD enthusiast]
    #23452714 - 07/18/16 12:05 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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vandago said:
Yes it would be wasteful.

They use certain drugs based on species and weight.

What works for a 150 lb human would not work on a 2 ton animal, and vice versa. 

How hard of a concept is that for you to grasp?


We should just ban a good painkiller for something like an elephant because people are selling it on the black market?  Or are you posting just to bicker shroomery style?



I'm not supoorting any ban on any chemical. I could give two shits if people want to jam toilet cleaner up their ass if they think it get them high.

I'm just asking if elephants have such a different brain that only a fentanyl analogue will work or if they don't use others out of not wanting to waste it. The question was answered now so you can start the recovery process from the rage i apparently induced in you for simply asking clarification that wasn't exactly made clear earlier.

For future reference the longer you respond to a question that pisses you off the longer the conversation is gonna piss you off. It's not like i kept bumping the thread, all i ever did was responded and would have dropped it as quickly as you.:shrug:





I'm pissed?  I am answering a dumb question, that is all.

What you are asking is like "Why don't we just give cancer patients advil and be done with this mess."

The longer you ask dumb questions, the more you are likely to get cynical, not angry, responses.


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