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Enlightenment is not what we all desire and we do not become fulfilled through enlightenment. It isnt necessary to achieving the God mind. It may at the time seem like its the top and that all theres left to do is wait to die, but through the God mind, we realize that we are consciousness and that we are all the same person and we are all of the animals, all of the aliens in existence, and we are truly eternal. The ego is not impossible to get rid of, its what's portrayed as a demon in media, and the only way to get rid of the ego is through God. We have no personalities, or emotions, we have taken pieces of the personalities of those who we admire and glued them together to create our self. When we lack our true state of being, the only thing that makes us feel alive is belittling other beings
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Re: Spirituality has become common knowledge [Re: bigdoodie]
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Eckharte does indeed let you download free PDFs of his book. Although I won't deny that those prices are outrageous.
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'as you sit here, can you watch things without making an interpretation of it'? or words to that effect?
this is mindfkery!! Of COURSE we interpret when we observe. Subjectivity and objectivity are a dynamic. You cannot be wholly objective and not experience your own unique interpretation of what you observe and feel
he seems to separate individual awareness from nature which itself is aware
LOOK what he is doing! he is using words --guru-babble--to make out that how he thinks he observes is what you need to do to get what he is claiming he has
ohh the protestant work eithis. According to mr Tolle you cannit relax but MUST be 'alert' or else you 'drift off into thinking'. So there is his warning against what is completely natural. We are always thinking. But he is saying this is wrong and lazy. I am thinking what a con man he is. Thinking is handy!
ending at 3:44. I have wasted enough time with this stuff. I am So familiar with this spiel lol All this talk he says you are already enlightened. If that were so he wouldn't be preaching his guru-babble to this young dude. Mindfkin his head.
I believe that it is ego that makes us feel like our perceptions are wholly unique. The tree that you see is the same tree I see. The difference is all the associations, thoughts, feelings and emotions that tree brings up. Clearly if we both sat down to watch a movie we would come away with some similar thoughts and probably some very different thoughts.
The movie is still the movie without our interpretation of it.
You don't like what he says, but it sounds like to me you think he has a huge ego.. when really, have you ever heard him say "haha, you guys suck. you wish you could be like me." No, he is humble and is dedicated to service to others. I honestly don't believe he was motivated by money when he wrote Power of Now or A New Earth. He has hit upon a state of being that he feels he must share.
You don't believe that such a state is genuine. That's fine. My experience tells me that it is totally genuine. Most of what he says I can confirm from past experiences.
By alert he doesn't mean productive or full of effort.. he means that we must be vigilant against the tricks of the mind.. the tricks of the ego to perpetuate itself through desires and attachments. The state he is talking about is our natural state, our birthright. It is a state of no effort, super simple awareness.. what we would experience if we overcame the ego.
I'm sorry you feel that this is a waste of time. You aren't ready for these lessons yet. When he says we are enlightened, he is referring to our natural state, underneath all the ego clouds. I don't see him preaching at all... I mean, like, not at all. I don't see how you can compare him to a preacher. Is he loud and dominant? No, he is humble and reserved. Is he demanding shit from his audience? No, he is gently guiding those who wish for guidance. It's sad that all you saw in that video was that he was mindfucking the kid when if you looked without your bias you would see that he set this kid free and probably changed his life forever.
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I believe that it is ego that makes us feel like our perceptions are wholly unique. The tree that you see is the same tree I see. The difference is all the associations, thoughts, feelings and emotions that tree brings up. Clearly if we both sat down to watch a movie we would come away with some similar thoughts and probably some very different thoughts.
The movie is still the movie without our interpretation of it.
I have no problem WITH having ego. I do not mind being a unique being who has his likes and dislikes, but that these likes and dislikes are not set in stone but are always changing. This week I may not like some form of music, but next week I find I do.
What you and Tolle seem to be against is uniqueness which I find a horrible concept! I mean, look, picture a beach and full of pebbles, yet not two pebbles are exactly the same. Nor two leaves on a tree etc etc. Nature births uniqueness. YET with something so fluid and ever-changing like the psyche you want yours to be a clone of mine and vice verse? And you think this is 'enlightenment'? Yuk!
