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OfflineThe Ecstatic
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Re: '73 dead' after truck crashes into crowd at Bastille Day celebrations in Nice 'terror attack' [Re: qman] * 1
    #23452844 - 07/18/16 12:49 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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People don't like Obama because he's shit, you're way overblowing the amount of people who don't want him to be president because he's black. You just said it yourself, those people are way more concerned about him being a Kenyan Muslim than him being a black man. You're just enabling a bunch of idiots with that kind of mindset




You think the people who believe hes a kenyan muslim has nothing to do with discriminatory beliefs about blacks (kenyans are blacks btw)?




Most people dislike Obama because he's a racist fucktard, it has NOTHING to do with "Kenyan muslim".

Do you forget you put and voted Obama into Office?




For someone who hates the race card i see you call more people racist than anyone else on this board.

Whatever you believe, a significant portion of the population dislikes Obama on discriminatory grounds.


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Re: '73 dead' after truck crashes into crowd at Bastille Day celebrations in Nice 'terror attack' [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
    #23452884 - 07/18/16 01:07 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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People don't like Obama because he's shit, you're way overblowing the amount of people who don't want him to be president because he's black. You just said it yourself, those people are way more concerned about him being a Kenyan Muslim than him being a black man. You're just enabling a bunch of idiots with that kind of mindset




You think the people who believe hes a kenyan muslim has nothing to do with discriminatory beliefs about blacks (kenyans are blacks btw)?




I've never heard people who complain about that mention that it has anything to do with Kenyans being black, those people are always complaining that he wasn't born in America so he's unfit to be the president. You're the one making it about race here


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Re: '73 dead' after truck crashes into crowd at Bastille Day celebrations in Nice 'terror attack' [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
    #23453015 - 07/18/16 01:53 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Nobody is arguing for equality of outcome, nice red herring.


Civil rights laws exist, but there are many laws in place that still disproportionately affect african americans. And even if there wasnt, theres ample proof that blacks are treated more harshly for the same crimes and actions than whites.

Do you honestly believe race relations shouldve been 100% when LBJ was in office? Half this nation believes Obama is a Kenyan Muslim. Is there a law against a black man being president? No. Is there half a nation who believes he shouldnt be? Yes. Can you honestly tell me nobody with that belief holds public office? Sits on the bench? Is a police officer? Witness? Juror? Come on, now.

A problem clearly exists. You can write it off just like every other generation of antagonists did as "uppity minorities wanting special treatment," and history will remember you as such.




"blacks are treated more harshly for the same crimes and actions than whites"

So there's a conspiracy to punish blacks over whites? Is this the same conspiracy to punish poor over rich?  Or the same conspiracy to punish young over old, or male over female?

Or are you and others ignoring everything else except for race?  That would make people a racist.

"Nobody with that belief?"

What belief?  That Obama is a incompetent racist moron?  Now you want to control people's opinions of the world around them because you disagree with it?




It doesnt have to be a conspiracy. The Rockefeller drug laws for example, target minorities and punish them more strictly simply because the cocaine they typically sold was in rock form. Whether or not the law was made intentionally to target minorities (rather than just crack) is irrelevant to the consequences of the law and the need for its reform.

Its almost like the right's attack on voter rights laws nowadays. The GOP (typically) is using what even SCOTUS deems as legal means to purposefully disenfranchise the votes of "unfriendly" voters. We dont need to take the GOP to court and make them admit to being racist on the stand, we just need to change the fucking laws.

Just like we need civilian oversight, and automatic federal inquiries into officer-related homicides. Body cameras wouldnt be the end of the world, either. Do I need to prove all these things need to happen because of racism? Or can you just accept they all make sense and move on?




So why make the platform for change about racism?  Do you really think it's going to accomplish anything dividing people who share the same views based on race?  The movement is cutting their own throats with their racist rhetoric.

You're right with them, creating a division based on race, that's called being a race baiter.


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Re: '73 dead' after truck crashes into crowd at Bastille Day celebrations in Nice 'terror attack' [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23453026 - 07/18/16 01:56 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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People don't like Obama because he's shit, you're way overblowing the amount of people who don't want him to be president because he's black. You just said it yourself, those people are way more concerned about him being a Kenyan Muslim than him being a black man. You're just enabling a bunch of idiots with that kind of mindset




You think the people who believe hes a kenyan muslim has nothing to do with discriminatory beliefs about blacks (kenyans are blacks btw)?




Most people dislike Obama because he's a racist fucktard, it has NOTHING to do with "Kenyan muslim".

Do you forget you put and voted Obama into Office?




For someone who hates the race card i see you call more people racist than anyone else on this board.

