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Invisiblemillzy
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soooo.... i've been offered a job. but it's pending a background check.
    #23440361 - 07/14/16 09:40 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

TL;DR incoming. read on if you wish.

i'm on the final stretch of my undergrad. i was laid off in may from a position that i was in for a little over four years. it wasn't great pay-wise, but i took away a lot of good experience to add to my prior work experience and formal education. as far as my resume goes, i look awesome on paper.

so i get my first bite on my resume from a business that is around the corner from me. the position seems like fairly easy work. it would be small raise for now, but there is a distinct possibility of moving into a much higher paying position that i'm told i would be perfect for within the next six months. they're also working with my class schedule. the environment is super casual. and as a group, they all seem like very nice people i'd fit in with. all in all, it seems like it would be a pretty good fit, at least for now.

this week i nailed two interviews with this business, and yesterday i was offered a job that i accepted. then they start processing me through HR. when i applied, i was asked if i had been convicted of any felonies in the past 7 years. i haven't, so i answered 'no' honestly. but i have nonviolent drug felonies from when i was a teen that are almost 20 years old.

i disclosed this information to HR just to make sure everything is on the up and up with my job offer. she tells me not to panic and that if the convictions show up she will speak with their parent company in california, which is apparently in san francisco. as it turns out, if i'm reading the paperwork correctly, the company i'm (hopefully) joining is within the jurisdiction of a san franscisco city ordinance that prohibits employers from using any criminal history older than 7 years in making hiring decisions.

i'm about 95% certain the job is in the bag for me. i have good references, good work history, and my convictions are older than some of their employees. i just hate feeling like i'm never going to overcome my past. yesterday, when i was down on myself, i felt like i wasn't a stakeholder in my own society. 

and as far as i'm concerned, that debt has been long paid. i took my lumps and grew into a productive member of society. i can't believe i'm entering middle age and having to worry about stuff i did as a teenager, especially over what might turn out to be a temporary source of income while i get through my last bit of university.

kids - stay the fuck out of the legal system so you don't ever have to worry about this bullshit.


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Re: soooo.... i've been offered a job. but it's pending a background check. [Re: millzy]
    #23440384 - 07/14/16 09:52 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Yes wow that must be fucked up and scary. Bit dont feel negative about it. If all goes to shit just become a drug boss again and make even more money!
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Re: soooo.... i've been offered a job. but it's pending a background check. [Re: millzy] * 1
    #23440393 - 07/14/16 09:55 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I hope you get the job. Hopefully, they'll overlook your youthful indiscretions.


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Re: soooo.... i've been offered a job. but it's pending a background check. [Re: millzy] * 1
    #23440407 - 07/14/16 10:01 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

20 years ago?

were you even an adult?

dude, at some point employers got to draw the line.. if you were a kid, l wouldnt sweat it.


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Re: soooo.... i've been offered a job. but it's pending a background check. [Re: rackem]
    #23440420 - 07/14/16 10:07 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

i'm 38; the convictions were from when i was 19.

there is some progress on the issue. the san francisco ordinance seems like a step in the right direction. there's also a national "ban the box" movement to keep criminal history from being a blanket disqualifier for applicants with old convictions. of course my wonderful state government has yet to become one of the states that participates in "ban the box", lol. but i do think the culture is changing with respect to the harms of over-criminalization, especially with nonviolent drug convictions.

we'll see i guess. thanks for the support guys. :heart:


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Re: soooo.... i've been offered a job. but it's pending a background check. [Re: millzy] * 1
    #23440433 - 07/14/16 10:12 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

in any case, you were open and honest. you did what you could.  if hr's hands are tied behind their back so be it. i would keep applying to jobs just in case. tough to say with a california based company is in charge. they do some wack ass shit.


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Re: soooo.... i've been offered a job. but it's pending a background check. [Re: millzy] * 1
    #23440439 - 07/14/16 10:14 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah, it truly sucks the way they treat ex-cons here in the US. They get out and are turned down even for the most menial job and have to turn back to crime to survive. And then they wonder why there's so much recidivism in our jails and prisons.


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Re: soooo.... i've been offered a job. but it's pending a background check. [Re: Le_Canard]
    #23440469 - 07/14/16 10:24 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

i just don't see how it benefits anyone to have things this way. i realize that some people shouldn't be trusted in some positions. but it should all be case-by-case. and it doesn't stop with jobs. there are some property companies that i will never be eligible to lease through unless they change the laws. locking people out of society en masse forever seems to only worsen what is already a terrible humanitarian crisis happening on american soil for decades now.


