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any one use woods pellets in buckets to grow oysters
    #23442871 - 07/15/16 03:27 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Any good methods how does it compare to straw?


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Re: any one use woods pellets in buckets to grow oysters [Re: tump]
    #23443226 - 07/15/16 08:24 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Gr0wer uses supplemented sawdust for oysters and gets good yields, I would imagine that just growing on sawdust without supplements would give you similar yields to straw or other agricultural waste, as long as you have the same spawn to substrate weight ratio.

In the past I'd get decent results with dumping TWO jars of spawn into a 5-6lb block of pasteurized pine cat litter:


Pleurotus nebrodensis


H. ulmarius and P. columbinus

So to get good yields on unsupplemented sawdust you're going to need to use more spawn.  This is really only cost effective if you're growing for yourself as a hobby or you're making your own spawn.


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Re: any one use woods pellets in buckets to grow oysters [Re: tump] * 1
    #23443638 - 07/15/16 10:59 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Check out http://coldmushrooms.weebly.com/



It looks like he's using 15 lbs of grain spawn for a 40 lb bag of wood pellet fuel.  No gypsum or other supplements.  Also he only pokes holes along one side of the poly bag.  The diameter of the smaller bags is small enough that the side without holes won't go anaerobic, but it probably slows colonization on that side.

Looking at his blog it looks as if he isn't doing a lot with this 'tek,' I'm surprised it hasn't been mentioned here.

Oh crap, here are some of his spawn ratios:

H. erinaceous / coralloides: Use 4 bags spawn (approx. 28 lbs.) per 1 bag pellets.

H. umlarius / P. ostreatus: 2 bags of spawn (approx. 14 lbs.) per 1 bag of pellets is sufficient.


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Re: any one use woods pellets in buckets to grow oysters [Re: Paresthesia]
    #23443671 - 07/15/16 11:21 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

cool.thanks for sharing this guys info - interesting stuff


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Re: any one use woods pellets in buckets to grow oysters [Re: poponon]
    #23444069 - 07/15/16 02:09 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

A bucket is a very good way to start a grow, Add holes at the bottom.
Add some grit to your sub for drainage, sand, compost etc.

Strait up water like plants, it will drain.

Outdoor bucket Golden oyster:

                   

Those last two images, are growing from pine.


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Re: any one use woods pellets in buckets to grow oysters [Re: Paresthesia]
    #23450161 - 07/17/16 02:55 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Why do others bother pasteurizing fuel pellets if you can get away with simply using cold water? Are hardwoods contam resistant like coir or is he getting away with it by using such a high spawn ratio (or both)?


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Re: any one use woods pellets in buckets to grow oysters [Re: stareatclouds]
    #23450679 - 07/17/16 06:00 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Well the pellets are pretty much sterile because of the process in making them they use high heat to help compress them, at least that is what I have seen others say. I use hot water just because it seems like a safety precaution, and it takes very little extra effort unless you were doing a ton of them or something. Hardwood isn't really contam resistant from what I've seen, I use softwood pellets though as that is all I can get in the northwest. But yeah oysters are so aggressive they just don't really give a shit. :shrug:


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Re: any one use woods pellets in buckets to grow oysters [Re: d0urd3n]
    #23450745 - 07/17/16 06:37 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Well coir doesn't need hot water for sterilization/pasteurization, it just makes it more easily digestible for the myc with heat treatment. I wonder if these pellets are the same deal?

Does the species change the method? I've seen people use Lipa's method for shiitake, reishi and LM, so it seems like no? Seems weird you can spawn in open air with boiling water prep since that's basically sterilization, especially if it's not contam resistant.

Going to try this soon with LM.


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Re: any one use woods pellets in buckets to grow oysters [Re: stareatclouds]
    #23450968 - 07/17/16 07:47 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I would definitely spawn in a SAB. But yeah should work well with Herecium.


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Re: any one use woods pellets in buckets to grow oysters [Re: stareatclouds]
    #23451136 - 07/17/16 08:36 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Buckets you will run into core temps being too high


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Re: any one use woods pellets in buckets to grow oysters [Re: d0urd3n]
    #23451285 - 07/17/16 09:36 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

The original Lipa Tek says spawning in open air is fine. I'd probably do SAB just to be sure though.


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Re: any one use woods pellets in buckets to grow oysters [Re: stareatclouds]
    #23451355 - 07/17/16 10:02 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Well I took it one step further. Committed the no-no unpasteurized wood pellets mixed half and half with unpasteurized soy hulls. Just one tube. Thought I would be throwing them away but are colonizing nicely .These were blue oysters I had in the fridge. My tubes are small a little over 7" diameter and 3' long. The other experiment I used 8 qts in same size tube with wood pellets.

I would think a bucket heat ,maybe unsupplemented would work ?


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Re: any one use woods pellets in buckets to grow oysters [Re: Quadman] * 1
    #23451439 - 07/17/16 10:37 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Well I took it one step further. Committed the no-no unpasteurized wood pellets mixed half and half with unpasteurized soy hulls. Just one tube. Thought I would be throwing them away but are colonizing nicely .These were blue oysters I had in the fridge. My tubes are small a little over 7" diameter and 3' long. The other experiment I used 8 qts in same size tube with wood pellets.

I would think a bucket heat ,maybe unsupplemented would work ?



Your oysters may well colonize before nasty stuff sets in.  Even tho the soy is almost the same percent nitrogen it doesn't seem to be quite as prone to mold as bran.  But I notice bacteria is more likely. and the oyster is slowed but wins eventually.


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Re: any one use woods pellets in buckets to grow oysters [Re: Gr0wer]
    #24125918 - 02/28/17 12:24 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

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Buckets you will run into core temps being too high




Are you talking about "pasteurizing" the sub in the bucket instead of a bag? Or fruiting?


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Re: any one use woods pellets in buckets to grow oysters [Re: stareatclouds]
    #24127574 - 03/01/17 12:18 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

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Buckets you will run into core temps being too high




Are you talking about "pasteurizing" the sub in the bucket instead of a bag? Or fruiting?




During Fruiting. The living cells create heat as they digest and with buckets you have such a long way from the center to the outside that the temperature rises too high and the mycelium will experience "heat death"- and then the nasties come in and take over the areas that the mycelium died in.


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Re: any one use woods pellets in buckets to grow oysters [Re: TravelAgency]
    #24127999 - 03/01/17 09:03 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

I see. But people get multiple flushes out of buckets, do they not? At some point a substrate will be spent and contaminants will take over regardless. Isn't bucket fruiting a viable method for a few flushes?


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Re: any one use woods pellets in buckets to grow oysters [Re: stareatclouds]
    #24129183 - 03/01/17 04:26 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

It is viable, but far from ideal, especially in warmer climates.


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Re: any one use woods pellets in buckets to grow oysters [Re: TravelAgency]
    #24129264 - 03/01/17 04:50 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

So what's the main reason we don't see this in standard logs? Just the fact it's elongated so it's thinner and the clear lining won't hold as much heat?


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