The movie cannot be divorced from our relationship with it. How we live it. MY life experience may have included something I experience in the movie so my interpretation OF it will be very different from yours if you didn't experience what I did, and/or in the way I did. My unique way
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By alert he doesn't mean productive or full of effort.. he means that we must be vigilant against the tricks of the mind.. the tricks of the ego to perpetuate itself through desires and attachments. The state he is talking about is our natural state, our birthright. It is a state of no effort, super simple awareness.. what we would experience if we overcame the ego.
He is selling you a product he is sellin'. He is saying: how you observe and feel reality isn't right. it has gone wrong. It is because of ego. I have got rid of MY ego, and can help you get rid/see through (how ever he phrases it) yors so you can be like me--enlightened. As I said , this is a typical ploy/formula of 'I HAVE. You lack. I can give you what you lack. He/they have to make you fell you lack, and then offer his solution/product. This is same formula all organized religions and corporate advertizers do! it is: FEAR/SOLUTION
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I'm sorry you feel that this is a waste of time. You aren't ready for these lessons yet.
Which is patronizing. it is more that I have been there and bought the Tshirt, and am trying to warn you about this sht.
Preachers and cult leaders do not have to be shouting about fire and brimstone. There are all types, some very soft spoken like this guy who changed his name to 'Ekhart' to associate it with Meister Ekhart the German mystic--a brand choice no doubt that seems to have paid off well for him--oh he of 'no desires and attachments. LOL
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I'm not against uniqueness. Life would be boring as hell if every person was the same. I'm against the ego which actually makes us more like each other.
Our uniqueness is what makes us beautiful but it won't be found in the ego. The ego functions pretty much the same in each person. The blame games, the projections, the guilt and shame and rage...
u have not gotten what I said right. The fact that everything is changing is exactly his point. If everything is always changing then the ego is an illusion. You try to find some identity beyond thought and imagination and you find nothing.
Of course the movie can be divorced from our relationship to it. Just like you can walk out of a movie, you have a choice to not follow ego. It's a choice we make. Your story is not who you really are. The story is just a story. How could a story be who you truly are? I'm trying to point to something beyond your story to your real self. Pure consciousness. We can have it and still be unique just like you can be wearing the same hat as someone else but still be YOUR SELF.
I don't want you to believe what I believe or have the same thoughts. My interest is for both of us to be our highest selves.
He never said once that how we feel isn't right. What he does say is that what we feel can give us clues to what our ego's are and do. And is it so impossible for someone to lose their ego? Does he ever tell anyone that they are lacking something? Try to find even one instance where he says this. Enlightenment is a surrender or letting go, not an addition of something but more of a removal.
Where do you see him selling fear? Does he talk about being punished in the afterlife or there being a devil.. I'm curious if you have actually given a chance to watch him speak for half an hour without projecting all your values and morals on him. He is so gentle and humble yet you accuse him of being manipulative and deceitful and greedy. Maybe you can't believe yet that it is possible to remove desire and attachment. It's a goal for most of humanity.
Is it possible that he is truly helping people and one of the only few beings who is providing truly valuable guidance of moving away from ego? The world is at its most perilous time and moving away from ego is what we need most at this moment.
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EternalCowabunga said: Eckharte does indeed let you download free PDFs of his book. Although I won't deny that those prices are outrageous.
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'as you sit here, can you watch things without making an interpretation of it'? or words to that effect?
this is mindfkery!! Of COURSE we interpret when we observe. Subjectivity and objectivity are a dynamic. You cannot be wholly objective and not experience your own unique interpretation of what you observe and feel
he seems to separate individual awareness from nature which itself is aware
LOOK what he is doing! he is using words --guru-babble--to make out that how he thinks he observes is what you need to do to get what he is claiming he has
ohh the protestant work eithis. According to mr Tolle you cannit relax but MUST be 'alert' or else you 'drift off into thinking'. So there is his warning against what is completely natural. We are always thinking. But he is saying this is wrong and lazy. I am thinking what a con man he is. Thinking is handy!
ending at 3:44. I have wasted enough time with this stuff. I am So familiar with this spiel lol All this talk he says you are already enlightened. If that were so he wouldn't be preaching his guru-babble to this young dude. Mindfkin his head.