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Re: soooo.... i've been offered a job. but it's pending a background check. [Re: millzy] * 1
    #23440492 - 07/14/16 10:32 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Our "justice" system is broken in the worst ways.... :frown:


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Re: soooo.... i've been offered a job. but it's pending a background check. [Re: millzy] * 1
    #23440498 - 07/14/16 10:34 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

when i was a hiring manager, i used to love hiring ex cons.. they always did a damned fine job.

but i wasnt bound to corporate bullshit.  and i dont think its fair to anybody to have to deal with an hr corporation that is bound to different state laws and have them applied.. that is some bullshit.


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Re: soooo.... i've been offered a job. but it's pending a background check. [Re: millzy] * 3
    #23440533 - 07/14/16 10:47 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I'm pullin for ya, Millzy! I'm really not liking the way the job market is going in terms of invasive involvement in employees and potential employees lives, I understand that it makes sense for the company, but this culture of pre-employment driving record checks, credit checks, etc etc etc...it just doesn't sit well with me. I spoke with a recruiter recently who had been in the biz for a while, and told me how terrible things had gotten for job seekers in the last 10-20 years. This combined with massive amounts of student debt, wages that haven't kept up with inflation(http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/10/09/for-most-workers-real-wages-have-barely-budged-for-decades/)...it's all a big ol pile of shit.


On another note our legal system is also disgusting, and it makes me sick to think about it really - whole thing is set up to keep people tied into it as long as possible, bleed them dry with fines and draconian sentences and rules - if you have means you can usually get out of the cycle faster, but man, poor people just end up completely fucked.

Then when you're done and you've paid your debt to society you still have to live with it over your head, trying to find a job, a place to live, not being able to vote. There are some people who do terrible things who deserve this, but goddamn, the amount of lives ruined by the war on drugs and how little it makes sense in the ways of improving society is mind boggling - of course, if you follow the money, it all makes complete sense.


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Re: soooo.... i've been offered a job. but it's pending a background check. [Re: millzy]
    #23440666 - 07/14/16 11:47 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

The war on drugs is this silly. It's immature. This is what our people are subject to by our Government. Silliness. Immaturity.

I wish I could pry the power of drug control right out of their hands. :hellfire:


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Re: soooo.... i've been offered a job. but it's pending a background check. [Re: Dr.Wongburger] * 2
    #23440672 - 07/14/16 11:51 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Fear not. The tide is slowly turning. Why, no less than 8 states will be voting on Marijuana legalization next November. :flyhigh:


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Re: soooo.... i've been offered a job. but it's pending a background check. [Re: Le_Canard]
    #23440679 - 07/14/16 11:55 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

how many of those 8 states will actually come through?

i know some states have been trying for a decade.


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Re: soooo.... i've been offered a job. but it's pending a background check. [Re: rackem] * 1
    #23440699 - 07/14/16 12:09 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I wish I had a crystal ball I could gaze into and tell you the future, but I don't, so I dunno. As one of the older people around here, I recall a time when these sorts of things weren't even considered in polite company, let alone being on a ballot.


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Re: soooo.... i've been offered a job. but it's pending a background check. [Re: Le_Canard]
    #23440710 - 07/14/16 12:13 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

i guess that came across wrong. i kinda think that maybe 2 or 3 max will pass it, but 8 on the ballot is progress regardless.


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Re: soooo.... i've been offered a job. but it's pending a background check. [Re: rackem]
    #23440722 - 07/14/16 12:20 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Indeed it is. Two steps forward, one step back on occasion.


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Re: soooo.... i've been offered a job. but it's pending a background check. [Re: pirate-blues]
    #23441022 - 07/14/16 02:16 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

pirate-blues said:
if you follow the money, it all makes complete sense.




It really doesn't though, fucking over your entire society to make a quick buck, make very little sense.
Everyone's quality of life goes down, bottom to top.


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Re: soooo.... i've been offered a job. but it's pending a background check. [Re: Repertoire89]
    #23441243 - 07/14/16 04:01 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Tell that to the Wall St. Weasels stealing this country blind.


