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Re: Spirituality has become common knowledge [Re: Thanatos10]
#23445271 - 07/15/16 09:23 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thanatos10 said: I would say people are claiming to reach such heights, I mean people have certainly faked it before and had followers believe and hang on their words.
TO me it still seems like religion, only with a new paint job. Salvation if you follow and misery and pain if you don't. Same rhetoric.
The lime-light of attention may fuel a certain makeup of neurogenetics or "ego". And perhaps it does seem a bit clique or cultish.
Though from what I've seen life become within a flash of time, I think it's much simpler. Compassion and curiosity growing from the roots within here, reflected onto the seemingly external realm of space and matter, now.
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We also need to consider that some of these beings are not even human and enlightenment would not be possible for them in their current lifetime.
definitely possible
much the same way that chickens can't get enlightened I would assume that vampires and other non human things in human skin can't either.
I think they are close to being thoughtless all the time but their greed and ego get's them to act in typical demonic fashion... if the slightest thing upsets them in any way they can't really cope with it well (or at least in any balanced way)
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Re: Spirituality has become common knowledge [Re: yeah]
#23445979 - 07/16/16 05:14 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I just think there is a monumental mis-take with this 'enlightement' ideal that has been pushed as some alternative way to....tradition religion and materialism. It of course happened in the '60s. The youth discovered LSD and then influential groups and individuals like the Beatles, and Timothy Leary went on about gurus, and 'pushing the envelope' trying to attain nirvana etc. But I just see it as a phony load of old tosh
IE usually males with beards pretending they are on a superior level to you--the formula being 'you lack: they got what you lack' hence your stuck trying to get it!
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Re: Spirituality has become common knowledge [Re: zzripz]
#23446252 - 07/16/16 08:56 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Have you ever read The Power of Now? If you had and you actually listened you wouldn't be telling me it's about my having something that you don't
it's about you knowing that you already have it
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Re: Spirituality has become common knowledge [Re: yeah]
#23446383 - 07/16/16 09:51 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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yeah said: Have you ever read The Power of Now? If you had and you actually listened you wouldn't be telling me it's about my having something that you don't
it's about you knowing that you already have it
I can't believe I'm saying this, but I agree with him in a sense. The Power of Now was pretty much that. He knows something you don't and as long as you don't have it you will be miserable, but as long as you listen to him and pay up he will tell you how to get there. Sounds too much like previous scams when you think about it.
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Re: Spirituality has become common knowledge [Re: Thanatos10]
#23447012 - 07/16/16 02:38 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thanatos10 said: He knows something you don't and as long as you don't have it you will be miserable, but as long as you listen to him and pay up he will tell you how to get there. Sounds too much like previous scams when you think about it.
I'm guessing you never went to university and listened to someone who evidently did know what they were talking about. Educating people is not a 'scam'.
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Re: Spirituality has become common knowledge [Re: viktor]
#23447101 - 07/16/16 03:10 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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viktor said:
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Thanatos10 said: He knows something you don't and as long as you don't have it you will be miserable, but as long as you listen to him and pay up he will tell you how to get there. Sounds too much like previous scams when you think about it.
I'm guessing you never went to university and listened to someone who evidently did know what they were talking about. Educating people is not a 'scam'.
"Education" is the term people like that use to mask inconsistencies in their words. It's also quite convenient that when their advice falls short the problem is with you and not them. Any critique of their ideas just gets brushed away as "ego" which seems way to convienient. It makes them immune to criticism in a sense and I can't support that.
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Re: Spirituality has become common knowledge [Re: yeah]
#23447113 - 07/16/16 03:13 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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yeah said: Have you ever read The Power of Now? If you had and you actually listened you wouldn't be telling me it's about my having something that you don't
it's about you knowing that you already have it
LOL that is the same thing different trick, because if you 'knew' you wouldn't be listening to the boring old fart
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Re: Spirituality has become common knowledge [Re: Khancious]
#23447242 - 07/16/16 04:15 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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EternalCowabunga said: Enlightened masters treat all beings equal because they see the divine formless spirit underneath all ego and mask and mind.

I look around social media and public avenues in my Floridian city and I see amounts of people with their heads buried in cell phones, political discourse and the stroking of their roles played on this stage, limited to past experiences, cultural influence and future expectations. My dense, inner ego mind thinks they are missing the beauty of the world around them, if only they could just let go and be, and of course that is logically understandable when relayed to eastern and mystical conceptualization...
but when the consciousness transmutes the life-force into my fingers typing these words, and there is no longer an I and body to identify with, but rather the stream of pure experience (to condense it into language) there is nothing but the eternal energy, a sacred intelligence manifesting within all perception, there is nothing out of order for it is all interconnected and weaved within the tapestry of now, like ripples and waves on the ocean of feeling.
You are all truly loved, and I will be one to admit that I struggle with my spiritual maintenance. I have a propensity towards addiction in many shades which tends to cloak my intention. Yet, the cinder of truth and god will burn forever and I hope we as inhabitants of earth can reach a harmonious life with each other, animals and all the green magic we rely on for the breath of insight, and when the moment is here where the organism fails, and we fade into our final dream, we will smile wider than the grand canyon knowing we were already home.