I believe that it is ego that makes us feel like our perceptions are wholly unique. The tree that you see is the same tree I see. The difference is all the associations, thoughts, feelings and emotions that tree brings up. Clearly if we both sat down to watch a movie we would come away with some similar thoughts and probably some very different thoughts.
The movie is still the movie without our interpretation of it.
You don't like what he says, but it sounds like to me you think he has a huge ego.. when really, have you ever heard him say "haha, you guys suck. you wish you could be like me." No, he is humble and is dedicated to service to others. I honestly don't believe he was motivated by money when he wrote Power of Now or A New Earth. He has hit upon a state of being that he feels he must share.
You don't believe that such a state is genuine. That's fine. My experience tells me that it is totally genuine. Most of what he says I can confirm from past experiences.
By alert he doesn't mean productive or full of effort.. he means that we must be vigilant against the tricks of the mind.. the tricks of the ego to perpetuate itself through desires and attachments. The state he is talking about is our natural state, our birthright. It is a state of no effort, super simple awareness.. what we would experience if we overcame the ego.
I'm sorry you feel that this is a waste of time. You aren't ready for these lessons yet. When he says we are enlightened, he is referring to our natural state, underneath all the ego clouds. I don't see him preaching at all... I mean, like, not at all. I don't see how you can compare him to a preacher. Is he loud and dominant? No, he is humble and reserved. Is he demanding shit from his audience? No, he is gently guiding those who wish for guidance. It's sad that all you saw in that video was that he was mindfucking the kid when if you looked without your bias you would see that he set this kid free and probably changed his life forever.

theres no reason to grade our ego on any scale. If we know why things happen then there's no harm in offering some clarity, it can be accepted or declined, but its truth that we all want. The ego is the reason we see each other as different, but the truth is that we are all the same person, and it is only possible to see that through turiya or what is called the God mind, and the connection between all beings is what God is. (our natural state of mind). there is some misinterpretation with enlightenment and it truly is not necessary to develop the God mind, there is a reason why it is said that Lucifer brought enlightenment. To become enlightened is not to find God but many of us who reach enlightenment will claim to be our own God, and can fuel our ego. Enlightenment at its peak puts us in a heavenly zone of awareness and then when we come back down we think that all theres left to do is wait to die and that weve hit the top. but there is a fourth state of consciousness beyond awakening, and it is where we see that we're all the same person and that we truly are eternal, and that we are capable of all-knowing. We do not need to be bashful towards people who do not agree with us. Theres no logic in arguing our opinion other than to belittle people. The only person who is against us is ourself
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Of course the movie can be divorced from our relationship to it. Just like you can walk out of a movie, you have a choice to not follow ego. It's a choice we make.
So you are claiming you have made this choice and now are ego~less?
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I'm trying to point to something beyond your story to your real self. Pure consciousness.
So now you see yourself in the role of my guru?
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I don't want you to believe what I believe or have the same thoughts. My interest is for both of us to be our highest selves.
This makes no sense at all. I am saying that not to ask you to explain more to 'help me understand'. I am telling you it is nonsense.
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He never said once that how we feel isn't right. What he does say is that what we feel can give us clues to what our ego's are and do. And is it so impossible for someone to lose their ego? Does he ever tell anyone that they are lacking something? Try to find even one instance where he says this. Enlightenment is a surrender or letting go, not an addition of something but more of a removal.
Om myy...he is assuming an authority which implies he knows and you do not know and so he 'points'. get it? 
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Maybe you can't believe yet that it is possible to remove desire and attachment. It's a goal for most of humanity.
have you done it?
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Of course the movie can be divorced from our relationship to it. Just like you can walk out of a movie, you have a choice to not follow ego. It's a choice we make.
So you are claiming you have made this choice and now are ego~less?
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I'm trying to point to something beyond your story to your real self. Pure consciousness.
So now you see yourself in the role of my guru?
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I don't want you to believe what I believe or have the same thoughts. My interest is for both of us to be our highest selves.
This makes no sense at all. I am saying that not to ask you to explain more to 'help me understand'. I am telling you it is nonsense.