Whatever you believe, a significant portion of the population dislikes Obama on discriminatory grounds.




So be it, many people hate Trump based on the same "discriminatory grounds".  I didn't hear Bush complaining about people disliking him because he was a old WASP male.

I dislike Obama because he's a sellout and a racist.


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Re: '73 dead' after truck crashes into crowd at Bastille Day celebrations in Nice 'terror attack' [Re: Eminence]
    #23453030 - 07/18/16 01:57 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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People don't like Obama because he's shit, you're way overblowing the amount of people who don't want him to be president because he's black. You just said it yourself, those people are way more concerned about him being a Kenyan Muslim than him being a black man. You're just enabling a bunch of idiots with that kind of mindset




You think the people who believe hes a kenyan muslim has nothing to do with discriminatory beliefs about blacks (kenyans are blacks btw)?




I've never heard people who complain about that mention that it has anything to do with Kenyans being black, those people are always complaining that he wasn't born in America so he's unfit to be the president. You're the one making it about race here




Of course he is, people don't even know about this Kenyan nonsense.


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Re: '73 dead' after truck crashes into crowd at Bastille Day celebrations in Nice 'terror attack' [Re: Eminence]
    #23453117 - 07/18/16 02:24 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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People don't like Obama because he's shit, you're way overblowing the amount of people who don't want him to be president because he's black. You just said it yourself, those people are way more concerned about him being a Kenyan Muslim than him being a black man. You're just enabling a bunch of idiots with that kind of mindset




You think the people who believe hes a kenyan muslim has nothing to do with discriminatory beliefs about blacks (kenyans are blacks btw)?




I've never heard people who complain about that mention that it has anything to do with Kenyans being black, those people are always complaining that he wasn't born in America so he's unfit to be the president. You're the one making it about race here




Im only asking for people to acknowledge that race is still an issue for a significant number of Americans. Nothing more.


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Re: '73 dead' after truck crashes into crowd at Bastille Day celebrations in Nice 'terror attack' [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23453133 - 07/18/16 02:28 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

@qman, like ive said: the arguments you use are old ones. Why are they old? Because they can be applied to any sociopolitical movement in history.

"Theyre hurting their own cause."
"Theyre the ones who are racist/sexist/bigoted."
"Theyre violent rabble rousers with no clear objective."


These cherrypicked incidences and the arguments used therein are classics for a reason, it goes all the way to COINTELPRO. You dont need facts, dont need opposing arguments, you just need a few bad apples to he highlighted so you can label them all as such and discredit their arguments without making any of their own.


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Re: '73 dead' after truck crashes into crowd at Bastille Day celebrations in Nice 'terror attack' [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23453197 - 07/18/16 02:46 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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@qman, like ive said: the arguments you use are old ones. Why are they old? Because they can be applied to any sociopolitical movement in history.

"Theyre hurting their own cause."
"Theyre the ones who are racist/sexist/bigoted."
"Theyre violent rabble rousers with no clear objective."


These cherrypicked incidences and the arguments used therein are classics for a reason, it goes all the way to COINTELPRO. You dont need facts, dont need opposing arguments, you just need a few bad apples to he highlighted so you can label them all as such and discredit their arguments without making any of their own.




That's based on the theory that every sociopolitical movement has legitimate grievances and doesn't have other motives than they advertise.

BLM was founded upon a lies and misinformation, and as a result it create a false narrative, did Obama ever apologize for jumping on the media bandwagon and falsely prejudging the Martin and Brown cases?  NOPE.


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Re: '73 dead' after truck crashes into crowd at Bastille Day celebrations in Nice 'terror attack' [Re: qman]
    #23453247 - 07/18/16 03:03 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Nice attack: France's history of 'civilising' North Africa has catalysed radicalisation