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Re: Spirituality has become common knowledge [Re: zzripz]
#23447922 - 07/16/16 09:29 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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well dude I straight up told you that you are already enlightened so I don't quite understand where you think my implied exclusivity is coming from
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Re: Spirituality has become common knowledge [Re: yeah]
#23448841 - 07/17/16 05:30 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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yeah said: well dude I straight up told you that you are already enlightened so I don't quite understand where you think my implied exclusivity is coming from
errrm you don't even know me...? All you see is typed text. you don't know what I am
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Re: Spirituality has become common knowledge [Re: zzripz]
#23448968 - 07/17/16 07:37 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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You're gonna get cancer if you keep thinking that way.. that you are your body...
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Re: Spirituality has become common knowledge [Re: yeah]
#23449199 - 07/17/16 08:59 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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yeah said: You're gonna get cancer if you keep thinking that way.. that you are your body...
That is typical New Age speak! IE you blame people for having cancer, etc.
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Re: Spirituality has become common knowledge [Re: zzripz]
#23449595 - 07/17/16 11:10 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: Spirituality has become common knowledge [Re: zzripz]
#23450064 - 07/17/16 02:28 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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He may not know your ego, your conditioning or your past but all of us share one thing - consciousness. Or you could call it Awareness. The highest observer.. the same essence that has never changed since you came into this world.
I don't have to know your phone number or your address to know that like all beings you suffer and desire happiness. That you have thoughts and senses and imagination. If I'm getting too personal, stop me. Actually, I'm being impersonal because I'm not referring to your personality at all!
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My point is this: Why the hell would you pay money and for his talks (I have heard the fees are very expensive!) and buy books of this mr Tolle --who says 'your all enlightened' IF you think you are? (whatever THAT means). What is the point?
can someone answer this please?
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Re: Spirituality has become common knowledge [Re: zzripz] 1
#23450366 - 07/17/16 04:05 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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If he really does charge people to hear his talks, well, I'm not for that. I hesistated to put him on the list of enlightened because I don't know him too well although I read his book A New Earth and was fascinated by his idea of the pain body and other insights. I haven't watched enough of his videos to know for sure if his presence alone can transform the beings around him. I did get some proof of this when I watched a video of him sitting on a bench with a young man, perhaps in his late teens or early 20s. Eckharte sat there very still and pointed out to the nature around them - at the animals, the plants, the other beings around them. You could see on the young man's face a realization or shift of consciousness dawn on him and he became in awe.
"Do you feel that your body is alive?" Eckharte asked him "Yeah!" he replied in a stunned fashion.
The young man asks if he can stay like this all the time and still do human things like have a girlfriend or keep a job. Here's the video:
I don't think he ever said that you are enlightened if you think you are. I'm pretty sure he would actually say that thoughts are NOT what we are and we are often too attached to thoughts or images of ourselves.
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'as you sit here, can you watch things without making an interpretation of it'? or words to that effect?
this is mindfkery!! Of COURSE we interpret when we observe. Subjectivity and objectivity are a dynamic. You cannot be wholly objective and not experience your own unique interpretation of what you observe and feel
he seems to separate individual awareness from nature which itself is aware
LOOK what he is doing! he is using words --guru-babble--to make out that how he thinks he observes is what you need to do to get what he is claiming he has
ohh the protestant work eithis. According to mr Tolle you cannit relax but MUST be 'alert' or else you 'drift off into thinking'. So there is his warning against what is completely natural. We are always thinking. But he is saying this is wrong and lazy. I am thinking what a con man he is. Thinking is handy!
ending at 3:44. I have wasted enough time with this stuff. I am So familiar with this spiel lol All this talk he says you are already enlightened. If that were so he wouldn't be preaching his guru-babble to this young dude. Mindfkin his head.
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Eckhart Tolle is on the Rich Man’s List. Is this the price of enlightenment?
*Tuition price only. Accommodations and meals package is additional.
Eckhart and Kim Eng charged $995.00 (£600, €725) for their tuition of participants for their five day retreat, plus sales of books, DVDs, calendars and so on. You do not have to be a rocket scientist to work out how much money they receive if 500 attended. They could have made for themselves about half a million dollars in five days. Participants booked through Eckhart Teachings to pay to stay in nearby hotels, ranging from $500 to $1000 for the five nights – a walking distance to the huge conference hall to listen to Eckhart. If participants make their own housing arrangements, then they pay Eckhart Teachings, a “commuter fee of $295 including meals and yoga mat.” Eckhart gave a two day retreat in Australia in 2011 to hundreds of people. Eckhart charged $695.00 for two days of intuition. It’s seems to be a money spinning guide to enlightenment.
Public Talks
Eckhart charges individuals between the cheapest seats at £50 to £75 for the “platinum seats” to listen to him give a two talk with questions and answers. In an evening programme in a theatre in the East End of London in October, 2013, more than 2500 people attended. It meant that the commercial arm of Eckhart Teachings probably received around £150,000 gross from tickets sales, plus sales of his books, his DVDs, his calendars, cards etc. Costs include rent of the theatre for the evening etc.
Yeah, I bet when he was sitting on his park bench if that was even true, he was thinking alright. How to make a buck outta peoples gullibility!
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Re: Spirituality has become common knowledge [Re: zzripz]
#23456688 - 07/19/16 04:18 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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It's his fault he got rich for providing all of his wisdom in book form?
The talks are for the people who want extra help. All you need to know from him he has already given away for free.
He allows his books to remain uploaded in PDF form all throughout the internet. Google will easily reveal this to you.
You clearly have a prejudice against the man because of your own misconceptions about the nature of self and form.
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