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He never said once that how we feel isn't right. What he does say is that what we feel can give us clues to what our ego's are and do. And is it so impossible for someone to lose their ego? Does he ever tell anyone that they are lacking something? Try to find even one instance where he says this. Enlightenment is a surrender or letting go, not an addition of something but more of a removal.
Om myy...he is assuming an authority which implies he knows and you do not know and so he 'points'. get it? 
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Maybe you can't believe yet that it is possible to remove desire and attachment. It's a goal for most of humanity.
have you done it?
Never said I was ego-less, I've only started my journey but I think I can step back a little more and see the ego for what it is, at times. I am not your guru, just a guy who is explaining to you that there is more to you than your story. The story can only exist in the mind - once mind has been overcome, there is no longer a need to create stories.
It makes sense to me. You can tell me it's nonsense, you're not an authority in my life. We may be sailors in a ship, but we don't decide the current of the waves. Ego must give way or surrender to Self.
I am repeating these things because I am pointing to the fact that Eckhart is not a charlatan, but a speaker of truth. He comes from a place of wisdom, not deciet or pride. I can't prove this to you in anyway but to suggest you examine him more closely.
He doesn't assume authority, he HAS authority because his words come from a source of truth.
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"I" "you" "me" "him" "her" "he" "she" "them" and "they" should not be used unless it is unavoidable. It does no good to make an example out of anyone, it reinforces the idea that we are different. And speaking of ourselves, either to gain sympathy or to gain admiration, is to find empowerment from either having an excuse to depend on everyone else and let the rest of us carry th weight, or to try and make others jealous. We are literally all the same person. There is no such thing as a personality, it is entirely ego. at true state of being, we are fully conscious, confident, content, emotionless, and observant. even to laugh is to fail to see things for what it really is. It is resentment of an idea, being, or object, and to smile is to be prideful. Greed, pride, lust, wrath, sloth, gluttony, and envy all fuel the ego. This is all that we need to know to reach the fourth state of consciousness.
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Re: Spirituality has become common knowledge [Re: bigdoodie]
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When I think en-light-en-ment I think of light being Truth. That's all. Truth is horrifying.
What of teaming up with legit entities once you make it beyond the 'voices...' that can interact with other people without them knowing??
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Never said I was ego-less, I've only started my journey but I think I can step back a little more and see the ego for what it is, at times. I am not your guru, just a guy who is explaining to you that there is more to you than your story. The story can only exist in the mind - once mind has been overcome, there is no longer a need to create stories.
You are going onto me that there is an actual state of egoless which, you stress, we all should strive for, including me. You get this idea from Eckhart Tolle, true? Do you agree with this? You however claim not to have gotten rid of (seen through, however you want to term it) of your ego. So in effect you are speaking from a state of non-experience of such a phenomenon, if it even exists. Do you agree with this also?
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It makes sense to me. You can tell me it's nonsense, you're not an authority in my life. We may be sailors in a ship, but we don't decide the current of the waves. Ego must give way or surrender to Self.
yet ironically you assume an authority over mine informing me I am not right as I am because I have an ego! See the problem with this? See how you are assuming a position of superiority, and Tolle even more so because he suggest he has no ego, whereas you admit your still 'working on it'. Can you not see this is all nonesense?
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I am repeating these things because I am pointing to the fact that Eckhart is not a charlatan, but a speaker of truth. He comes from a place of wisdom, not deciet or pride. I can't prove this to you in anyway but to suggest you examine him more closely.
He doesn't assume authority, he HAS authority because his words come from a source of truth.
So you keep saying, but I very much question it.
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Re: Spirituality has become common knowledge [Re: zzripz]
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Tolle probably just does some subtle Reiki if his energy is strong enough and trances them out... Wow. That be like hypnotism, yo!!
The claim that there are like 5 enlightened people... Like 5(?) LOL
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Back in Jesus time he was the only one...
What are you on about??
Jesus got over-ruled and nailed by Mithra and Sol Invictus...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sol_Invictus ;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mithra
What about Horus? Egypt yo? Osiris/Isis?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horus
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osiris
The Eleusinian mysteries?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eleusinian_Mysteries
Christianity still irks me... The one and only True God is quite the claim.