Soon after the Brussels terror attack, New Statesman spoke to some Muslims and the Imam of a temporary mosque in Toulouse to understand how they were coping. The replies reflected an atmosphere of fear and discrimination that prevails in France against the Muslims.
A number of people are critical of the the role immigration has played in bringing Islam to France, while others like the mayor of a French town are taking a bit more of a an extreme stand: Urging a ban on Muslims and the demolition their makeshift homes.
Authorities investigate the truck after it plowed through Bastille Day revelers in Nice, France. APAuthorities investigate the truck after it plowed through Bastille Day revelers in Nice, France. AP
According to a report by the Brookings Institute, most Muslims in France came from North Africa, particularly Algeria, Morocco and Tunisia.
Colonial history
Many parts of North Africa were French colonies. France’s domestic and foreign policy towards the country sowed the seeds of division between the Muslims and the non-Muslims, which is still plaguing the society.
It echoes “The horror! The horror!” of Joseph Conrad’s The Heart of Darkness. The phrase refers to the imperial policy and the exploitation that happened in the colonies by the colonisers. The colonised people are seen as ‘savages’ and ‘beasts’.
The French rule over North Africa mirrors the situation in any other country which was colonised and robbed of its resources.
According to a piece in The Federalist, the French colonial rule in North Africa was seen as a “civilising mission” to help the natives. The French brought their wealth and secular society to North Africa as a “civilised” alternative to the Muslim way of life.
Most of France’s wealth today has been seized from the colonised people of Polynesia and Senegal, according to Boston Globe.
In 1830, France conquered Algeria and soon after World War I, it took control of Syria and Lebanon and some French settled in North Africa, a Time article said. However, after World War II, North Africans came to France to work in new factories, settling in the poor areas.
The Algerian war for independence in 1962 was bloody and brutal.
The North African immigrants have however, not forgotten their roots and are aware of the history of their country. Some of them harbour much resentment against the French. It's worth pointing out that the people who attacked the office of Charlie Hebdo were of Algerian descent.
However, The New Yorker quoted Ben Ahmed, of Algerian and Tunisian descent, soon after the Charlie Hebdo attack as saying “My French heart bleeds, my Muslim soul weeps. Nothing, absolutely nothing, can justify these barbaric acts.”
Ahmed works as a liason between residents and the local government in Bondy – a suburb in an area called Department 93.
Muslim ghettos
This area is full of Arab and African-origin residents. The French look at it as a hub of crime, poverty, social isolation and unemployment.
Suburbs dominated by Muslims are often viewed with contempt and suspicion in France.
Ahmed wrote an open letter to President François Hollande titled 'All Partly Responsible, but Not Guilty'. He wrote about the problems of joblessness and discrimination.
These Muslim ghettos are isolated from the city. The Washington Times refers to a study by a think-tank Institute Montaigne that described the Muslim ghettos as “wasteland of the deindustrialisation” or “radical rejection of France”.
On 13 July, Mayor of French town Calais, Natacha Bouchart said that the refugee camp in the town would be demolished very soon, The Independent reported. There are around 4,500 refugees in the area, mostly from North Africa.
France is seen by its critics as a country that continues to meddle economically and militarily to defend its interests in Africa. And its policy of segregation against the Muslims years after its “civilising” mission in North Africa has quite possibly alienated the Muslim youth and sown the seeds of jihad in them.
http://www.firstpost.com/world/nice-attack-frances-history-of-civilising-north-africa-has-catalysed-radicalisation-2895034.html


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Re: '73 dead' after truck crashes into crowd at Bastille Day celebrations in Nice 'terror attack' [Re: qman]
    #23453356 - 07/18/16 03:45 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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@qman, like ive said: the arguments you use are old ones. Why are they old? Because they can be applied to any sociopolitical movement in history.

"Theyre hurting their own cause."
"Theyre the ones who are racist/sexist/bigoted."
"Theyre violent rabble rousers with no clear objective."


These cherrypicked incidences and the arguments used therein are classics for a reason, it goes all the way to COINTELPRO. You dont need facts, dont need opposing arguments, you just need a few bad apples to he highlighted so you can label them all as such and discredit their arguments without making any of their own.




That's based on the theory that every sociopolitical movement has legitimate grievances and doesn't have other motives than they advertise.

BLM was founded upon a lies and misinformation, and as a result it create a false narrative, did Obama ever apologize for jumping on the media bandwagon and falsely prejudging the Martin and Brown cases?  NOPE.




How is that a theory?

Every sociopolitical movement IS grounded on legitimate grievances. Hell, even the Third Reich was. The Bolshevik Revolution. And on and on. Opportunists will hijack these movements at will and use them to their own ends, which is exactly my point: its a lot easier for you to say none of them know what the fuck theyre talking about, lest youre forced to seriously entertain those grievances.


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Re: '73 dead' after truck crashes into crowd at Bastille Day celebrations in Nice 'terror attack' [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23453411 - 07/18/16 03:58 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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The Ecstatic said:
@qman, like ive said: the arguments you use are old ones. Why are they old? Because they can be applied to any sociopolitical movement in history.

"Theyre hurting their own cause."
"Theyre the ones who are racist/sexist/bigoted."
"Theyre violent rabble rousers with no clear objective."


These cherrypicked incidences and the arguments used therein are classics for a reason, it goes all the way to COINTELPRO. You dont need facts, dont need opposing arguments, you just need a few bad apples to he highlighted so you can label them all as such and discredit their arguments without making any of their own.




That's based on the theory that every sociopolitical movement has legitimate grievances and doesn't have other motives than they advertise.

