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Panaeolus/Panaeolopsis
    #23441050 - 07/14/16 02:25 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Found these growing in the lawn of a big government building in the middle of Philly.
They were all growing together.
Are panaeolopsis really a separate species? Or are they just mutated pan cints?

     
Sorry, the in situ shots were on my phone.


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Re: Panaeolus/Panaeolopsis [Re: foragedfungus]
    #23441096 - 07/14/16 02:41 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Don't know what the bell shaped ones are bust the rest are probably pan. Fo.


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Re: Panaeolus/Panaeolopsis [Re: quickfix]
    #23441151 - 07/14/16 03:12 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

The bell shaped ones are a Panaeolopsis sp. https://www.shroomery.org/12480/Panaeolopsis-sp

There were Panaeolus foenisecii growing in the same area.
The Panaeolus cinctulus pictured have darker gills (from black spores) and redder, more striated stems.
I should have grabbed some of the foes, for a side by side shot.


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Re: Panaeolus/Panaeolopsis [Re: quickfix]
    #23441182 - 07/14/16 03:30 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Don't know what the bell shaped ones are bust the rest are probably pan. Fo.






I don't see any Panaeolus foenisecii in the pictures.


Panaeolopsis is really a Panaeolus.  Whether they are the same as P. cinctulus is unknown.  I could check the DNA if you want to send me a collection of each.


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Re: Panaeolus/Panaeolopsis [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #23441250 - 07/14/16 04:04 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Way cooler than answering my question. Alan comes in and says "nobody knows, I'll help you figure it out."

Just tell me where to send them.
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Re: Panaeolus/Panaeolopsis [Re: foragedfungus]
    #24559020 - 08/16/17 07:53 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

I forget... What was the outcome of this test?? lol


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Re: Panaeolus/Panaeolopsis [Re: myceliups]
    #24559686 - 08/17/17 06:16 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

Hey Myceliups, good to see you on here.

Too many people send Alan too many mushrooms for sequencing. While he's too busy taking pretty pictures of mexican fungi.
Last I asked, he hadn't gotten to it.
He told me the chances of getting useful genetic info would be better with fresher specimens dried at lower temps. But I couldn't find any.


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Re: Panaeolus/Panaeolopsis [Re: foragedfungus]
    #24561051 - 08/17/17 05:41 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

It's good to be seen here lol. Maybe we can find another
sequencing source for cheap. We can grow it ourselves!!


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Re: Panaeolus/Panaeolopsis [Re: foragedfungus]
    #27865611 - 07/17/22 12:41 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

I just added a sequence for https://mushroomobserver.org/252185:

GGTGGGTTGTTGCTGTCCCTCTCGGGGGAATTGTGCACACCTTACCTTTTTTGTTTTTCCACCTGTGCACACACTGTAGGTCTGAAGGAGGGGAAGGGGGGGGAAgTAACACTCTCCCCCTGAAACACTTTCaGGTCCTATGTATTTTACACATACACTATTAAAAGTAACAGAACGATTCAATGGGCTTCCAAGCCTATAAACTATATACAACTTTCAGCAACGGATCTCTTGGCTCTCGCATCGATGAAgAACGCAGCGAAATGCGATAAGTAATGTGAATTGCAgAATTCAGTGAATCATCGAATCTTTGAACGCACCTTGCGCTCGTTGGTATTCCGACGAGCATGCCTGTTTGAGTGTCATTAAATTCTCAACCTCAACACTTTTGTGATTGATGGCTTGGATGTGGAGGTTTTTCTGCAGGCTGTTAAAGTCTGCTCCTCTCAAATGAATTaGtGGGtGCCCCGCGCAAACCTATCTATTGGTGTGATAATTATCTACGCCgtGgATTATAgGATTGCTGtAAAAAGGTGTTTGCCCTGCTTCTAACCGTCCnCTyTGTTGGGACAACTTGAACCATTTGACCTCAaATCaaGTAGGACTACCCGCTGAACTTAAgCATATCAATAAGCGGAGGAAAAgAAACTAACaAGGATTCCCCTAgtAACTGCGAGTGAAGCGGGAAAAGCTCAAATTTAAAATCTGGCAgTCTTTGATTGT

The Panaeolopsis, https://mushroomobserver.org/251982 matches 100%:

GGTGGGTTGTTGCTGTCCCTCTcGGGGGAaTTGTGCACACCTTACCTTTTTTGTTTTTCCACCTGTGCACACACTGTAGGTCTGAAGGAGGGGAAGGGGGGGGAAGTAACACTCTCCCCCTGAAACACTTTCAGGTCCTATGTATTTTACACATACACTATTAAAAGTAACAGAACGATTCAATGGGCTTCCAAGCCTATAAACTATATACAACTTTCAGCAACGGATCTCTTGGCTCTCGCATCGATGAAGAACGCAGCGAAATGCGATAAGTAATGTGAATTGCAGAATTCAGTGAATCATCGAATCTTTGAACGCACCTTGCGCTCGTTGGTATTCCGACGAGCATGCCTGTTTGAGTGTCATTAAATTCTCAACCTCAACACTTTTGTGATTGATGGCTTGGATGTGGAGGTTTTTcTGCAGGCTGTTAAAGTCTGCTCCTCTCAAATGAATTAGTGGGTGCCCCGCGCAAACCTATCTATTGGTGTGATAATTATCTACGCCGTGGATTATAgGatTGCTGTAAAAAGGTGTTTGCCCTGCTTCTAACCGTCCCCTTTGTTGgGACAACTTGAACCATTTGACCTCAAATCAGGTAGGACTACCCGCTGAACTTAAGCATATCAATAAGCGGAgGAAAAGAAACTAACAagGAtTCCCCTAGTAACTGCGAGTGAAGCGGGAAAAGCTCAAATTTaAAATCTGGCAGTCTTTGATTGTCCGAgTtGtAATCTAgAGaAgCATTATCCGCGCTGGAC

Sometimes the cap doesn't open up all the way, but it's still the same species.


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