If he be the Morning Star, that's Lucifer and he was executed for revealing secrets of Bread/Fruits (Eucharist) to the lay people. An archetype. He may have been an incarnation of some sort of Logos but that's like Algebra with trees and leaves and such!
Still... Like all the previous sun gods rolled into one that is... Yes a food. Yay. Archetypal but yes very literal. Like when we gonna figure this out...?? Takes ages. And we get the idol still. The idol is the man. The forces of nature Good and Evil, the vesica pisces is the real treat... 'To see as they do knowing/experiencing the difference then want to live forever.'
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Eat up. Fill your own cup.
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Christianity still irks me... The one and only True God is quite the claim.
If he be the Morning Star, that's Lucifer and he was executed for revealing secrets of Bread/Fruits (Eucharist) to the lay people. An archetype. He may have been an incarnation of some sort of Logos but that's like Algebra with trees and leaves and such!
Still... Like all the previous sun gods rolled into one that is... Yes a food. Yay. Archetypal but yes very literal. Like when we gonna figure this out...?? Takes ages. And we get the idol still. The idol is the man. The forces of nature Good and Evil, the vesica pisces is the real treat... 'To see as they do knowing/experiencing the difference then want to live forever.'
A fountain of living waters:
I think we can figure it out...now
'Jesus' was. like other mythical characters such as Indra, Shiva, Krishna, Quetzalcoatl, etc etc really a covert personification of psychedelic fungi. PARTICULARLY fungi, because to the ancient mind, which didn't have access to microscopic technology they were ignore-ant about mushroom spores! Mushroom spores are of course microscopic and is how mushrooms seed themselves. But the solar phallic myth-ers believed that they came miraculously from above with thunderstorms. And this is how the story of the Virgin Mary being impregnated with 'God's sperm' comes from. IE she represents the Earth as passive receptacle, and it was believed that solely male seed was the active principle in conception and birth, much more so from their masculine phallic solar God
So the mushrooms therefore was their 'God', coming from above, and taking on flesh, and was the 'Logos', because this mythic' set&setting, being solar phallic, and thus dualistically assuming 'spirit' is transcendent (and 'masculine') and superior to nature, seen as feminine and inferior, is more into 'channeling'--contacting a 'spirit', 'God', the 'Father'. Looking for a saviour and guidance/prophecy from above rather than ecstatic immersion, and transcendence of ego, realizing a sense of merging with the natural world and others.
The lunar based mythical Goddess religion was completely different. there was/is not duality between 'spirit' and nature, between an 'above' and a 'below', or betweeen masculine and feminine, and thus the psychedelic fungi are fruits of the Goddess, seed or no seed. They were the son/lovers of the Goddess because of the ecstatic connected- ness you can feel with nature and others which is a deep sense, and often VERY erotic and sensual
Notice how the solar phallic belief systems are usually very puritanical when it comes to sexuality, and eroticism, especially Christianity. This is because they intellectually and mythically divide 'spirit' from the 'body' and nature.
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What about Father Sun/sky (penis) and Mother Earth (Vagina) ??
The mushroom fruit is seen as a breast, a penis penetrating a vagina, a cup, one winged disk, the ankh, the phoenix, the scarab, amrita, ambrosia, nectar of the Gods, and God's flesh, or God in the flesh literally.
But get it: Volvo. Vulva with 'Os' to make it masculine with a male pointed sign. A penis vagina.
The hermaphroditic God. What about the Rebis?
 One small round thing or womb/egg, a mirror (perhaps depicting that you are nature), Eucharist, a solar disk, a man/woman, one foot, wings (one red) ??
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yeah said: animals have no ego
your statement is easy to dispel, as humans are animals
also, where do you get that non-humans have no ego?
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your statement is easy to dispel, as humans are animals

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am i sure that humans are animals?
yes
just another species on this planet
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Put your hand in the box.
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I didn't get the idea of egoless from Tolle. I got it from an ego loss experience on shrooms and I assume this is the state that spiritual teachers point to. Correct, I have never been in that state (besides on that one shroom trip) so I can't be sure this is where the spiritual teachers are coming from.
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