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Re: soooo.... i've been offered a job. but it's pending a background check. [Re: Le_Canard]
    #23441253 - 07/14/16 04:06 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Le_Canard said:
Tell that to the Wall St. Weasels stealing this country blind.




It wouldn't do much good if they're too dumb to figure it out themselves.

Burning the forest down around you to make a quick buck, it should be self-explanatory.


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Re: soooo.... i've been offered a job. but it's pending a background check. [Re: Repertoire89]
    #23441397 - 07/14/16 05:08 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

oh, they really are too dumb to figure it out for themselves. you'd have to be a dullard to be fooled by the belief systems that fuel this sort of behavior. it's all packaged up in language about 'liberty' and 'freedom', but in the end, it's just thinly veiled greed. greed is the root of all human suffering, and the antithesis of all human societies.


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Re: soooo.... i've been offered a job. but it's pending a background check. [Re: millzy]
    #23441471 - 07/14/16 05:46 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

What a fucking world we live in


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Re: soooo.... i've been offered a job. but it's pending a background check. [Re: Rainman13]
    #23441493 - 07/14/16 05:53 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Just wait until toupee takes the reins. Then we'll really be headed to hell in a hand basket.


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Re: soooo.... i've been offered a job. but it's pending a background check. [Re: Dark_Star]
    #23441495 - 07/14/16 05:54 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

"Bob" help us all if that happens.....


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Re: soooo.... i've been offered a job. but it's pending a background check. [Re: Le_Canard]
    #23441501 - 07/14/16 05:56 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I'm starting to really think it is gonna happen. :facepalm:


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Re: soooo.... i've been offered a job. but it's pending a background check. [Re: Dark_Star]
    #23441513 - 07/14/16 06:00 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

toupee? Government is gona pee on us? havent they been peein on us for ages? They are takin the piss!


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Re: soooo.... i've been offered a job. but it's pending a background check. [Re: Dark_Star]
    #23441514 - 07/14/16 06:01 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

It ain't over till the fat lady sings you know. This Mike Pence character is going to endear teh Donald to many Teapublicans, but no doubt will alienate him to just as many more.


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    #23456554 - 07/19/16 03:20 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

i just heard back.
























































got the job! i start monday.

:awebig:


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    #23456573 - 07/19/16 03:28 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

:hi5:


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Re: soooo.... i've been offered a job. but it's pending a background check. [Re: millzy] * 1
    #23456599 - 07/19/16 03:41 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Congratulations..
Good luck I'm sure you'll be great!


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Re: soooo.... i've been offered a job. but it's pending a background check. [Re: millzy] * 1
    #23456719 - 07/19/16 04:24 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Congratulations OP!

I just read your first post; you're very articulate, I see why you nailed the interviews. I'm glad they weren't petty about your past; it's always nice to witness reason prevail.

:cheers:


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    #23459409 - 07/20/16 11:54 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

:highfive:


Congratulations, you deserve it.


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Re: soooo.... i've been offered a job. but it's pending a background check. [Re: pirate-blues]
    #23459663 - 07/20/16 01:23 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

thanks for the support everyone. :heart:


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Re: soooo.... i've been offered a job. but it's pending a background check. [Re: millzy] * 1
    #23459707 - 07/20/16 01:43 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

millzy said:

got the job! i start monday.

:awebig:




Congrats there mate. Now Is there not a way of having your record expunged, I believe there is in some states anyway. You sound like you'd be a good candidate so I'd look into it if I were you.


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Re: soooo.... i've been offered a job. but it's pending a background check. [Re: millzy] * 1
    #23459772 - 07/20/16 02:13 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Hell yeah Millz.  good work man, stoked for you
:congrats:


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Re: soooo.... i've been offered a job. but it's pending a background check. [Re: Still_tripping]
    #23459773 - 07/20/16 02:14 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

i intend on consulting an employment attorney as soon as i can afford it. i'm about to hit the 20 year mark on my convictions. i am under the impression that 20 years is a big mark for a lot of licensure stuff in my state, so there might be some options. i would rather not have to worry about this shit forever.

and from what i'm reading now, a lot of companies are moving towards not considering anything older than 7 years. the company that hired me is within the jurisdiction of a san francisco city ordinance that prohibits anything older than 7 years being used in hiring decisions. i'm not sure if my stuff even showed up. we didn't go into detail about the background check yesterday, just that i was all set to start training on monday. they may have not even gone back 7 years; it was handled by a third-party company, so who knows.


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