BLM was founded upon a lies and misinformation, and as a result it create a false narrative, did Obama ever apologize for jumping on the media bandwagon and falsely prejudging the Martin and Brown cases?  NOPE.




How is that a theory?

Every sociopolitical movement IS grounded on legitimate grievances. Hell, even the Third Reich was. The Bolshevik Revolution. And on and on. Opportunists will hijack these movements at will and use them to their own ends, which is exactly my point: its a lot easier for you to say none of them know what the fuck theyre talking about, lest youre forced to seriously entertain those grievances.




When I find obvious inconsistencies and hypocrisy in those potential "grievances", I point them out.

Why can't the movement be based on pointing out the injustices in the criminal justice system that affect ALL US citizens?  Why does it have to be a white cop vs black suspect narrative that the media promotes? 

Why should I entertain sensationalism created by the media?  That's not the foundation of a serious political movement with serious grievances, it's the foundation of a movement hijacked by a bunch of racist thugs.


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Re: '73 dead' after truck crashes into crowd at Bastille Day celebrations in Nice 'terror attack' [Re: qman]
    #23453535 - 07/18/16 04:30 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah why do black people have to focus on issues involving themselves?

Theyd have so much more credibility were they equally concerned about whites.


This is exactly the kind of backwards bs im talking about. Youre supposed to shed light on a specific grievance, but it cant be too specific otherwise its invalid...right.


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Re: '73 dead' after truck crashes into crowd at Bastille Day celebrations in Nice 'terror attack' [Re: The Ecstatic] * 2
    #23453542 - 07/18/16 04:31 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

What thread is this?


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Re: '73 dead' after truck crashes into crowd at Bastille Day celebrations in Nice 'terror attack' [Re: Plain] * 1
    #23453554 - 07/18/16 04:34 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

It's the 'some people have no better arguments to make so they call others racist' thread.


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    #23453611 - 07/18/16 04:49 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Racist!


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Re: '73 dead' after truck crashes into crowd at Bastille Day celebrations in Nice 'terror attack' [Re: Plain]
    #23453629 - 07/18/16 04:53 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Back to your safe spaces


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Re: '73 dead' after truck crashes into crowd at Bastille Day celebrations in Nice 'terror attack' [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23453663 - 07/18/16 05:04 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Yeah why do black people have to focus on issues involving themselves?

Theyd have so much more credibility were they equally concerned about whites.


This is exactly the kind of backwards bs im talking about. Youre supposed to shed light on a specific grievance, but it cant be too specific otherwise its invalid...right.




"backwards bs im talking about."

You mean suggesting that all lives matter is bs? 

Suggesting the whites, Hispanics, and Asians are also victims of police abuse is BS as well?

"too specific otherwise its invalid"

In cases like police abuse the answer is yes. Have you not noticed the BLM is a failure that's eventually going to labeled a terrorist organization?


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Re: '73 dead' after truck crashes into crowd at Bastille Day celebrations in Nice 'terror attack' [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23453667 - 07/18/16 05:07 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Im only asking for people to acknowledge that race is still an issue for a significant number of Americans. Nothing more.




You're asking for people to acknowledge an untruth, anti-black racism is all but dead in America.



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Back to your safe spaces




Ironic coming from someone who wants to elbow in more affirmative action, more safety vests, more priority.


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Re: '73 dead' after truck crashes into crowd at Bastille Day celebrations in Nice 'terror attack' [Re: Repertoire89]
    #23453676 - 07/18/16 05:10 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I'm not a PC-ist or a BLM supporter by any means but if you think anti-black racism is all but dead I implore you to go to the south... or idaho :rofl:

It's nearly a way of life

Anti-white is just as strong in the south too though :smilingpuppy:

We should just cut ties, that region pulls the entire country down in a good few ways.


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Re: '73 dead' after truck crashes into crowd at Bastille Day celebrations in Nice 'terror attack' [Re: qman]
    #23453680 - 07/18/16 05:12 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

What im saying is that your argument makes no sense because you cant help contradicting yourself.

Is the JDL without merit because they dont protect Muslims?

Is the ACLU without merit because they dont do work in Russia?


What youre doing is taking the specific grievance you demanded, and saying "heh, if you really cared about (issue), youd care how it affects everyone."

Im sure youre on your way now to boycott the Holocaust Museum as it focuses to specifically on Jewish suffering and not the other (albeit less affected) groups demonized by the Third Reich. Right?

Your argument is dogshit. Youll interpret BLM to be, say, advocate however you will, i could really give a fuck. There are probably 50 million mouth breathers who take up the tag lines just as easily. Dime a dozen.


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